[Varbaiskkic]

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What is the difference between zionist and joes? Are they have the same idiology or differ to some extent? I have read some where that there are christians zionist in the world as well. I ve very short knowledge on this issue but seen few books like The protocol of the elders of the zions etc. Any references for further readings?

[Vcwdldva]

Jews are either Zionist or Anti-Zionist.

Jews opposing Zionism from a religious perspective are usually ultra-Orthodox Jews or the odd Reform/Conservative congregation (the latter is extremely rare). The bastion of opposition here is in the Satmar Hasidic Movement, who hold that the creation of the state was an 'Act of Satan.' Their philosophy is summed up in Vayoel Moshe, a book of Halacha by their 'rebbe.' There are other religious opposition figures to Zionism, but they all hold that you can go to the state and leech off of it while settling and murdering Muslim Arabs in the area is cool because they're enemies of the Jews. Ironically, most settlers are 'anti-Zionist' in the figurative sense in that they detest the current state and its creation but hold that it's still good to settle what they call 'Judea and Samaria.' The Satmar are the only consistent religious opposition to Zionism from the Jewish religion.

Jews opposing Zionism from a secular perspective are largely Communists or Socialists. They often sympathize with the Hadash party if they are Israeli (a Communist Party with Jews and Arabs that wants the state dissolved and replaced with a 'binational state,') or otherwise are members of various movements (Anarchists Against the Wall, Students for Justice in Palestine, et cetera) from outside the state. They're mostly irreligious or anti-religious.

Most Jews who adhere to Zionism are Reform, Conservative, or Orthodox (there is now a substantially Zionist Orthodox population in the US mostly from the more liberal Hasidic groups and the vast majority of what are called 'Modern Orthodox' Jews). It certainly makes up the majority of Jews, although not all Jews who adhere to Zionism consider every action taken by the current state to be a good action; however, when it comes down to it, they all support the 1948 cleansing and as such are not good people.

Hope that clears things up. I was raised Conservative and the stuff they told you about Arabs was pretty harsh; a hilarious myth in the textbook I got at Hebrew School was that the Syrian Army was defeated by a group of teenagers at a kibbutz (cooperative farm, full of pseudo-Communists/Socialists) throwing molotovs and shooting a howitzer from 1890 or whatever.

[Varbaiskkic]

Q:1........"Satmar Hasidic Movement, who hold that the creation of the state was an 'Act of Satan."
Define it more please! If there will be no state, then how can we manage our routine life?

Q: 2.......When zionism was started and who is its founder?
Q:3.......What are the goals of this movement?
Q:4......Is it really allowed to rape non-jews in judiaism? I read some where that it is allowed to rape a three year old non jewish girl by a jew and the killing of a non-jew is like killing a pig. Is it? or what is the story behind?
Q:5.......What is the name of the Book of zionism or judiaism and when it was written and who is its writer?

[Vcwdldva]

Q:1........"Satmar Hasidic Movement, who hold that the creation of the state was an 'Act of Satan."
Define it more please! If there will be no state, then how can we manage our routine life?
Q: 2.......When zionism was started and who is its founder?
Q:3.......What are the goals of this movement?
Q:4......Is it really allowed to rape non-jews in judiaism? I read some where that it is allowed to rape a three year old non jewish girl by a jew and the killing of a non-jew is like killing a pig. Is it? or what is the story behind?
Q:5.......What is the name of the Book of zionism or judiaism and when it was written and who is its writer?

1) The state meaning the state of "Israel." The Satmar believe its creation was ignoring the Three Oaths. Read the wikipedia entry on Vayoel Moshe if you really want to get an idea of it. I have no idea what you mean by that last part.

2) The contemporary Zionist movement was started by an areligious reporter named Theodore Herzl in the 19th century; however, modern Israel's politics and government and the racism is mostly due to David Ben-Gurion, the murderous archfiend. He's their George Washington or Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

3) Establishment of a 'Jewish state.' The definition of this ranges from 'a state in which a lot of Jews live anywhere in the world' to 'a state run by Halacha on all of Lebanon, Iraq, a chunk of Saudi, all of Jordan, and other places.' Contemporary Zionists usually care about spreading pro-Israel propaganda or supporting its right to 'self-defense' but there are a goodly number of theorists belonging to the latter camp in the current Israeli Knesset (parliament).

4) Israel Shahak said it was; I've never looked at the Talmud to confirm or deny and frankly I can think of better things to spend time on.

5) Err, there's no one real book behind the Zionist movement. There were a number of publications by early theorists like David Ben-Gurion, Herzl, Zev Jabotinsky (his vision of Zionism fits with the current Likud Party line, or at least prior to 1999), and others. The 'book' of Judaism is the Torah, the altered and currently useless text that was at one point given to Musa by Allah but was then savaged and altered by the Jews until it resembled nothing more than a book of pagan absurdities with scant goodness mixed in, like pebbles in a river. Not worth reading.

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q:2 - Theodor Herzl in 1897, but zionism in other forms has been around since the babylonian captivity, the zionism we know of today was started in 1897, and it increased after WWII when the jewish people had a mental paradigm shift in their outlook on life - prior to WWII the Rabbis would preach not to resist oppression, and calamities brought on the jews by other groups. This is one reason there was only one jewish revolt in the concentration camp during WWII - the Rabbis within the camps would quash any movements to resist the nazis saying that this was Gods punishment on them. After WWII a common mantra of the zionists was "Never again", meaning they wont sit back and take that kind of thing ever again - this bolstered the zionist movement which took a more proactive stance on reclaiming Al Quds.

Q:3 - to rebuild the temple. In order to rebuild the temple, the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa would need to be demolished, which would sent a firestorm upon jerusalem from the Muslim world, so its kind of stalemate right now.
Q:4 - This practice was started by a 2nd century Rabbi named Simeon ben Yohai who also founded kabbalah - he said "A gentile who is under the age of three years and a day is permitted to marry a priest."(Yebamoth 60b, p. 402) - other rabbis made it "halakha" or binding jewish law - but modern jews reject Ben Yohei and KAbbalah all together. However, the Talmud is still full of similar pedophilia - the early Pahrisees said "a boy of nine is not a 'man'" thus permissable to enter and can not "throw guilt' upon the offender.(Sanhedrin 69b, Sanhedrin 55a.)

Q:5 - all this comes not from the Torah which has some truth in it and originated from Allah, but from the ZTalmud, the Talmud is book written by a consortium of Rabbis over the course of about 200 years - it was completed and replaced the law of the tanakh around the time of Iesa , hence the need for a Nabi to come and warn the jews that they messed up big time with the talmud and they needed to follow the ISlam Jesus brought. The Talmud al;so marked the end of the Jewish Prophetic era, where Prophets came and taught and guided the people, and they entered the modern era of Judaism we know today as Talmudic or Rabbinic Judaism, lead by the Jewish Rabbis and scholars.