[Mjxhnapi]

yeah, the haba'ib are shafi'is . . . i'm not from the haba'ib, nor do I reside in hadramawt

I notice you're a shafi'i too, ya tripoly! How did you go about learning your madh-hab, or did you inherit it from your parents?

was-salam

[IdomeoreTew]

yeah, the haba'ib are shafi'is . . . i'm not from the haba'ib, nor do I reside in hadramawt

I notice you're a shafi'i too, ya tripoly! How did you go about learning your madh-hab, or did you inherit it from your parents?

was-salam

Salam Aleykum,

Well normally when I decided to take religion more seriously me and my brother we decided to go and buy a book of Fiqh, the obvious choice was Hanafi since Tripoli is full of Hanafis, we went to a famous library in the souq and the owner was a pretty knowledgeable Salafi Sheikh, sadly the book was sold out and the man recommended the Shafi'i book instead, I remember we asked if we could get both later but he advised to stick to one madhab only otherwise we'll end up confused... so yea hehe that's about it and that's like ten years ago, I couldn't understand the eloquent Arabic in the books at the time since my Arabic was pretty bad so my bro read them and I made Taqleed of him

I pray according to the Shafi'i but I don't follow it 100% all the time, I don't know about the others but Shafi'i does follow the Hadiths pretty closely however sometimes I take Fatwas from Salafi/Hanbali scholars whom I deem very trustworthy and knowledgeable and I do compare opinions at times... Shafi'i with Salafi tendencies or whatever you wanna call it

[Aw1HhC0m]

1- Madhab 'Abdullah Ibn Mas'oud d.32
2- Madhab Umm al-Mumineen 'Aisha d.57
3- Madhab 'Abdullah Ibn 'Umar ibn al-Khattab d.73
4- Madhab 'Umar bin 'Abdul-'Aziz bin Marwan bin al-Hakam d.101

I doubt this can considered as madhabs as we undertood the madhab which we have now. like having different usool and so on.
Just having some bunch of opinion, doesnt turn that whole as madhab.

[IdomeoreTew]

I doubt this can considered as madhabs as we undertood the madhab which we have now. like having different usool and so on.
Just having some bunch of opinion, doesnt turn that whole as madhab.

al-Salamu Aleykum,

This is the opinion of the scholar 'Abdul-Wahhab ibn Ahmad al-Sha'arani "عبد الوهاب بن أحمد الشعراني" (who died in 973 A.H) in his book "al-Meezan al-Sha'araniyah al-Mudkhilah li-Jami'i Aqwal al-Aimmah al-Moujtahidin wa Muqallideehim fi al-Sharia'ah al-Muhammadiyah" or " الميزان الشعرانية المدخلة لجميع أقوال الأئمة المجتهدين ومقلّديهم في الشريعة المحمديّة"

He states these madhabs on page 78 but without the Madhab of al-Ouza'ee (rah) or Ja'afar (rah) these were added by me, in this drawing he says that ALL madhabs are like the veins of the eye, they all point towards the centre of the eye because they all come from the same main source (The Sunnah)



And this old manuscript can be downloaded from here:
http://wadod.com/manuscripts/00/0088.rar

[IdomeoreTew]

Salam Aleykum,

The Dhahiri Ibn Hazm does not believe in Qiyas and he criticizes the scholars of other madhabs harshly although he was attacked a lot as well so definitely not something for beginners to read... Other Dhahiris exist such as Imam al-Shawkani and al-San'ani and al-Sayyed Sadiq Hassan khan al-Husseini from Qanuj and sheikh al-Albani...

[hojutok]

whats that pyramid with the (dare i say it??) all seeing eye on top of it

where is pawlak when you need him

[IdomeoreTew]

whats that pyramid with the (dare i say it??) all seeing eye on top of it

"The Eye of Shari'ah"

: )

where is pawlak when you need him lol yea that's one of our free-mason scholars.

[Z1IRo4Ap]

I doubt this can considered as madhabs as we undertood the madhab which we have now. like having different usool and so on.
Just having some bunch of opinion, doesnt turn that whole as madhab.

What?

[Kamendoriks]

Salam Aleykum,

sometimes I take Fatwas from Salafi/Hanbali scholars whom I deem very trustworthy and knowledgeable

Are Salafi and Hanbali the same. I thought Hanbalis were followers of the Madhab of Imam Ahmed (ra) and Salafi/Wahhabi were a comparatively recent sect that sprouted, with some things in common with the Hanbalis. Or are they the same? I don't know, Can you shed some light on this.

[23InetrySypekek]

Are Salafi and Hanbali the same. I thought Hanbalis were followers of the Madhab of Imam Ahmed (ra) and Salafi/Wahhabi were a comparatively recent sect that sprouted, with some things in common with the Hanbalis. Or are they the same? I don't know, Can you shed some light on this.

wa alaikum salam,

No, Salafis and Hanbalis are not the same. *Some wahhabis follow the Hanbali school in matters of usul and furu' whilst salafi do not make taqlid of an imam in these affairs. Salafis and Wahhabis share the same 'aqidah and due to the fact that *some hanbalis held similar aqidah views, salafis are sometimes mistaken for hanbalis. So if someone says salafi/hanbali, they probably mean wahhabi and Allah knows best. Furthermore, it seems that the wahhabi hanbalis follow most of Ibn Taymiyyah's "ikhtiyarat" views and do not stick to the mufta bihi....

[wbeachcomber]

Salam Aleykum,

The Dhahiri Ibn Hazm does not believe in Qiyas and he criticizes the scholars of other madhabs harshly although he was attacked a lot as well so definitely not something for beginners to read... Other Dhahiris exist such as Imam al-Shawkani and al-San'ani and al-Sayyed Sadiq Hassan khan al-Husseini from Qanuj and sheikh al-Albani...

I don't think Qaadhi Shawkani was a Dhahiri.

As for Albani , I've heard rumors that either him or some of his students (i.e. Jamiah Salafiyyah wal-Muhasaba) did take some extremely literalist positions, such as believing that the fast could be broken in a dark room.

[xyupi]

I don't think Qaadhi Shawkani was a Dhahiri.

As for Albani , I've heard rumors that either him or some of his students (i.e. Jamiah Salafiyyah wal-Muhasaba) did take some extremely literalist positions, such as believing that the fast could be broken in a dark room.

Imam Shaukani considered himself a Mujtahid.
Albani was not a Dhahiri, but a Salafi.

[Z1IRo4Ap]

wa alaikum salam,

No, Salafis and Hanbalis are not the same. *Some wahhabis follow the Hanbali school in matters of usul and furu' whilst salafi do not make taqlid of an imam in these affairs. Salafis and Wahhabis share the same 'aqidah and due to the fact that *some hanbalis held similar aqidah views, salafis are sometimes mistaken for hanbalis. So if someone says salafi/hanbali, they probably mean wahhabi and Allah knows best. Furthermore, it seems that the wahhabi hanbalis follow most of Ibn Taymiyyah's "ikhtiyarat" views and do not stick to the mufta bihi....

Following the usool of Imam Ahmad technically makes them hanbalis.... Because of the format of the madhab and it's usool. Most if not ALL of the Hanabilah have had iktiyaraat and didn't stick to the "mufta bihi" because of the fact that the Hanabilah scholars were more willing to do ijtihaad and follow what they thought was correct. There are Raajih opinions, however sometimes even the Shaykayn of the Madhab go against the Raajih for what the deem more correct. So in actuality following what he the Mujtahid deems more correct even if going against the "Madhab opinion" is closer to the Madhab, because of the Usool of the Madhab.

[23InetrySypekek]

Following the usool of Imam Ahmad technically makes them hanbalis.... Because of the format of the madhab and it's usool. Most if not ALL of the Hanabilah have had iktiyaraat and didn't stick to the "mufta bihi" because of the fact that the Hanabilah scholars were more willing to do ijtihaad and follow what they thought was correct. There are Raajih opinions, however sometimes even the Shaykayn of the Madhab go against the Raajih for what the deem more correct. So in actuality following what he the Mujtahid deems more correct even if going against the "Madhab opinion" is closer to the Madhab, because of the Usool of the Madhab.

Wahhabis with Hanbali leanings obviously follow the madhhab's usul, I believe Ibn Qudamah's Rawdhat al-Nadhir and Ibn Najjar's Tahrir are normally studied in the Arabian Peninsula. However, the same cannot be said for the salafis, I think that the reason for many of their fiqhi blunders is lack of usul.

[Z1IRo4Ap]

Wahhabis with Hanbali leanings obviously follow the madhhab's usul, I believe Ibn Qudamah's Rawdhat al-Nadhir and Ibn Najjar's Tahrir are normally studied in the Arabian Peninsula. However, the same cannot be said for the salafis, I think that the reason for many of their fiqhi blunders is lack of usul.

Wahhabis mostly are hanbalis, and salafi in aqeedah..

Hanbalis are mostly wahhabi and salafi in aqeedah.

Some Salafis are not at all wahhabi/hanbali in fiqh.

So we can conclude that Salafi can be Aqeedah or fiqh which can sometimes be Ahl Hadeeth, Albani, Dhaahiri, Madhabi, Hanbali can be Aqeedah or fiqh Hanbali, and Wahhabi can usually be Aqeedah and fiqh Hanbali and maybe other then that..

In the context of the wahhabi hanbalis who follow ibn taymiyah (saudi) , they are hanbali because of my previous post regardless of whose iktiyaraat they do within the madhab.

[23InetrySypekek]

Wahhabis mostly are hanbalis, and salafi in aqeedah..

Hanbalis are mostly wahhabi and salafi in aqeedah.

Some Salafis are not at all wahhabi/hanbali in fiqh.

So we can conclude that Salafi can be Aqeedah or fiqh which can sometimes be Ahl Hadeeth, Albani, Dhaahiri, Madhabi, Hanbali can be Aqeedah or fiqh Hanbali, and Wahhabi can usually be Aqeedah and fiqh Hanbali and maybe other then that..

In the context of the wahhabi hanbalis who follow ibn taymiyah (saudi) , they are hanbali because of my previous post regardless of whose iktiyaraat they do within the madhab.

In regards to lost madhhabs, I think some credit must be given to the Saudi ulama for their enormous contribution to Hanbali literature. If it was not for the Saudi ulama much of the hanbali legacy would have been lost.

I believe it was the king of Qatar who ordered a certain amount of Hanbali works to be edited and published.

[Z1IRo4Ap]

In regards to lost madhhabs, I think some credit must be given to the Saudi ulama for their enormous contribution to Hanbali literature. If it was not for the Saudi ulama much of the hanbali legacy would have been lost.

I believe it was the king of Qatar who ordered a certain amount of Hanbali works to be edited and published.

Yeah it's true, A lot of people may not agree with them. But many of the hanbali books are being taught on a daily basis in many Masajid In Saudi.

[Z1IRo4Ap]

It is obvious that Hambaley school was mainly dominant in parts of hijaj. As such it is only understanble why the work of Imam Ahmed bin Hamble is taught.
However i wonder the idea of editing classical works has to be questioned specially if it is under the directive of the ruler and by selected monolitich group of scholars

I wonder if the Kuffar Pakistani, or Mushrik Hindu rulers control the teachings of the Hanafi school in Pakistan and India.

and the answer to your question is no they aren't..... if anything books related to ruling besides other than that which was sent by Allah- type books would be edited, however since those books include the words of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, it would be hard for them to do so.

[IdomeoreTew]

Are Salafi and Hanbali the same. I thought Hanbalis were followers of the Madhab of Imam Ahmed (ra) and Salafi/Wahhabi were a comparatively recent sect that sprouted, with some things in common with the Hanbalis. Or are they the same? I don't know, Can you shed some light on this.

Salam Aleykum,

Most Salafis start out as Hanbali and many Hanbalis are influenced by Salafis but I've read more than one quote by Ibn Hanbal and he himself was not a big fan of Taqleed.

As for Ahlul-Hadith "Salafis" they are not new they've been there since 200 or 300 A.H or maybe even before that. What is new are the Salafi parties such as "Al-Hizb al-Salafi" in Lebanon.

[IdomeoreTew]

Imam Shaukani considered himself a Mujtahid.
Albani was not a Dhahiri, but a Salafi.

Ya akhi what is meant by "Dhahiri" was not the Madhab, so do not imagine that al-Albani was making Taqleed of Ibn Hazm but they both took the Dhahiri approach.