[drugstore]

First of all they are not fighting a war against own people!

Secondly it's the duty of the ameer to make sure non islamic practisses are stoped in his country.

Thirdly we don't know the full details of the arrests so should stay quiet and have good thoughts abouth the mujahideen.

Thirdly well when the prior mujahideen had the who were muqallid , they ended up getting sold out for euros and dollars.

So then offcourse you should expect the salafis taking the role.

Jazakallah

[Dreqsqse]

Salam,

what i mean about fighting against its own people, is that al Shabab are fighting against the Sunnis who arent like them, this is completely wrong dont you think? Muslims cant be killing Muslims, this is a huge haram and fitna.

And, if they were true to their religion then they would never have been able to be sold out.

[drugstore]

but sad enough they did .

May Allah swt give all of us the strength to keep our focus on Allah swt .

May Allah swt make all of us steadfast.

Thats why islaah e nafs in this times is very important ,esspecially the people who are putting their lifes in the warzone for Allah swt they should make even more focus on the islaah of their nafs.

jazakallah

[AndrewBoss]

Salam,

what i mean about fighting against its own people, is that al Shabab are fighting against the Sunnis who arent like them, this is completely wrong dont you think? Muslims cant be killing Muslims, this is a huge haram and fitna.

And, if they were true to their religion then they would never have been able to be sold out.

Your missing the point, by a Muslim committing shirk... he is no longer considered a Muslim....

So if a person slaughters for other than Allah, while he was Muslim originally.... the action of committing shirk knowingly, makes him a Murtad.... in which it would become obligatory upon those in charge to fight against them...

[WeissVine]

Your missing the point, by a Muslim committing shirk... he is no longer considered a Muslim....

So if a person slaughters for other than Allah, while he was Muslim originally.... the action of committing shirk knowingly, makes him a Murtad.... in which it would become obligatory upon those in charge to fight against them...

Going upon that ruling you should go to nightclubs and kill fellow muslims here in the west.

[AndrewBoss]

Going upon that ruling you should go to nightclubs and kill fellow muslims here in the west.

I am not killing anyone brother... I am not wali al amr and I am not in any position to do anything and I wouldn't do it...

But what does going to nightclubs have to do with shirk, or are you referring to Zina? Are you saying the Zani should NOT be killed? Regardless, that is still not the same as shirk.... as the Zani is still a Muslim......Even if the hadd was put upon him by a Muslim ruler in a Muslim country.

And What do nightclubs in the WEST and Muslims in the WEST have to do with an AFRICAN MUSLIM COUNTRY....?

Please think before making such ridiculous posts.

[WeissVine]

I am not killing anyone brother... I am not wali al amr and I am not in any position to do anything and I wouldn't do it...

But what does going to nightclubs have to do with shirk, or are you referring to Zina? Are you saying the Zani should NOT be killed? Regardless, that is still not the same as shirk.... as the Zani is still a Muslim......Even if the hadd was put upon him by a Muslim ruler in a Muslim country.

And What do nightclubs in the WEST and Muslims in the WEST have to do with an AFRICAN MUSLIM COUNTRY....?

Please think before making such ridiculous posts.

Brother you are the one condoning and calling for death against muslims who have sinned? have you never sinned?

[AndrewBoss]

Brother you are the one condoning and calling for death against muslims who have sinned? have you never sinned?

I think you don't understand the hudood of Allah and the application of it in a practical sense, so therefore your ignorance is blinding your insight.

This has nothing to do with my sins, and Islam does not take it's shariah from the verse of the bible "Let thou who hast no sins cast the first stone". The wali al amr inflicts the hudood of Allah regardless of whether or not he himself is a sinner, and regardless of whether or not other sinners were not CAUGHT doing the same sin.

The application of the hudood of Allah is applicable to any Muslim living in a Muslim country by the wali al amr.....

And again we go back to the statement that a Muslim committing shirk knowingly is NO LONGER A MUSLIM, in which case I didn't condemn any specific person or muslim to death, I said a PERSON doing shirk knowingly is no longer a Muslim.... So yes in regards to shirk I have never sinned, alhamdulillah.

[WeissVine]

I think you don't understand the hudood of Allah and the application of it in a practical sense, so therefore your ignorance is blinding your insight.

This has nothing to do with my sins, and Islam does not take it's shariah from the verse of the bible "Let thou who hast no sins cast the first stone". The wali al amr inflicts the hudood of Allah regardless of whether or not he himself is a sinner, and regardless of whether or not other sinners were not CAUGHT doing the same sin.

The application of the hudood of Allah is applicable to any Muslim living in a Muslim country by the wali al amr.....

And again we go back to the statement that a Muslim committing shirk knowingly is NO LONGER A MUSLIM, in which case I didn't condemn any specific person or muslim to death, I said a PERSON doing shirk knowingly is no longer a Muslim.... So yes in regards to shirk I have never sinned, alhamdulillah.

How is one meant to prove shirk? How can you say that somebody has done shirk while others will deny it?

[Yyaqyped]

(...)And about the Taliban banning womens education and other 'useless' things, this is true as we all know. It is a well known fact that they didnt want women doing anything other than staying at home, and we all know they pretty much banned everything; even sports like football were banned. And i dont see how these things like women learning are 'useless', because we all know that if they actually did govern by Sharia, then women would have alot of rights, and sports would not be banned because Islam is not oppressive, in fact it is very lenient.(...)

When you don't know of the details from the region, the customs, the madhhab and the condition of the people, you just better shut up instead of accumulating sins by pointing at your brothers, and I'm saying it quietly. In fact we should all be doing this when we are not manly enough to do our obligations.

[AndrewBoss]

How is one meant to prove shirk? How can you say that somebody has done shirk while others will deny it?

You've made too many accusations concerning the shariah of Allah for me to care to even answer you. But for your information I am talking about individuals who proclaim "I am slaughtering this in the name of so and so" or... hearing them say that when they slaughter it, or seeing them doing sajdah to a buddhist statue, and not having any excuse, I am not talking about simply reading peoples intentions...

[kHy87gPC]

No brother, this is not true.

Here is fatwa by the Lajnah ad-Daima:

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Q: Is it permissible to offer a sacrifice for the dead?.

A: Praise be to Allaah.

The Muslims are agreed that it is prescribed to offer a sacrifice (udhiyah), and it is permissible to offer a sacrifice on behalf of one who has died, because of the general meaning of the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “When the son of Adam dies, all his good deeds come to an end except three: ongoing charity, beneficial knowledge, or a righteous son who will pray for him.” Narrated by Muslim. Abu Dawood, al-Tirmidhi and al-Nasaa’i, and by al-Bukhaari in al-Adab al-Mufrad from Abu Hurayrah. Slaughtering a sacrifice on his behalf is a kind of ongoing charity, because it benefits the person offering the sacrifice, the deceased person, and others.

And Allaah is the Source of strength.

Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas.

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And you can also read this fatwa which is about "Benefitting the deceased by giving charity on his behalf":

http://www.islam-qa .com/en/ref/42384/good%20dead%20deceased

(remove the gap between "qa" and ".")

I never knew this.

All I've heard here is that they don't allow it.

for correcting my misconception.

[vvxtiopmx]

I never knew this.

All I've heard here is that they don't allow it.

for correcting my misconception.

As Salamu alaikum,

I believe that the Malikis are of the opinion that deeds of the living do not reach the deceased. This was mentioned in Dr.Sadiq al-Gharyani's Mudawwanat al-Fiqh al-Maliki under Kitab al-janazah. Is this the mu'tamad of the Maliki school ?

[vvxtiopmx]

I got the impression that the people who were making sacrifices were doing so as a means to send the reward to their ancestors and not slaughtering the animals in the name of their relatives. Did anyone else get this impression ?

Why not stop the massacre of civilians and the rampant chaos before detaining people for "shirk" suspicion ?

[Queueftof]

Al Shabaab detains dozen for making sacrifices to their dead parents
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/briefs/articles/90043374?Al%20Shabaab%20detains%20dozen%20for%20ma king%20sacrifices%20to%20their%20dead%20parents

Fighters loyal to Somalia’s al Shabaab on Monday detained at least 12 people, mainly women, they accused of committing deeds against Islam.
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Al Shabaab accused the people of making sacrifices by slaughtering livestock to mark the the deaths of their parents.

Witnesses said the people were detained after the militants conducted search operations in the port of Barawe, about 250 kilometers (155 miles) south of Mogadishu.

“While I was at a street near my neighborhood, I saw more fighters of al Shabaab having seized 12 people, nine of them were women; I was told they had been captured while doing sacrifices for their dead parents, that Somalis traditionally do to send prayers and asked Allah to forgive their parents,” an eyewitness told the local media, requesting his name not be used for security reasons.

He said that the group has already banned other items, including the sale and consumption of khat inside the towns they control and the playing of football.

Ahlu Sunna Waljama clerics, who brought to Islam to Somalia allow sacrifices in order to ask Allah to forgive the sins of ancestors.

Al Shabaab, which believes in the Wahabi doctrine, developed new habits and actions Somali people don’t know in the last three or four years.

In towns under control of the extremist group, such as Kismayo, parts of Mogadishu, Marka and other villages in southern and central parts of the country, many grave sites have been destroyed.

Al Shabaab argues it wants to rid Somalia of anything that does not fit with its strict version of Islam, but that ideology has put it on a collision course with Sufi fighters.

The moderate Ahlu Sunna was provoked to take up arms against al Shabaab when the militant group began digging up and destroying the remains of Somalia's cleric scholars.

Dear Brothers & Sisters, Assalaamoalaikum

Al Shabaab should go back to their Madrassa and study Islam from the very beginning. In these days, every bearded guy is a Scholar.

Brotherly yours
farook

[WeissVine]

You've made too many accusations concerning the shariah of Allah for me to care to even answer you. But for your information I am talking about individuals who proclaim "I am slaughtering this in the name of so and so" or... hearing them say that when they slaughter it, or seeing them doing sajdah to a buddhist statue, and not having any excuse, I am not talking about simply reading peoples intentions...

No I have not made any accusations concerning the shariah of Allah swt. astagfirullah.

The point I was trying to make was that how can you benchmark what is shirk in this case, when certain people believe that its alright? How can something questionable like this be centre of attention when there are worse crimes being committed by these 'groups'????

[kHy87gPC]

I also got the impression that they were making the sacrifices for the sake of their parents, not in their name (simply because I've never heard of people making sacrifices in their parents' names), but I think it's best to hold off on criticisms until we are sure of what really happened. And, even then, the best thing is probably to make du`a that they learn and understand the Deen properly, instead of just attacking them because they happen to be Salafis.

[swissloveone]

I also got the impression that they were making the sacrifices for the sake of their parents, not in their name (simply because I've never heard of people making sacrifices in their parents' names), but I think it's best to hold off on criticisms until we are sure of what really happened. And, even then, the best thing is probably to make du`a that they learn and understand the Deen properly, instead of just attacking them because they happen to be Salafis.

Agreed. We dont know the real circumstances.

[eropiereetuekm]

All these 'islamic' groups need to be exterminated. Seriously, what a bunch of idiots making people hate Islam. I wouldnt be surprised if lots of ignorant Somalis left Islam all together after this, if this is the Islam theyre exposed to. And lol, banning football? Have they not heard of the hadeeth where the Prophet(pbuh) himself used to play and race his wives on the sand?? They call everyone else ignorant but these retarded groups are the ones who are really ignorant. Inshallah the ahlul Sunnah defeat them soon and then implement the true Sharia law, in accordance to the Sunnah and Quran.

Al-shabaab is the only problem right now, and all those other salafi-extremist groups in the middle-east of similar nature. most other mujahideen groups are fine. and what these al-qaeda affiliated/inspired groups in middle-east do actually contradict what AQ leaders (khorasan) preach in their own speeches, i must point out.

And about the Taliban banning womens education and other 'useless' things, this is true as we all know. It is a well known fact that they didnt want women doing anything other than staying at home, and we all know they pretty much banned everything; even sports like football were banned. And i dont see how these things like women learning are 'useless', because we all know that if they actually did govern by Sharia, then women would have alot of rights, and sports would not be banned because Islam is not oppressive, in fact it is very lenient.

Yes, this Ummah is messed up, and may Allah fix it and unite all Muslims under the true banner of Islam and the Sunnah/.

this is totally false. infact, you should first understand how taliban works. it is not a single group and its policy isnt to prevent women from education. the taliban is a NETWORK that extends all across afghanistan. it is not a single group but a collection of individual regional groups who are all part of this same organization....

the taliban/IEA has its own central leadership and policies, but its the individual/regional leaders that decide what goes on in their own turf or not... its not mullah umar's fault, that he cannot communicate with his own subordinates because of the fact there is no communication facility or infrastructure in afghanistan, to make sure that his policies are consistent throughout the country....
that is why in some places you may see that women dont have much rights that other places do, or in some places there are less facilities than other places, etc. its not TALIBAN's policy, just the fact that local groups are runnig the show that way.


and taliban are not against schools or girls going to schools. the taliban may fight some schools due to other reasons. maybe they were built by NATO, and so they are destroyed inorder to deny them legitemacy. the taliban have their own schools which they run or back. just look at this report here-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_F29PxYTck