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Al Shabaab detains dozen for making sacrifices to their dead parents
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/briefs/articles/90043374?Al%20Shabaab%20detains%20dozen%20for%20ma king%20sacrifices%20to%20their%20dead%20parents

Fighters loyal to Somalia’s al Shabaab on Monday detained at least 12 people, mainly women, they accused of committing deeds against Islam.
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Al Shabaab accused the people of making sacrifices by slaughtering livestock to mark the the deaths of their parents.

Witnesses said the people were detained after the militants conducted search operations in the port of Barawe, about 250 kilometers (155 miles) south of Mogadishu.

“While I was at a street near my neighborhood, I saw more fighters of al Shabaab having seized 12 people, nine of them were women; I was told they had been captured while doing sacrifices for their dead parents, that Somalis traditionally do to send prayers and asked Allah to forgive their parents,” an eyewitness told the local media, requesting his name not be used for security reasons.

He said that the group has already banned other items, including the sale and consumption of khat inside the towns they control and the playing of football.

Ahlu Sunna Waljama clerics, who brought to Islam to Somalia allow sacrifices in order to ask Allah to forgive the sins of ancestors.

Al Shabaab, which believes in the Wahabi doctrine, developed new habits and actions Somali people don’t know in the last three or four years.

In towns under control of the extremist group, such as Kismayo, parts of Mogadishu, Marka and other villages in southern and central parts of the country, many grave sites have been destroyed.

Al Shabaab argues it wants to rid Somalia of anything that does not fit with its strict version of Islam, but that ideology has put it on a collision course with Sufi fighters.

The moderate Ahlu Sunna was provoked to take up arms against al Shabaab when the militant group began digging up and destroying the remains of Somalia's cleric scholars.

[kHy87gPC]

So, why are they banning this?

I know Salafis don't believe in passing on good deeds to the deceased, by at most this would be a difference of opinion, not something to arrest people over.

[AndrewBoss]

So, why are they banning this?

I know Salafis don't believe in passing on good deeds to the deceased, by at most this would be a difference of opinion, not something to arrest people over.

I think they meant "To" as in.... I'm slaughtering this animal in the name of such and such person..... by not saying the name of Allah, but rather saying or intending the name of the person.

While the opposite would be, I am slaughtering this animal in the name of Allah, and I hope the Ajr goes to such and such person.

[Guaranano]

There are many pagan rituals that are still practiced by people in Somalia, animal sacrifice as cleansing being one of them. Some Somalis will sacrifice animals in the hopes it will cleanse a living person of an illness or insanity.

Al-Shabab are zealous in their efforts to rid the country of these pagan, pre-Islam acts.

[WeissVine]

There are many pagan rituals that are still practiced by people in Somalia, animal sacrifice as cleansing being one of them. Some Somalis will sacrifice animals in the hopes it will cleanse a living person of an illness or insanity.

Al-Shabab are zealous in their efforts to rid the country of these pagan, pre-Islam acts.

Lets not forget female genital mutilation,

[Guaranano]

Lets not forget female genital mutilation,

True.

Anyone know why this is? I mean, what evidence could possibly be presented in support of this? It's pre-Islam and has no logic. Supporters say they do it because it's hygienic and inhibits a woman's libido but these are both ridiculous to any thinking person.

Anyway, Somali's have been wracked by two decades of civil war. Education takes a back seat to survival in a time like this, so literacy is not a priority. May Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, guide the brothers and sister there toward true Islam and reconciliation soon.

[kHy87gPC]

I think they meant "To" as in.... I'm slaughtering this animal in the name of such and such person..... by not saying the name of Allah, but rather saying or intending the name of the person.

While the opposite would be, I am slaughtering this animal in the name of Allah, and I hope the Ajr goes to such and such person.

I've never heard of a person making a sacrifice to their dead parents.

Is this done in Somalia?

[IssuessBratte]

Salam

True.
Anyone know why this is? I mean, what evidence could possibly be presented in support of this? It's pre-Islam and has no logic. Supporters say they do it because it's hygienic and inhibits a woman's libido but these are both ridiculous to any thinking person. i think one shouldn't jump to conclusions on this issue and one should also draw a distinction between female circumcision and "mutilation".

the practice of female circumcision does have roots among the ansari women (sahabiyat) of madina and was permitted by the prophet (saws).
What does Islam (Holy Quran, Shariah, Hadith) say , if at all, about the female circucision or FGM - Female Genital Mutilation? Is it permissible or not permissible? Thank you

Question


Answer

Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuhu

1. Circumcision for males is Waajib (compulsory) according to Imaam Abu
Hanifa. If circumcision will hinder a person from accepting Islam then
accepting Islam should be given preference over circumcision.
2. It is Mustahabb (commendable) for females to circumcise. It is narrated
in an authentic Hadith quoted from Abu Dawood Shareef that during the
Prophet (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam)'s time there was a woman in Madinah
who used to perform circumsicion for women (Fathul Bari vol. 16 p. 353)

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT. http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...b2a682e1587e97

[JTS_tv]

Genital mutilation (which is haram) is way different to female circumcision (which is halal)

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?ID=1702

[IssuessBratte]

Salam

jazakallah for that br. Ahmed.

[kHy87gPC]

Unfortunately, from what I've heard the haram brand of circumcision is practiced in Somalia, though how often I do not know.

[mr.calisto]

Are Al-Shabaab fighting female mutilation with as much zeal as other things?

[EmpaccalGah]

So, why are they banning this?

I know Salafis don't believe in passing on good deeds to the deceased, by at most this would be a difference of opinion, not something to arrest people over.

No brother, this is not true.

Here is fatwa by the Lajnah ad-Daima:

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Q: Is it permissible to offer a sacrifice for the dead?.

A: Praise be to Allaah.

The Muslims are agreed that it is prescribed to offer a sacrifice (udhiyah), and it is permissible to offer a sacrifice on behalf of one who has died, because of the general meaning of the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “When the son of Adam dies, all his good deeds come to an end except three: ongoing charity, beneficial knowledge, or a righteous son who will pray for him.” Narrated by Muslim. Abu Dawood, al-Tirmidhi and al-Nasaa’i, and by al-Bukhaari in al-Adab al-Mufrad from Abu Hurayrah. Slaughtering a sacrifice on his behalf is a kind of ongoing charity, because it benefits the person offering the sacrifice, the deceased person, and others.

And Allaah is the Source of strength.

Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas.

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And you can also read this fatwa which is about "Benefitting the deceased by giving charity on his behalf":

http://www.islam-qa .com/en/ref/42384/good%20dead%20deceased

(remove the gap between "qa" and ".")

[AndrewBoss]

Are Al-Shabaab fighting female mutilation with as much zeal as other things?

Would you fight shirk more than you would fight someone doing an incorrect method of circumcision?

I'm not saying the former is correct, but they aren't comparable in terms of which gets fought with more zeal.

[WeissVine]

Yeah but for the Wahabbis everything is shirk, where do you draw the line brother? Someone needs to make a stand

[Dreqsqse]

All these 'islamic' groups need to be exterminated. Seriously, what a bunch of idiots making people hate Islam. I wouldnt be surprised if lots of ignorant Somalis left Islam all together after this, if this is the Islam theyre exposed to. And lol, banning football? Have they not heard of the hadeeth where the Prophet(pbuh) himself used to play and race his wives on the sand?? They call everyone else ignorant but these retarded groups are the ones who are really ignorant. Inshallah the ahlul Sunnah defeat them soon and then implement the true Sharia law, in accordance to the Sunnah and Quran.

[AndrewBoss]

Yeah but for the Wahabbis everything is shirk, where do you draw the line brother? Someone needs to make a stand

I think that is an unjust statement, not everything is shirk.... only shirk is shirk, so you draw the line at shirk.

Unless you know something about them that I don't, in which case is slaughtering in the name of other than Allah shirk or not?

[WeissVine]

All these 'islamic' groups need to be exterminated. Seriously, what a bunch of idiots making people hate Islam. I wouldnt be surprised if lots of ignorant Somalis left Islam all together after this, if this is the Islam theyre exposed to. And lol, banning football? Have they not heard of the hadeeth where the Prophet(pbuh) himself used to play and race his wives on the sand?? They call everyone else ignorant but these retarded groups are the ones who are really ignorant. Inshallah the ahlul Sunnah defeat them soon and then implement the true Sharia law, in accordance to the Sunnah and Quran.

Ameen

[Yyaqyped]

wa rahmatullah,

Are Al-Shabaab fighting female mutilation with as much zeal as other things?

All these 'islamic' groups need to be exterminated. Seriously, what a bunch of idiots making people hate Islam. I wouldnt be surprised if lots of ignorant Somalis left Islam all together after this, if this is the Islam theyre exposed to. And lol, banning football? Have they not heard of the hadeeth where the Prophet(pbuh) himself used to play and race his wives on the sand?? They call everyone else ignorant but these retarded groups are the ones who are really ignorant. Inshallah the ahlul Sunnah defeat them soon and then implement the true Sharia law, in accordance to the Sunnah and Quran.

Congratulation for confirming my thoughts. So even this forum is not spared by idiots : Al-Shabaab are running a country, fighting a military and mediatic war and what do westernised muslims do to support them ? They just relay lies and find faults instead of excuses.

But don't panic as you are not the first cowards to do so, even in the Taliban area the keyboard mujahideen like you were pressing the Taliban to care about women education among other useless things mentioned by the media you worship.


Truly Allah (swt) is our Protector, because depending on such an ummah is like suicide.

[Dreqsqse]

wa rahmatullah,

Congratulation for confirming my thoughts. So even this forum is not spared by idiots : Al-Shabaab are running a country, fighting a military and mediatic war and what do westernised muslims do to support them ? They just relay lies and find faults instead of excuses.

But don't panic as you are not the first cowards to do so, even in the Taliban area the keyboard mujahideen like you were pressing the Taliban to care about women education among other useless things mentioned by the media you worship.


Truly Allah (swt) is our Protector, because depending on such an ummah is like suicide.

Fighting a war against its own people? Why should we support them? What, do you seriously want us to find excuses to support them killing people who arent as weird as them?

This is what i hate, when us Muslims try and blame everything on the media, when we know that our people are doing wrong. Havent you wondered why they (these 'Islamic' groups) are never successful in wars? Its because they arent following Islam properly. Reminds me of a story of when a Muslim general in the time of Muawiya's khalifa (i think) came to Muawiya (RA) and asked 'how comes we are not winning in our battles, and we are not making any military advances?' Muawiya replied, 'Are your soldiers doing their prayers? and following the sunnah?' Then from that day they kept a close watch on what the soldiers were doing, and made sure they followed the Sunnah properly, then ever since then they started winning. So, as soon as Muslim groups start abiding by the true Shariah they will become successful.

And about the Taliban banning womens education and other 'useless' things, this is true as we all know. It is a well known fact that they didnt want women doing anything other than staying at home, and we all know they pretty much banned everything; even sports like football were banned. And i dont see how these things like women learning are 'useless', because we all know that if they actually did govern by Sharia, then women would have alot of rights, and sports would not be banned because Islam is not oppressive, in fact it is very lenient.

Yes, this Ummah is messed up, and may Allah fix it and unite all Muslims under the true banner of Islam and the Sunnah/.