[maxfreemann]

I'm interested to know the understanding of the hadith about the ummah splitting into 73 sects and only one being saved, does this mean that brelviz, sufi's, wahabi's, salafi's and hanbali's with wrong aqeedah will be in the hell fire? cos they are deviated sects? the hadith says all the sects are in the hell fire except for what me and my companions are upon.

[EnvellFen]

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
Contentious and non productive. Threads have discussed this in detail. "Basically, sects to my understanding are those that have the wrong FUNDAMENTAL belief not in the way of their lifestyle"
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[angelxmagic]

Assalamu alaykum

The sect which thinks that all muslims should go to jannah and give sacrifices and makes dua in tahajjud is the 73rd sect.

[wbeachcomber]

All sects that aren't Ahlus-Sunnah are deviant, but it does not necessarily follow that every single group is a separate group, as otherwise, there are far more than 73 groups.

So, Ahlus-Sunnah may be many groups.

[haittiweerved]

Assalamu alaykum

The sect which thinks that all muslims should go to jannah and give sacrifices and makes dua in tahajjud is the 73rd sect.

where did you get that criteria from?

and which sect or sects are you refering to?

[Stovegeothnon]

I'm interested to know the understanding of the hadith about the ummah splitting into 73 sects and only one being saved, does this mean that brelviz, sufi's, wahabi's, salafi's and hanbali's with wrong aqeedah will be in the hell fire? cos they are deviated sects? the hadith says all the sects are in the hell fire except for what me and my companions are upon.

First of all , as per hadeeth, yes, all other sects will be in hellfire who are not Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah .
Secondly , a few corrections :
Sufi , wahabi , hanbali, are not "sects".

Sufism is just a name given to the method of self-purification under a mentor. Whatever people have invented in the name of Sufism, is wrong, but not the deed itself.
This is just like Tableegh Jama'ah is not a sect. Or the Mujahideen groups are not "sects".

Hanbalis are a part of Ahlus sunnah wal Jama'ah. I believe what you're referring to as "hanbalis" is their aqeedah regarding the Attributes of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'aala, then remember that it's something debatable, and one's afterlife does not depend on how he presumes the Attributes of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'aala , since we haven't seen him ( not yet , but insha'Allah we all will ). Whether you believe in Athari school, Ash'ari, or Maturidi, it's still a part of Ahlus Sunnah.

Regarding Salafis, then salafis are again, not completely out of Ahlus sunnah either. The problem here is that since Salafis do not adhere to any particular thing at all, rather they're more like homeless people in the field of Islam, you can't be sure which one is upon the truth and which one isn't. So they're more like tramps.

[gardenerextraordinaire]

First of all , as per hadeeth, yes, all other sects will be in hellfire who are not Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah .

They will be in the hell fire for some time, but eventually enter in Jannah insha'Allah, as they are still Muslims, although deviants.

-Saved sect (Ahl as-Sunnah): Directly in Jannah or after a period in Jahannam due to the sins committed by each individual.
-Members of one of the 72 deviant sects (ahl al-Bid'ah): Passing through a period in Jahannam even if "sinless" (due to the deviancy of their 'Aqidah) but eventually going to Jannah because they are still Muslims.
-Kuffar (outside of the folds of Islam): in Jahannam forever.

[Stovegeothnon]

They will be in the hell fire for some time, but eventually enter in Jannah insha'Allah, as they are still Muslims, although deviants.

-Saved sect (Ahl as-Sunnah): Directly in Jannah or after a period in Jahannam due to the sins committed by each individual.
-Members of one of the 72 deviant sects (ahl al-Bid'ah): Passing through a period in Jahannam even if "sinless" (due to the deviancy of their 'Aqidah) but eventually going to Jannah because they are still Muslims.
-Kuffar (outside of the folds of Islam): in Jahannam forever.

any reference? JazakAllah

[IdomeoreTew]

any reference? JazakAllah

السلام عليكم

Brother 'Umar is correct, the references are the countless Hadiths on the subject.

[maxfreemann]

They will be in the hell fire for some time, but eventually enter in Jannah insha'Allah, as they are still Muslims, although deviants.

-Saved sect (Ahl as-Sunnah): Directly in Jannah or after a period in Jahannam due to the sins committed by each individual.
-Members of one of the 72 deviant sects (ahl al-Bid'ah): Passing through a period in Jahannam even if "sinless" (due to the deviancy of their 'Aqidah) but eventually going to Jannah because they are still Muslims.
-Kuffar (outside of the folds of Islam): in Jahannam forever.

So people with devient aqeedah will go to hell fire? and then eventually be put in paradise? The thing I have trouble with is, there is so much difference over aqeedah that a person could get confused and follow the wrong people and he will be put in fire for this.

[Abaronos]

Yeah there's part of a long Hadith in Bukhari which says Rasulullah will intercede on Yaumul Qiyaamah:

O my Rabb! Permit me (to intercede) for anyone who has said Laa ilaaha illallaah. Thus, Allah Subhaanahu wa Ta'aalaa will say: By My Honor and By My Majesty, and By My Grandeur, and By My Sublimity; whoever has said Laa ilaaha illallaah, I will certainly take him out of the Fire.

(Bukhari)

[Sthjrderfida]

This was posted (in part) the other day. yes, it's 17 parts but WATCH it (one or some of the parts are hard to find because the poster took out the shaykh's name. Just search for the title and you'll see them, then switch again)

So Who's Right? by Shaykh Hasan Ali

[gardenerextraordinaire]

any reference? JazakAllah

As said by another brother, the references would be many as I have just summarized I point I have read multiple times from various sources; anyway, I made a rapid search in order to comply to your request and found this:

Imam Rabbani, Mujaddid Alf Thani, Shaykh Ahmed Faruqi Sirhindhi rahmatullah alayhi wrote:
"It was declared in a Hadith that this Ummah would part into 73 groups, 72 of which would go to Hell. This Hadith informs us that the 72 groups will be tormented in the Fire of Hell. It does not inform us that they will remain in torment eternally. Remaining in the torment of Hell Fire eternally is for those who do not have Iman. That is, it is for disbelievers. The 72 groups, on account of their corrupt beliefs, will go to Hell and will burn as much as the corruptness of their beliefs.

One group, the 73rd, will be saved from Hell Fire because their belief is not corrupt. If among the members of this one group there are those who committed evil deeds and if these evil deeds of theirs have not been forgiven through repentance or intercession, it is possible that these, too, will burn in Hell as much as their sins. All of those who are in the 72 groups will go to Hell.

But none of them will remain in Hell eternally. Not all of those who are in this one group will go to Hell. Of these only those who have committed evil deeds will go to Hell. The 72 reported groups of bid'ah, which will go to Hell, should not be called disbelievers, because they are Ahl al-Qibla (people of the Qibla in prayer). But, of these, the ones who disbelieve those facts in the Deen that are indispensably required to be believed, as well as those who deny the rules of the Shari'ah which every Muslim has heard and knows, become disbelievers."
(Maktubaat, Vol. 3, Letter 38)

[SergeyLisin]

First of all , as per hadeeth, yes, all other sects will be in hellfire who are not Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah .
Secondly , a few corrections :
Sufi , wahabi , hanbali, are not "sects".

Sufism is just a name given to the method of self-purification under a mentor. Whatever people have invented in the name of Sufism, is wrong, but not the deed itself.
This is just like Tableegh Jama'ah is not a sect. Or the Mujahideen groups are not "sects".

Hanbalis are a part of Ahlus sunnah wal Jama'ah. I believe what you're referring to as "hanbalis" is their aqeedah regarding the Attributes of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'aala, then remember that it's something debatable, and one's afterlife does not depend on how he presumes the Attributes of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'aala , since we haven't seen him ( not yet , but insha'Allah we all will ). Whether you believe in Athari school, Ash'ari, or Maturidi, it's still a part of Ahlus Sunnah.

Regarding Salafis, then salafis are again, not completely out of Ahlus sunnah either. The problem here is that since Salafis do not adhere to any particular thing at all, rather they're more like homeless people in the field of Islam, you can't be sure which one is upon the truth and which one isn't. So they're more like tramps.

Surprisingly not a bad response,

Anyway, I have always had an opinion on this. Basically anyone who is not 'sunni' is a part of the other 72 sects. If you look throughout history and even now you have many who call themselves righteous but are anything but: for example:

Nation of Islam
Quran Only
Ismailis
Alawi

And the list is endless.

[dexterljohnthefinanceguy]

I'm interested to know the understanding of the hadith about the ummah splitting into 73 sects and only one being saved, does this mean that brelviz, sufi's, wahabi's, salafi's and hanbali's with wrong aqeedah will be in the hell fire? cos they are deviated sects? the hadith says all the sects are in the hell fire except for what me and my companions are upon.

Hanbalis are sunnis. hanbalis, malikis, hanafis and shafi'is arent different sects.

Also, ibn Othaymeen classed the brewalis as Mushrikeen. just thought id chuck that in

[gardenerextraordinaire]

Anyway, I have always had an opinion on this. Basically anyone who is not 'sunni' is a part of the other 72 sects. If you look throughout history and even now you have many who call themselves righteous but are anything but: for example:

Nation of Islam
Quran Only
Ismailis
Alawi

Well brother, all the four sects you have listed aren't amongst the 72 deviated sects (Ahl al-Bid'ah); they're actually kuffar out of the folds of Islam, not deviant Muslims.

[cokLoolioli]

As-Salamu Alaykum.

My ustad said that ALL muslims who have the tawhid of lā ʾilāha ʾillallāh, Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh will go to heaven.
Those 72 sects that will go to jahannam are those who don't have the tawhid. Only one sect will go to jannah.

Of course, lā ʾilāha ʾillallāh, Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh is a huge scope.
lā ʾilāha ʾillallāh (there is no God but Allah) means you do believe that Allah is the only God of the whole universe, God of jannah, God of jahannam, God of Sky, God of Earth. He is the only one.
Well, if you believe that there is no God but Allah, what do you do? So, you have to make sure that you do things that Allah ask us to do and to leave things that Allah forbids us to do (as stated in the al-Qur'an).
For example, salat (fard), fast during ramadan, zakat, sadaqah, hajj, to be good to parents, to do amar makruf nahi mungkar, etc.
Same goes to Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh (Muhammad is Allah's messenger). It means, you do what Muhammad saw has taught us and to leave things that Muhammad saw has forbid us to do.
For example, Muhammad saw has forbid us to practice mut'ah and tattoo. Muhammad saw also has forbid us to curse the sahabas.
It doesn't matter what you madh'hab is. As long as your tawhid is lā ʾilāha ʾillallāh, Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh, you'll go to jannah, insha Allah.

However, there is also a hadith which says whoever recites lā ʾilāha ʾillallāh, Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh before he is dead, he'll go to jannah. Simple as that.

Wallahu a'lam.

[Saispapedlimi]

This was posted (in part) the other day. yes, it's 17 parts but WATCH it (one or some of the parts are hard to find because the poster took out the shaykh's name. Just search for the title and you'll see them, then switch again)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxykwAdW_9Q
So Who's Right? by Shaykh Hasan Ali

nice video.