[ebonytipchik]

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
The problems of the world are many fold.
1. You CANNOT get from the treasures of Allah if you dont have concentration in Salaah! Tell me how you can without knowing what you are praying. Thats major... Now you might say you can learn this when you grow old ... ok so who has the time and makes an effort ... seriuosly..... and the "concentration" by people who dont know arabic in salaat is what?
2. Arabic has the most books of Islam still untranslated and potentially a great wealth of information.
3. The biggest plus is obviuosly that Allah is talking to you directly via theH. Quran.
4. In terms of the worldly the whole world is turning to Islam and there can never be a better opportunity than now to start changing language cultures everywhere.... officially?? ... you might say the spoken arabic is different ... so it would not hurt anyone to learn the basics then move on....

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Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
The problems of the world are many fold.
1. You CANNOT get from the treasures of Allah if you dont have concentration in Salaah! Tell me how you can without knowing what you are praying. Thats major... Now you might say you can learn this when you grow old ... ok so who has the time and makes an effort ... seriuosly..... and the "concentration" by people who dont know arabic in salaat is what?

as I said for an Alim (i assume you are talking about madrasah students studying to be alims and not maktab students) Arabic is a must. So all that is taken care of.

2. Arabic has the most books of Islam still untranslated and potentially a great wealth of information. and if a person has arabic and urdu under his belt, he will have even more books of islam untranslated and potentially a great wealth...

3. The biggest plus is obviuosly that Allah is talking to you directly via theH. Quran. Arabic has that preference.. I suggest you send those kids for the Alim course, and thereafter let them do their cecular education. All those aims will be achieved, IF the child is supposed to listen to Allah talking to him.

4. In terms of the worldly the whole world is turning to Islam and there can never be a better opportunity than now to start changing language cultures everywhere.... officially?? ... you might say the spoken arabic is different ... so it would not hurt anyone to learn the basics then move on.... sure, add Arabic to your child's to do list. Infact make it the primary task. But dont limit to it, simply because you want to see him as a doctor or engineer. Let him expand his horizon to which ever language he can. Let him not get limited to treasures of hikmah. The Brilliancy of arabic literature in regards to the uloom of Deen are getting scarce in Arabic. At this moment among the contemporary writings, Urdu books probably offers the most comprehensive and most fulfiling experience for an Alim. One who has not tasted it will not know of it. One who will know of it, will attest to it.

[Acciblyfluila]

1. one reason why urdu is taught in madrasah is because the alimiyyah course is also taught in this language in many many institutes (although it has started being taught in english nowadays - it's not as effective!) so by teaching the children from a young age it will insha allah keep that connection between them and ulama and madaris.

2. it's true. culture comes with one's language. every language has its own culture. just tkae the comparison between urdu and english. for YOU in urdu depending on whom you are addressing different words are use (tu, tum, aap...). whereas in english it's always YOU! no difference therefore no respect.....

3. that isnt really the case now unless the masjid or madrasah committee is still OLD SCHOOL and a bit ice-aged!

4. not really. but you have to think that fir this many years this INDIAN/PAKISTANI teacher has been teaching and he's doing it well. we just cant throw him out for the sake of him not knowing english! that's too british. (again this type of thinking that replace him cos he dont know english is a result of english culture)

5. in a way true. as the norm in society is (salafis) pick up quran or hadith and wot you understand traslate. to be a mufassir one needs to be a MASTER in approximately 15 or 20 differnet arabic subjects (imam suyooti rh)

6. there's NO hadith or ayat that says "if you dont understand wot your reciting in salah or you dont understand the quran your going to hell" or "you wont get reward". infact just reciting with no meaning is a reward initself and a very HIGH level of iman and a miracle of the quran that without understanding one is able to recite the quran and memorise it.

i hope insha allah that my words will be of some benefit

jazakallah
wassalam

SAYFUL_KHALIQ

[Arkadiyas]

I think its beneficial to have both

but i would say Arabic is the priority
After Arabic most of the islamic literature is probably written in Urdu, and i have read translations of urdu books and to be honest i found the translation really bad. Urdu is a bit like Arabic in the sense that you can't truly give it justice in translation

Did Farsi used to be part of the Aalim syllabus? i noticed how many of the ulemah in the past were fluent in farsi too.

[ebonytipchik]

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6. there's NO hadith or ayat that says "if you dont understand wot your reciting in salah or you dont understand the quran your going to hell" or "you wont get reward". infact just reciting with no meaning is a reward initself and a very HIGH level of iman and a miracle of the quran that without understanding one is able to recite the quran and memorise it.

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
So you are saying praying salaat without understanding what you say is OK!?? How many times did the Sahaba RA attempt salaat before they received what they wanted from Allah SWT.??

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Originally Posted by sayful_khaliq
6. there's NO hadith or ayat that says "if you dont understand wot your reciting in salah or you dont understand the quran your going to hell" or "you wont get reward". infact just reciting with no meaning is a reward initself and a very HIGH level of iman and a miracle of the quran that without understanding one is able to recite the quran and memorise it.

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
So you are saying praying salaat without understanding what you say is OK!?? How many times did the Sahaba RA attempt salaat before they received what they wanted from Allah SWT.??

Yes such salah is valid

Although it is better to know what is being said.

[Acciblyfluila]

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Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
So you are saying praying salaat without understanding what you say is OK!?? How many times did the Sahaba RA attempt salaat before they received what they wanted from Allah SWT.??

assalamu alaikum w w
im sorry but i dont understand what you are trying to say????

[Guloqkcm]

So you are saying praying salaat without understanding what you say is OK!?? How many times did the Sahaba RA attempt salaat before they received what they wanted from Allah SWT.??

What are you talking about? You don't need to master Sarf or Nahw to know what you are reading in your Salah. I'm very happy that I know Urdu to some extent and am eager to learn Arabic, too. If I could master these two languages and add Farsi to it, a dream would come true for me.

Btw. I don't know why always those from Urdu background are made guilty for the lack of Arabic in the Ummah. From my experience practising Muslims from the Subcontinent love the Arabic language and would never stop someone from studying it in a proper way.

[exschke]

I don't understand why the two have to compete. I''m currently studying Arabic right now, and I'd love to learn Urdu and Farsi afterwards, because many great books are in those languages.

Was it not Shaikh Abdul Fattah Abu Ghuddah who lamented at the amount of knowledge that was locked away in Urdu books?
The same could be said about Farsi. Shah Waliullah , just to give an example, wrote something like half his books in Farsi.