[MexicoCity]

As-Salamu Alaykum


Just like the title says

Was Isa (Jesus) PBUH sinless:

1. According to Christianity?

2. According to the Qur'an?

[Mimsykzr]

Assalam alaikum
1- yes
2- what i know it's in the hadith of great intercession,he told people to go to our prophet- PBBUH- and didn't mention a sin.

[Beedcardabeme]

Both religions consider Jesus to be sinless.

[Frdsdx26]

As-Salamu Alaykum


Just like the title says

Was Isa (Jesus) PBUH sinless:

1. According to Christianity?

2. According to the Qur'an?

ALL prophets are sinless in Islam. Mistakes and sin are not the same.

[MexicoCity]

So does that mean they made mistakes then? Can you give me some examples of mistakes they would have made?

[resegooredo]

Seems like youve got something to say so come out and say it, stop skirting around the issue

[MexicoCity]

I just want answers... I am not debating anything. (I am Muslim :L)

[resegooredo]

What thoughts do you have on the subject yourself?

[MexicoCity]

What thoughts do you have on the subject yourself?

Well I thought no human being can be sinless because Muhammad (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) prayed for forgiveness. When Muslims pray we normally make a Dua'a and pray for forgiveness and a place in heaven and to keep away from the Dajjal etc etc.

So that made me jump to the conlusion that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) made at least some sins because he prayed a lot more than just 5 times a day, and Isa (Jesus) PBUH also prayed like us Muslims pray.

But since Marco100 said "Mistakes and sin are not the same" this now makes me think that he was sinless (infallible) but made some mistakes which Allah did not like.
What I want to know is what were the mistakes he made?

[Frdsdx26]

Well I thought no human being can be sinless because Muhammad (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) prayed for forgiveness. When Muslims pray we normally make a Dua'a and pray for forgiveness and a place in heaven and to keep away from the Dajjal etc etc.

So that made me jump to the conlusion that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) made at least some sins because he prayed a lot more than just 5 times a day, and Isa (Jesus) PBUH also prayed like us Muslims pray.

But since Marco100 said "Mistakes and sin are not the same" this now makes me think that he was sinless (infallible) but made some mistakes which Allah did not like.
What I want to know is what were the mistakes he made?

your question was on prophets and i posted a comment which to my inferior knowledge is based on an incident in the life of Hazrat Dawud (as) where an innocent mistake was made. If you accept that prophets of Allah cannot commit sins then this pointless thread is closed.

[errolurberozy]

As-Salamu Alaykum


Just like the title says

Was Isa (Jesus) PBUH sinless:

1. According to Christianity?

2. According to the Qur'an?

All Prophets(as) are sinless according to Islam.

[resegooredo]

Well I thought no human being can be sinless because Muhammad (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) prayed for forgiveness. When Muslims pray we normally make a Dua'a and pray for forgiveness and a place in heaven and to keep away from the Dajjal etc etc.

So that made me jump to the conlusion that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) made at least some sins because he prayed a lot more than just 5 times a day, and Isa (Jesus) PBUH also prayed like us Muslims pray.

But since Marco100 said "Mistakes and sin are not the same" this now makes me think that he was sinless (infallible) but made some mistakes which Allah did not like.
What I want to know is what were the mistakes he made?

Ok I see where youre coming from.

As you can see from the replies we firmly believe the Prophets were protected from sin. Unfortunantly you and I are not therefore once the truth is known we should accept it and move on in case we fall into sin, wasalaam

[Beedcardabeme]

Well I thought no human being can be sinless because Muhammad (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) prayed for forgiveness. When Muslims pray we normally make a Dua'a and pray for forgiveness and a place in heaven and to keep away from the Dajjal etc etc.

So that made me jump to the conlusion that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) made at least some sins because he prayed a lot more than just 5 times a day, and Isa (Jesus) PBUH also prayed like us Muslims pray.

But since Marco100 said "Mistakes and sin are not the same" this now makes me think that he was sinless (infallible) but made some mistakes which Allah did not like.
What I want to know is what were the mistakes he made?

Since you asked about in Christianity also, I wanted to provide an answer for you, and also to comment on praying for forgiveness. Please keep in mind that my answer is not representative of Christianity as a whole, as there are differing opinions on things.

In Islam, the prophets are all sinless. In Christianity they are not. Christianity only views Jesus as sinless. Christians do not believe that an individual needs to be free from sin to be a prophet, because we believe that God's anointing can be both given and taken away. God can impart his anointing for a purpose, or he can take it away. One reason for this is due to our free will. Many have been anointed and chosen by God before birth. Due to free will, they can lose God's anointing if they choose to turn away from God.

Islam believes the prophets do not sin, but they make mistakes. In Christianity, we believe they sin. I will give just one example. When Jonah disobeyed God and ran from God-- we view Jonah's actions as a sin.

With Jesus, Christians do not believe he sinned. Jesus is viewed as the ultimate example for a Christian. The very word "Christian" means a "follower of Christ." Just as Muslims follow the sunnah (life, behaviors, actions, words of the prophet Mohammed), Christians believe it is important to follow Jesus. When Jesus prayed to ask God for forgiveness, it was an example to us as his followers. Indeed, his followers directly asked Jesus to teach them how to pray. (One might wonder why the disciples would need Jesus to show them how to pray, when they were all Jews. Weren't they already praying as they should? As a disciple of Jesus, it was important to them to pray as he did and to do the things he did. He was the example. It was important for them to humble themselves to his instructions. ) Jesus' prayers for forgiveness were the example that we should follow when we pray.

I am sure that a Muslims would also say that the prophets asked for forgiveness, because they were humbling themselves before God and providing the example for us to follow. So, even if we may differ on views of sinlessness of the prophets, I am sure that we would probably agree on the reasons that a sinless person would ask forgiveness in prayer.

But a prayer for forgiveness goes beyond having a knowledge of ones sin. Take David, for example. David, in the Psalms, asked God to forgive him even of things that he may have done and not had knowledge of doing. We should ask forgiveness even for those things that we may have done and did not realize we did.

I wanted to address something else you said. You mentioned Mohammed praying more than 5 times a day and you stated that it led you to believe he must have sinned. The reason for prayer is not sin. Let me rephrase that-- there is no connection to the amount of sin one engages in and prayer. In fact, there might even be an inverse relationship-- the more one prays, the less sin in their life! (Or the more one sins, the less likely they are to pray. LOL) But sin has nothing to do with how much Mohamed, or anyone else, prays.

There is a story in Islam, and maybe if you have not read it then someone can find it for you, and it is about Mohamed talking to God and God telling him to pray 500 times a day. Mohammed says that if he prayed 500 times a day then he would not have time for anything else. So, God reduces it to five times and says that those five will be equal to the 500. (This is my summary of the story.) In my opinion, the point of the story is not about numbers. The point of the story is that we should "pray without ceasing" (as it says in the Bible). What God was showing Mohammed is that men should always be in an attitude of prayer before God. Our lives should be as a prayer to God, and we should be constantly in communion with him. To say that Mohammed must have had some sin, because he prayed so much, is a false conclusion and a misunderstanding of prayer.

Yes, asking forgiveness is a part of prayer, but it is not only what prayer is. I would wonder about the individual who only prays when he sins. In Christianity we call things like that "Fire Insurance" (and it is not a good term. LOL).

I would encourage you to stop worrying about who is sinless and who is not, and instead take some time to study about prayer-- the parts of prayer, purpose of prayer, etc.

[Anavaralo]

Well I thought no human being can be sinless because Muhammad (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) prayed for forgiveness. When Muslims pray we normally make a Dua'a and pray for forgiveness and a place in heaven and to keep away from the Dajjal etc etc.

So that made me jump to the conlusion that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) made at least some sins because he prayed a lot more than just 5 times a day, and Isa (Jesus) PBUH also prayed like us Muslims pray.

But since Marco100 said "Mistakes and sin are not the same" this now makes me think that he was sinless (infallible) but made some mistakes which Allah did not like.
What I want to know is what were the mistakes he made?

Salam aleykum

The Prophets all prayed for forgiveness, because they are examples to us normal people. Allah says in the last verse in Surah Kahf (and many more but kahf is the first one that comes to mind) : 'Say (Muhammad): I am a human being just like you ..'. This shows that the Prophets were just normal people, but they were lucky enough to be inspired by Allah, and Muhammad (for example) was picked to be a prophet because of how perfect he was, and how he was such a great and pure person.

The biggest mistake Muhammad (pbuh) made was when a blind man approached him, and asked him a question (or tried to talk to him, i think) , but then the Prophet turned his back to the blind man.

Allah tells Muhammad off in sura number 80: sura Abasa (He Frowned). In the first two ayas Allah says:
'He (the prophet) frowned and turned away. Because came to him the blind man.'
read the tafseer of the surah and read on, because the next few verses also talk about this incident.

inshallah this has helped

[whatisthebluepill]

As-Salamu Alaykum


Just like the title says

Was Isa (Jesus) PBUH sinless:

1. According to Christianity?

2. According to the Qur'an?

Wa alaikum Salaam,

According to most Christians, Isa (AS) is their Lord, thus he's deemed infallible.

Islamic standpoint:
Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab:
Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, EXCEPT MARY AND HER CHILD." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36)
(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 641; see also Volume 4, Book 54, Number 506)

Ma's-salama

[ptolerezort]

Excerpt taken from Aqaa'idul Islaam:

All of the Nabis 'Alaihimus salaam are pure and chaste servants of Allaah Ta'aala. They are free from minor and major sins. The belief of the chastity of the Nabis 'Alaihimus salaam is part of Imaan. If the Nabis 'Alaihimus salaam were not pure and chaste, then Allaah Ta'aala would have never ordered their implicit and absolute obedience. He would not have leveled obedience to them as obedience to him. He would not have said that to take bai'ah (allegiance) upon their hands is like taking bai'ah upon His Hands.

"Whoever obeys the Rasool (Muhammad Sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) obeys Allaah (because Rasulullah Sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam conveys the message of Allaah)..."

"Indeed those who pledge their allegiance (on various matters) to you (O Rasulullah Sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) they really pledge allegiance to Allaah (because they do so to please Allaah). Allaah's hand is above theirs (when they take the pledge because Allah approves it)."

Ma'soom (sinless) is he who is the chosen and preferred servant of Allaah. His habits, traits and actions are all chosen by Allaah Ta'aala. Their hearts are completely free and pure from evil and satanic effects. Since Allaah Ta'aala has mentioned in the Qur'aan Kareem that the Nabis are His chosen and special servants, it implies that they are so in every aspect of their lives. They are cleansed from internal as well as external faults and evils. If any slip up occurs in a Nabi, due to forgetfulness or mistake, then we attribute it to an outside factor and not an inherent fault. For example, the heat in boiling water is due to some outside factor (stove, etc) and this heat is not an inherent or natural quality of water. The natural quality of water is coolness and not heat. If water is placed in a fire then it will extinguish it. In a similar way, the natural disposition of the Ambiyaa is purity and homogeneity. Hence a slip up by a Nabi can never be counted as a sin, since they are not naturally disposed to evil. The mistake of Hadhrat Aadam 'Alaihis salaam was due to forgetfulness.