[vicgirl]

As-salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah.

I have heard the term "Mamati Deobandi" being used by those outside the Deobandi school.

Can someone please explain, what's a "Mamati Deobandi"?

[LasTins]

As-salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah.

I have heard the term "Mamati Deobandi" being used by those outside the Deobandi school.

Can someone please explain, what's a "Mamati Deobandi"?

They are not Deobandis since being a Deobandi means that you're a de facto "hayati". Mamatis believe that the prophets are dead in their graves.

[vicgirl]

Is there a dispute about the extent of communication that can occur between the living and those who have passed away to the next realm?

[vicgirl]

They are not Deobandis since being a Deobandi means that you're a de facto "hayati". Mamatis believe that the prophets are dead in their graves.

Those who call themselves "Salafis" affirm the life of the Barzakh.

Do you consider those who get called "Mamatis" to be more misguided?

Do they deny the life of the Barzakh?

[vicgirl]

They are not Deobandis since being a Deobandi means that you're a de facto "hayati". Mamatis believe that the prophets are dead in their graves.

As-salamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

Since no one answered my last post, I did some reading from non-Deobandi sources.

From that reading, my impression is that those who get called "Mamati Deobandis" discourage (or oppose) asking intercession directly from the inhabitants of the graves.

I have not seen any evidence that they deny the life of the Barzakh and so I do not see the basis for expelling them from the Deobandi school.

[EmpokemyMok]

As-salamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

Since no one answered my last post, I did some reading from non-Deobandi sources.

From that reading, my impression is that those who get called "Mamati Deobandis" discourage (or oppose) asking intercession directly from the inhabitants of the graves.

I have not seen any evidence that they deny the life of the Barzakh and so I do not see the basis for expelling them from the Deobandi school.

The difference is that the mamati believe that the Prophet is alive in barazakh with another body and the orthodox hayati deobandi belief is that Prophet is alive with the same worldly body.

[kHy87gPC]

As-salamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

Since no one answered my last post, I did some reading from non-Deobandi sources.

From that reading, my impression is that those who get called "Mamati Deobandis" discourage (or oppose) asking intercession directly from the inhabitants of the graves.

I have not seen any evidence that they deny the life of the Barzakh and so I do not see the basis for expelling them from the Deobandi school.

That's definitely not the difference, as Hayati Deobandis don't allow taking intercession directly from dead people either.

As for Salafis affirming life in the Barzakh, I believe their problem is that they deny that the Prophets, like the Shuhada, are alive in their graves in a manner that is different than regular people. Mamatis May have the same belief.

The problem is that I'm not sure how organized Mamatis are, as I've heard multiple things about them, from them being Salafi in Aqeeda, to only having this one difference, etc.

[vicgirl]

That's definitely not the difference, as Hayati Deobandis don't allow taking intercession directly from dead people either.

Let me clarify:

From that reading, my impression is that those who get called "Mamati Deobandis" discourage (or oppose) asking intercession directly from the inhabitants of the graves (i.e. asking those inhabitants to pray to Allah on their behalf).


So-called "Hayati Deobandis" don't allow asking intercession directly from the inhabitants of the graves (i.e. asking those inhabitants to pray to Allah on their behalf)?

Is that what you mean?

[kHy87gPC]

Let me clarify:

From that reading, my impression is that those who get called "Mamati Deobandis" discourage (or oppose) asking intercession directly from the inhabitants of the graves (i.e. asking those inhabitants to pray to Allah on their behalf).


So-called "Hayati Deobandis" don't allow asking intercession directly from the inhabitants of the graves (i.e. asking those inhabitants to pray to Allah on their behalf)?

Is that what you mean?

I thought you were referring to Istighatha, but I think the second isn't encouraged either.

[vicgirl]

Isn't the second actively encouraged in some of the books of Jama'at al-Tabligh (e.g. Fada'il al-Hajj) with regard to the Prophet in his grave (may Allah bless him and give him peace)?

[kHy87gPC]

Isn't the second actively encouraged in some of the books of Jama'at al-Tabligh (e.g. Fada'il al-Hajj) with regard to the Prophet in his grave (may Allah bless him and give him peace)?

I don't really know much about this issue, but I've heard that Rasulullah may be exception.

I think there was an article on Deoband.org on this issue, perhaps that would benefit.

Sorry for not being able to sufficiently answer the query.

[vicgirl]

Thanks for your answers - very helpful.

I had read the Deoband.org article already.

Would so-called "Mamatis" refuse to consider Rasulullah to be the exception?

Sorry for the questions, but I am trying to pin down their exact distinction from other Deobandis.

May Allah reward you.

[kHy87gPC]

Thanks for your answers - very helpful.

I had read the Deoband.org article already.

Would so-called "Mamatis" refuse to consider Rasulullah to be the exception?

Sorry for the questions, but I am trying to pin down their exact distinction from other Deobandis.

May Allah reward you.

Unfortunately, I myself am unable to pinpoint the exact difference either, because I hear so many conflicting claims about them.

[DevaRextusidis]

The ' mamati deobandis' came under light in the early 60's. The only point of difference between them and the orthodox deobandis is ' Hayat Ul Nabi' . Unlike the orthodox deobandi belief that Sayedna Muhammad SWS is alive in his grave as he was alive in the world and if one offers sallams near his grave , he hears them and responds.This belief has been attested by the majority of deobandi scholars in 'Al-Muhanad Alal Mufanad'. Unlike this , the Mamatis believe in ' Hayat e Barzakhi' that Sayedna Muhammad SWS is alive in barzakh with jism e Misali. Maulana Younus Naumani is their prominent scholar.Rest , they are active in Dawaa'h work under an orginization by the name of NTSP ( Nashar wo Ishaa't Tauheed wo Sunnat Pakistan). Maulana Chan Muhammad , Mufti Mati Ur Rehman and Maulana Khizer Hayat are the most vocal Mamatis.