[Clielldub]

Palestinian factions denounce murder of Italian activist
http://uruknet.info/?p=m76861&hd=&size=1&l=e

April 15, 2011

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Palestinian factions have condemned the murder of Italian peace activist Vittorio Arrigoni found dead in Gaza early Friday morning.

Salafist extremists in Gaza were suspected of kidnapping Arrigoni, an activist for the International Solidarity Movement, last seen alive in a video posted online Thursday.

In the video, the kidnappers threatened to kill Arrigoni unless Hamas released Salafist prisoners by Friday evening. Before the deadline passed, however, Hamas said his body was found hanged in a home northwest of Gaza City.

The government in Gaza said the "heinous crime" did not reflect Palestinians' values, religion, customs or traditions. In a statement, the government said it would bring the perpetrators to justice.

The government extended its condolences to Arrigoni's family and urged all Palestinians in Gaza to attend his funeral procession as a message that Palestinians rejected the murder of the peace activist who was known to all residents as a supporter of the Palestinian cause.

Hamas denounced the activist's murder, which it said was carried out by a "mentally deviated and outlawed group."

Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said the killing was "a disgraceful act." He praised Arrigoni's role and the work of all peace activists "in conveying the suffering and concerns of all Palestinians, in particular those in Gaza."

Barhoum added: "We extend our condolences to Vittori’s family and people."

The spokesman said the group responsible for the killing aimed to undermine the stability of the besieged coastal enclave, to defame the reputation of Palestinians and to isolate Gaza from international solidarity.

Fatah said the murder was a terrorist crime and an act of betrayal that only served Palestinians' enemies.

The killing went against Palestinians' reputation as a civilized people who worked hard to gain freedom and build a democratic, enlightened society, Fatah spokesman Ahmad Assaf said.

"This kind of crime is alien to the Palestinians," he said, adding that respect for human dignity was at the core of Palestinian people's moral values.

Islamic Jihad also denounced the "grotesque crime." The movement said the perpetrators served the Israeli occupation which was inciting against the solidarity movement with the Palestinian cause.

The party called on the Gaza government and its security forces to harshly punish Arrigoni's killers.

The Palestinian People's Party said Arrigoni's murder was "a moral and national crime," and called for the perpetrators to be severely punished.

"Vittori left his family and homeland behind to live with the Palestinians despite attacks and siege to convey the suffering of the Palestinians to the whole world in his writing," PPP said in a statement.

The Popular Resistance Committees condemned the murder as "a cowardly act."

Secretary General of the Palestinian National Initiative Mustafa Barghouthi expressed his deep sorrow at the "shocking criminal act" which he said only served the interests of the enemies of the Palestinian people.

Barghouthi offered his condolences and sympathy to Arrigoni's family, adding that the murder was "totally incompatible with Palestinian and human values."

Meanwhile, a Salafi group in Gaza At-Tawheed wa Al-Jihad denied involvement in Arrigoni's abduction and murder in a statement but said the killing was "a natural outcome of the policy of the government carried out against the Salafi."

[Clielldub]

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[alexosnasos2]

what is this about hamas and the salafis? can someone explain please. why are hamas imprisoning the salafi group?

[pXss8cyx]

One of the dumbest extremist groups of all times.

[Clielldub]

what is this about hamas and the salafis? can someone explain please. why are hamas imprisoning the salafi group?

hamas are pawns of iran, hezbollah and shia. and everybody knows shia hate wahhabis, so thats where alot of the problem arises. but mostly its the fact that Hamas doesnt allow palestinian mujahideen groups from firing rockets or attacking israel. and those who try to do so, get imprisoned by Hamas. so thats how alot of imprisonmenets have happened.

but in THIS case, what this incident is about. salafis have brutally murdered an Italian who was a friend of palestine, not an enemy. and nowadays, salafi groups are becoming more and more fascist, so they target innocent christians even if they have no connection to crusader-west. thats why we have been seing salafis attacking/killing christians in egypt, doing the same thing in iraq, and now they are killing pro-palestinian peace activists in palestine.

[pXss8cyx]

hamas are pawns of iran, hezbollah and shia. and everybody knows shia hate wahhabis, so thats where alot of the problem arises. but mostly its the fact that Hamas doesnt allow palestinian mujahideen groups from firing rockets or attacking israel. and those who try to do so, get imprisoned by Hamas. so thats how alot of imprisonmenets have happened.

but in THIS case, what this incident is about. salafis have brutally murdered an Italian who was a friend of palestine, not an enemy. and nowadays, salafi groups are becoming more and more fascist, so they target innocent christians even if they have no connection to crusader-west. thats why we have been seing salafis attacking/killing christians in egypt, doing the same thing in iraq, and now they are killing pro-palestinian peace activists in palestine.

I disagree with the "Pawns of Iran" part.

[Clielldub]

I disagree with the "Pawns of Iran" part.

why is that, brother? they receive training from hezbollah, funding from iran. kill the enemies of iran, including salafis. and do you know who Muqtada al-sadr is? he is the leader of the Jaish al-mahdi in iraq. whose militias has killed THOUSANDS of sunnis in iraq. No iraqi-sunni can stand him. but there are picture of Hamas leader Khaled mishaal sitting right beside that murderer, attending somne sort of meeting with other iranian leaders in Qom. everyone who follows jihad, considers them pawns of iran. except people who dont know the reality, meaning people who are not part of jihadi forums and only get their news from mainstream media. only they think hamas are heroes, just like they think iran are heroes. there are several footage of hamas clashing and executing salafis in gaza.

[pXss8cyx]

why is that, brother? they receive training from hezbollah, funding from iran. kill the enemies of iran, including salafis. and do you know who Muqtada al-sadr is? he is the leader of the Jaish al-mahdi in iraq. whose militias has killed THOUSANDS of sunnis in iraq. No iraqi-sunni can stand him. but there are picture of Hamas leader Khaled mishaal sitting right beside that murderer, attending somne sort of meeting with other iranian leaders in Qom. everyone who follows jihad, considers them pawns of iran. except people who dont know the reality, meaning people who are not part of jihadi forums and only get their news from mainstream media. only they think hamas are heroes, just like they think iran are heroes. there are several footage of hamas clashing and executing salafis in gaza.

Well my dear friend let me tell you, my relative Dr.Azzam Salhab al-Tamimi is a member of Parliament in the Hamas government and although he spends most of his time in jail just because he fights against the Israelis he wouldn't want to hear people calling him a "Pawn of Iran" I am sure it would hurt his feeling, so let's not hurt anybody's feelings here.

Secondly I have my connections in the Gaza strip and a big part of my family is there, I Assure you that Hamas are one of the biggest Anti-Shia groups of all times, their members wrote books about it and some of them got assassinated by Shia as a result.

When I ask my friends from Hamas about Hezbullah they say: "If a Dog wants to help you, why say no?"

As far as aqeedah goes Hamas is anti-Shia, as far as politics goes Hamas is FORCED into this god forsaken position because guess what, nobody will support them except Iran... Fatah is anti-resistance, Egypt is anti-resistance, Saudi is anti-resistance BIG TIME, UAE is anti-resistance, Syria just talks but at least they allow Hamas members to base themselves in their country and so on...

The only ones helping Hamas politically are Iran and Hezbullah, this is why Hamas keep good political relations with them, they'd be idiots if they didn't honestly, in Islam the priority is that you side with the deviant against the Kaffir, as for that dumb moron called Muqtada al-Sadr I doubt Hamas has any relations at all with his bunch.

As for those Shady unknown mysterious extremist Salafi groups, firstly there is a good chance these guys are created with the clear intention of ruining the image of Hamas and Palestine as a whole and to make things harder for Hamas, secondly Hamas rules the Gaza strip this small group needs to give them baya'ah and shut their mouths, because there are things called "Plans" and there is something called a "Strategy" you don't just jump out of nowhere and fire a few rockets only to get Israeli retaliation and the complete destruction of the Gaza strip, that causes more harm than good...so these brainwashed amateurs who were born yesterday should just stand aside. I'd also like to add that Hamas has loads of Salafi members.

That's the kind of extremist group we're dealing with in case anybody is wondering:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...1234311581.jpg

Allah knows best, keep it real,

[pXss8cyx]

Also some people make it sound like Hamas is protecting Israel, let's quote some recent articles.

Article published on the 26.03.2011:
Hamas and other Gaza militants oppose peace with Israel and have rained rockets and mortar fire down over the past week on Israeli communities across the border. No one has been killed, but the Israel Defense Forces have announced that it would be deploying the Iron Dome missile defense system in the coming days.
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Two more rockets were fired Friday, once of which damaged an Israeli home in southern Israel in the West Negev, and the other fell in an open field. No one was hurt.
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Violence escalated significantly last Saturday, when Gaza militants fired more than 50 mortar shells into southern Israel. Hamas has taken responsibility for only some of the shelling. Link:http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...sEnabled=false

This article Published April 9, 2011:
Hamas fires 24 Grads, 50 shells Saturday. A million Israelis still in shelters Link:http://jdlcanada.wordpress.com/2011/...l-in-shelters/

As you can see their leaders are still being assassinated, for example this article Published 09:17 30.07.2010:
Hamas on Saturday vowed revenge after one of its senior commanders was killed in Israeli air strikes on Hamas-linked targets in the Gaza Strip on Friday night. Link:http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...trike-1.304966

[Clielldub]

one of the main reasons why govts stopped supporting Hamas is because of their alliance with shia and iran.

its better to struggle for Jihad, then take the money from munafiq Iran/Hezbollah and be their lackeys (or atleast thats what it seems to others, that they are lackeys). no offence to you.

we do not see taliban, TTP and other sunni groups running to iran or shia. instead, they fight honorably (and fight against shia). and Allah says he will always give us a way, so we need HIM not money/support from His own enemies.

brother, just because you have some relatives (and im sure they are anti-shia). doesnt justify what the rest (the main) organizationtion is doing, that includes killing sunnis or salafis.

there are many people who donate to sunni mujahideen groups, hamas will not get that because they are affiliating with iran/hezbollah. and inturn preventing OTHER mujahideen from fighting either the shia or the israelis.

just like in shia iran, sex-changes are legal in hamas-led gaza. http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&h...470f6d7470bb69 there is no proper sharia in gaza.

and Hamas has publicly said that the chechen issue is an "internal" matter, and instead supports russia while muslims are killed at their hands. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&ei...470f6d7470bb69 and they consider taliban as terrorists.

[pXss8cyx]

O dear Lord help him,

[Clielldub]

Also some people make it sound like Hamas is protecting Israel, let's quote some recent articles.

Article published on the 26.03.2011:

Link:http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...sEnabled=false

This article Published April 9, 2011:

Link:http://jdlcanada.wordpress.com/2011/...l-in-shelters/

As you can see their leaders are still being assassinated, for example this article Published 09:17 30.07.2010:

Link:http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...trike-1.304966

hamas fires a few hand-full of rockets (filled with sand, many say). while they prevent every other group from doing so. hamas does it just for propaganda, to make people think they are fighting. but they prevent other groups because of their own intent to maintain sole-power in gaza, and not let others fight for their freedom. because if jihad breaks out hamas will lose their power. they say that, gaza is a huge israeli prison and hamas is the prison warden.


here are several reports of Hamas arresting mujahideen for firing or planning to fire rockets on israel-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8601171.stm
http://www.theworld.org/2011/01/hama...ire-at-israel/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/view...-hamas-rockets
http://www.haaretz.com/news/hamas-ar...negev-1.249442
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...0127_02_17.asp
http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-h...-israel-1.6597
http://www.middle-east-online.com/ENGLISH/?id=38410
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/...idUSL103182282
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...566746,00.html
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English...3.0.3085263040

[Clielldub]

O dear Lord help him,

you need help, my friend.

sex changes are punishable by death. anyone who regulates or permits this should be executed. sodomy is still haram as far as i know.

and chechens and afghanis have a right to fight for their own freedom just as palestinians do for their own. hamas are hypocrites for calling them "terrorists".

[pXss8cyx]

you need help, my friend.

sex changes are punishable by death. anyone who regulates or permits this should be executed. sodomy is still haram as far as i know.

and chechens and afghanis have a right to fight for their own freedom just as palestinians do for their own. hamas are hypocrites for calling them "terrorists".

I think you need help because you can't think straight whenever Shia are involved but i don't care honestly, you can keep thinking about how Hamas is making money for Iran..yea

[pXss8cyx]

"Tired of playing second fiddle to men in Saudi Arabia, five women decided that if you can't beat them, join them."

An interior ministry official told Al Watan such cases are examined by religious authorities, and sometimes by psychologists, but those who undergo sex change operations are never arrested. http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-...ation-1.231584

Oooooh Saudi is worshipping khomeini.

[Clielldub]

I think you need help because you can't think straight whenever Shia are involved but i don't care honestly, you can keep thinking about how Hamas is making money for Iran..yea

now you have really lost it, brother...... i have never said any such thing.

yes, i do believe. to each our own. i oppose hamas for killing salafis and selling-out to shias. and i oppose salafis for killing innocent christians or extremism. i want the middlepath that the Prophet prescribed. i am not a perfectionist. i am not one of those people who only want the most PERFECT, and considers everything else as worthless. no, i dont mind some nationalism, i dont mind some deviancy. as LONG as it doesnt hurt others, and doesnt prevent others who ARE on the proper path. As long as hamas isnt killing muslims, or salafis arent killing muslims/innocents. and as long as they arent affiliating with anyone else who kills muslims. im fine with anyone. hezbollah/iran kills muslims, and from them hamas has killed muslims. so i oppose them. that is all, nothing against you.

"Tired of playing second fiddle to men in Saudi Arabia, five women decided that if you can't beat them, join them."


http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-...ation-1.231584

Oooooh Saudi is worshipping khomeini.

there are also orgies going on in palaces. and one of the princes unintentionally killed his gay-lover servant a few months ago while on vacation abroad.

you dont see me saying that saudi is what Hamas SHOULD be. they are both deviants. but atleast one allies with kaffir who are Ahlul-kitab, and the other with munafiq whom we are forbidden to associate with.


EDIT: brother, in matters of religion and scholarship. i will take your word above my own. and thats the truth. but in terms of politics and jihad, i will never do that. because i am more experienced in this field, i run jihadi-forums myself, and i know people who are themselves mujahideen. and so everyone whom i oppose is for legitemate reasons, and everyone whom i support is for legitemate reasons. and thats also why i oppose many fellow-jihadis because of their extremism which is against islam. and hamas has the blood of many muslims on their hands.

[pXss8cyx]

now you have really lost it, brother...... i have never said any such thing.

yes, i do believe. to each our own. i oppose hamas for killing salafis and selling-out to shias. and i oppose salafis for killing innocent christians or extremism. i want the middlepath that the Prophet prescribed. i am not a perfectionist. i am not one of those people who only want the most PERFECT, and considers everything else as worthless. no, i dont mind some nationalism, i dont mind some deviancy. as LONG as it doesnt hurt others, and doesnt prevent others who ARE on the proper path. As long as hamas isnt killing muslims, or salafis arent killing muslims/innocents. and as long as they arent affiliating with anyone else who kills muslims. im fine with anyone. hezbollah/iran kills muslims, and from them hamas has killed muslims. so i oppose them. that is all, nothing against you.

I know two Salafis in Hamas and know that there are plenty of them in Hamas itself so solve this one for me.

Also what you said about the Arab governments not supporting the Resistance against Israel because Hamas are Iranian pawns, that is truly ridiculous, I am at a loss for words here... And here I thought it was common knowledge that Hamas turned to Iran because nobody was backing them (And they made that clear in many of their Tv interviews.)

[pXss8cyx]

there are also orgies going on in palaces. and one of the princes unintentionally killed his gay-lover servant a few months ago while on vacation abroad.

you dont see me saying that saudi is what Hamas SHOULD be. they are both deviants. but atleast one allies with kaffir who are Ahlul-kitab, and the other with munafiq whom we are forbidden to associate with.

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Aha so both are deviants, meaning that the sexchange operations are no proof that one is a worshipper of Khomeini. So why'd you use that as an argument?

[pXss8cyx]

EDIT: brother, in matters of religion and scholarship. i will take your word above my own. and thats the truth. but in terms of politics and jihad, i will never do that. because i am more experienced in this field, i run jihadi-forums myself, and i know people who are themselves mujahideen. and so everyone whom i oppose is for legitemate reasons, and everyone whom i support is for legitemate reasons. and thats also why i oppose many fellow-jihadis because of their extremism which is against islam. and hamas has the blood of many muslims on their hands.

You run a Forum and I was a member of the Mourabitoun resistance group in Lebanon who has been fighting Israel and its allies since 1958.

[Clielldub]

I know two Salafis in Hamas and know that there are plenty of them in Hamas itself so solve this one for me.

Also what you said about the Arab governments not supporting the Resistance against Israel because Hamas are Iranian pawns, that is truly ridiculous, I am at a loss for words here... And here I thought it was common knowledge that Hamas turned to Iran because nobody was backing them (And they made that clear in many of their Tv interviews.)

exactly, thats what THEY said to the media for their excuses/propaganda. but i dont look just at the media, i look at what the other mujahideen factions are saying. what is Jamaat Ansar al-sunnah fi Bait al-Maqdis saying, what Jamaat tawhid wal Jihad is saying, what Jaysh al-islam is saying, what Jund Ansar Allah i saying...... just last year or the year before it. Jund Ansar Alalh declared gaza an "islamic emirate". and what happened right after that?? Hamas stormed in and killed the entire mosque including the leader. http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&h...470f6d7470bb69

Aha so both are deviants, meaning that the sexchange operations are no proof that one is a worshipper of Khomeini. So why'd you use that as an argument?

first of all brother, i never said they are worshipping khomeini. neither did i say that sex-changes are PROOF for one being a worshipper of kheomeini. now you are just resorting to making things up.
iran allows sex-changes, and so does the west. does that mean im saying iran is christian or secularist?? no. the topic of SAUDI wasnt even mentioned by me. so how can you ASSUME, that because i was criticizing Hamas i am somehow OKAY with Saudi??