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Different examples but all of one commonality, one point which unites them, purify the filth and make it good, remove the wrong and aand make it right. All I did is took you step by step until you realise your mistake.

You don't even know which example to take in which situation. You are totally messing up everything. Lets change example then to satisfy your requirement. Would you recycle the waste water coming out of your toilet and use it for consumption?

Rule is one, purify the unclean, correct the wrong, in all the cases. You are just arguing because YOU FEEL THREATENED BY BRELWIS PRESENCE IN YOUR FORUM. Have you been blessed with Ilm Ghayb to know what I feel inside now? And to be honest with you, barelwis are the last ones I will ever feel threatened of.

With out any comparision to you, me or any being, I am just explaining a point about human nature with this example. Explaining human nature with the example of a bucket of dirty water? How strange is that


If a lion goes to another lions terroritory there is tension if they face each other, and even a fight, reason is protection of interests, their female partners, and food. Same is happening here, I have come here in your territory, you wouldnt be a normal human being if you didnt subconciously feel threatened, and act in way which is unlike you. Again wrong example used. Sunniforum.com is not a territory and no one is here to protect his/her own interests, female partners, and food. This forum is a Sunni forum, for people like you and me who are from the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaa and the aim is to exchange information for the education of each other, not to protect a territory

Do you see your self disputing with your own Deobandi brother if he had said the things I wrote initially, be honest to your self would you? I gaurantee you you wouldnt have. How can you guarantee that? Again, are you blessed with Ilm Ghyab to claim this? And why would I not counter a Deobandi brother if he is spreading wrong information? As I said, the aim here is to educate each other about the truth, not to protect a certain deobandi brother even if he is wrong. The fight is to use Haqq as a weapon to eliminate baatil.

I understand what you are doing, and what you doing is natural human beings pshycological make up. But when it reaches malicious levels, and levels where opposing person fails to see reason, and anything goes, then you should sit on your own, and let your mind wonder freely about your actions so you might learn something about your own self, how you work. Those who dont know why they do something, say something they are the easist targets of shaytan, learn to analyze your own thoughts why you do say something to someone, and why not say the same to another in same condition, this is called Tazkiyah An Nafs in Sufi circles. You are so right in what you said here. If only you would adapt it in your situation, then we would not have had to deal with certain issues that you are posting here.

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I am sorry i made mistake, i will repent from the shirkia, and kuffria, thing i said, ashadu al la ilaha il allah wa ashadu an'na muhammedur rasoolAllah.

I admit defeat Deobandi Antivirus wins the debate, i conceed defeat, i throw in the towel. You can hold your head high now.

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I did not reffer to Hasam Ul Haramain, I quoted from Tazir Un Naas directly. The issue isnt whats quoted in Hasam Ul Haramain, the issue is what Maulvi Qasim Nanotavi write in Tazir Un Naas according to Islamic teachings or not. And if we decide its unislamic, then there is no need to go to Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwis quote of Tazir Un Naas, because if the original part from Tazir Un Naas doesnt represent the ISLAMIC teachings, then we can autometically assume Imam Ahmad Raza Khans quote also did point the unislamic nature of statement. And if we come to conclusion that Maulvi Qasim Nanotavi did not write something UnIslamic in Tazir Un Naas, then we can discuss the subject: DID IMAM AHMAD RAZA KHAN BARELWI FALSELY TRANSLATED TAZIR UN NAAS IN ARABIC? To see if the wrong translation was which convinced the Arab Ulamah of Takfir of Maulvi Qasim Nanotavi, if the wrong translation, and mis representation was the cause then we will have no choice but to accept that Arab Ulamah were deceived by Sayyidi Ala Hazrat Imam e Ahle Sunnat Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi.

Sigh x 1000

Did you read this? http://www.alislam.co.za/uploads/dow...20Part%202.pdf

If you had then you would not have been producing such types of words here. Truely, its a waste of time to even try to clarify your misconceptions because you are not even attempting to know what the truth is. You are only defending your own beliefs to bids without even trying to open up your mind and face reality and truth

Please brother, in my next post i will once again repost my previous post, and the reason for this is i want to keep things simple. Answer the question, if you like I will provide scanned pages of Tazir Un Naas statement, i have three different copies of Tazir Un Naas.
This is exactly what you should do. Please provide the complete information about each of the three copies in terms of publishers name, date of publishing etc etc.

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@abuhajira

Tazir Un Naas, by Maulvi Qasim Nanotavi:

"Agir bilfarz bad zamana Nabvi [saw] is'see zameen meh kohi Nabi peda ho toh phir Khatamiyat e Muhammedi meh farq nah ahay ga. Cha'h jahay kay aap kay ma'sir kissi aur zameen meh aur Nabi tajweez keeya jahay toh phir bee aap kee KHATAMIAT BADASTOOR QAHIM RAHAY GEE"

"Suppose if after the time of Prophet {sallalahu alayhi was'salam} in this world another Prophet is born, even then the Finality of Prophet Muhammed will not be effected. ..."

Based on that one statement of Maulvi Qasim Nanotavi, I have question:

* Suppose If a Prophet is born after RasoolAllah sallalahu alayhi was'salam will the finality of Prophet Muhammed be effected or not?

Muhamemd Ali Razvi

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Answer my question:

* Suppose If a Prophet is born after RasoolAllah sallalahu alayhi was'salam will the finality of Prophet Muhammed be effected or not?

Forget long discussions keep it simple and easy for reader.

I'll let Mawlana Qasim Nanautwi reply to your question:

"There is no possibility of another Nabi coming after Rasulullaah and I regard as a Kaafir any person who doubts this." (Munaazarah Ajeebiyyah Pg. 103)

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I have noticed you, if you trying to impress me, you havnt. I have asked fifty times now, can me and the Maulana discuss without anyone else butting in, but it seems you do not have decency to respect someones wish.

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I am sorry i made mistake, i will repent from the shirkia, and kuffria, thing i said, ashadu al la ilaha il allah wa ashadu an'na muhammedur rasoolAllah.

I admit defeat Deobandi Antivirus wins the debate, i conceed defeat, i throw in the towel. You can hold your head high now.

This isnt a Munazra where one will come out winner and the other a loser. This is an educational forum where Haqq prevails. If you admit that Haqq has prevailed upon your batil beliefs then for sure you need to concede defeat. May Allah grants us all hidayah to be on the correct path. Ameen

P.S: I aint even a deobandi because there is a long long way for me to go in order to consider myself a deobandi

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I have noticed you, if you trying to impress me, you havnt.

Blessed with Ilm Ghayb again? Wasn't my intention at all. But if you have not been impressed with haqq, then there is a long way for you to go my friend.


I have asked fifty times now, can me and the Maulana discuss without anyone else butting in, but it seems you do not have decency to respect someones wish. I'll grant you your wish. I'll let Mawlana Abuhajira Saheb deal with you. Its going to be a tough ride for you akhi, so be prepared

I am out of this thread now to please you

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I'll let Mawlana Qasim Nanautwi reply to your question:

"There is no possibility of another Nabi coming after Rasulullaah and I regard as a Kaafir any person who doubts this." (Munaazarah Ajeebiyyah Pg. 103)

If someone read my question, and read your and read Maulana Qasim nanotavis answer, they will conclude both of you have difficulty in understanding the question, or you have difficulty in reading urdu, or understanding it.

You should read this part carefully:

* Muhal ko agar farz keeya jahay toh farz kernay say joh nateeja nikalta heh us ko biyaan keeya jata heh.

Implication of which is:

* Suppose of a angel because human being, he will look like a human being.

It would be illogical, and ignorance of linguistics:

* suppose if a angel was to become a human being he would look like angles.

And if someone was to ask question:

* suppose if angel was to becme human being, would he look like angel or human?

And if someone was to answer that presupposed question with:

* If angel was to become human being, then he will still look like angel.

or he was to answer it:

* There is no possibility of angel becoming human being, and i regard anyone crazy who beleives it can happen.

We will know, the status of knowledge of such person, and question his sanity. A Presupposed scenario requires answer based on the scenario actually is taking place, even though its a supposition.

* Suppose if a man was planning to jump from a house to commit suicide, and you had a big soft cushy matress will yu place it under the place where he was planing to fall to death?

Answer one: if that was to happen i would palce it in place where he was planing to land to death.

Answer two: it would happened, and anyone who beleives it could, he is crazy, its just a supposition.

You are just embrassing your self with none-sense. I recogmend let the Maulana Abu Hajira represent your side of things, he is more educated, and alot more intelligent, and would not make a fool of his side {i.e. Deobandi}. All you are doing is making your side of things look bad, very bad, and if you are trying to paint a rosey and flowery image of Deobandi side, so far you only painting a picture which shows STUPIDITY.

There is nothing which you will quote from Maulana Qasim Nanotavi which i have not already understood, and before you get high might, try to understand FIRST 30 LINES of Tazir Un Naas, and trust me, you wont be able to, I read Tazir Un Naas, and have even wrote little sharh on it. Tazir Un Naas is not for hallow skull people, reasoning is complex, requires good knowledge of logic, philsophical reasonin, and Kalam. And you need to know language Urdu, inside out, your college grade urdu isnt good enough to understand that book.

And for you to get into dicussion with me about Tazir Un Naas is like you debating about grammar of Shakespear with your limited knowledge of English. So dont act smarter then you are.

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If someone read my question, and read your and read Maulana Qasim nanotavis answer, they will conclude both of you have difficulty in understanding the question, or you have difficulty in reading urdu, or understanding it.

You should read this part carefully:

* Muhal ko agar farz keeya jahay toh farz kernay say joh nateeja nikalta heh us ko biyaan keeya jata heh.

Implication of which is:

* Suppose of a angel because human being, he will look like a human being.

It would be illogical, and ignorance of language to say:

* suppose if a angel was to become a human being he would look like angles.

And if someone was to ask question:

* suppose if angel was to becme human being, would he look like angel or human?

And if someone was to answer that presupposed question with:

* If angel was to become human being, then he will still look like angel.

or he was to answer it:

* There is no possibility of angel becoming human being, and i regard anyone crazy who beleives it can happen.

We will know, the status of knowledge of such person, and question his sanity. A Presupposed scenario requires answer based on the scenario.

* Suppose if a man was planning to jump from a house to commit suicide, and you had a big soft cushy matress will yu place it under the place where he was planing to fall to death?

Answer one: if that was to happen i would palce it in place where he was planing to land to death.

Answer two: it would happened, and anyone who beleives it could, he is crazy, its just a supposition.

You are just embrassing your self with none-sense. I recogmend let the Maulana Abu Hajira represent your side of things, he is more educated, and alot more intelligent, and would not make a fool of his side {i.e. Deobandi}.

ROFL . I will let the viewers decide who is making a fool of himself here. To be honest with you, I am not sure whether our Barelwi brothers reading this thread will be proud of your posts but khair. As wise people say: Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

On this note, I end my contribution to this thread (truely this time). I'll leave you in the safe hands of Mawlana Abuhajira Saheb

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@abuhajira

Tazir Un Naas, by Maulvi Qasim Nanotavi:

"Agir bilfarz bad zamana Nabvi [saw] is'see zameen meh kohi Nabi peda ho toh phir Khatamiyat e Muhammedi meh farq nah ahay ga. Cha'h jahay kay aap kay ma'sir kissi aur zameen meh aur Nabi tajweez keeya jahay toh phir bee aap kee KHATAMIAT BADASTOOR QAHIM RAHAY GEE"

"Suppose if after the time of Prophet {sallalahu alayhi was'salam} in this world another Prophet is born, even then the Finality of Prophet Muhammed will not be effected. ..."

Based on that one statement of Maulvi Qasim Nanotavi, I have question:

* Suppose If a Prophet is born after RasoolAllah sallalahu alayhi was'salam will the finality of Prophet Muhammed be effected or not?

Muhamemd Ali Razvi

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ROFL . I will let the viewers decide who is making a fool of himself here. To be honest with you, I am not sure whether our Barelwi brothers reading this thread will be proud of your posts but khair. As wise people say: Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

On this note, I end my contribution to this thread (truely this time). I'll leave you in the safe hands of Mawlana Abuhajira Saheb You can always invite few barelwi brothers, and ask them what they think. If shaytaan could see his fault, in his logic, in his reasoning, he would not be kaffir, unfortunately humans are blind to see the right from wrong when they are convinced of something. I have hopelessly argued with those Shias who consider Ali radiallah tallah anh to be RABB, ALLAH, and none is seemed to realise their kuffr, and Shirk, they are convinced they beleive in Quran truely and Ali radiallah tallah is truely RABB and Allah. Human nature is that when it is fed falsehood so often, and it combines with emotional atachment, it blinds the person to truth, no reasoning, evidence is enough to convince him otherwise. And I am afraid same is true with you, you are so lost in your own TRUTHS, that you see THE TRUTH as falsehood. I changed from being Ghaali Deobandi to sacha, sucha, sunni, but it was hard work, alot of dua, and alot of thinking, and Allahs guidance.

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My evaluation:

Radiating Ali= Mujaddid ul Ummah of this age (other "so called" Mujaddids of past are nothing comparing to him)+ The only authentic scholar in the world (who has learnt 'ilm himself and has a super developed brain)+ Only he is the person can detect which is right or wrong (other scholars are jahil)

(I've evaluated these virtues by reading his posts.)

@ Radiating ali:

I think you've mistaken to register in the right forum. People of this forum aren't capable to realise your deep knowledge. There is an another forum (of "Green flag party"!) ***** where there are a plenty of connoisseurs to realise your wisdom.

[Nurse_sero]

My evaluation:

Radiating Ali= Mujaddid ul Ummah of this age (other "so called" Mujaddids of past are nothing comparing to him)+ The only authentic scholar in the world (who has learnt 'ilm himself and has a super developed brain)+ Only he is the person can detect which is right or wrong (other scholars are jahil)

(I've evaluated these virtues by reading his posts.)

@ Radiating ali:

I think you've mistaken to register in the right forum. People of this forum aren't capable to realise your deep knowledge. There is an another forum (of "Green flag party"!) sunniforum .net where there are a plenty of connoisseurs to realise your wisdom.

[janeloveslifenow]

My evaluation:

Radiating Ali= Mujaddid ul Ummah of this age (other "so called" Mujaddids of past are nothing comparing to him)+ The only authentic scholar in the world (who has learnt 'ilm himself and has a super developed brain)+ Only he is the person can detect which is right or wrong (other scholars are jahil)

(I've evaluated these virtues by reading his posts.)

@ Radiating ali:

I think you've mistaken to register in the right forum. People of this forum aren't capable to realise your deep knowledge. There is an another forum (of "Green flag party"!) sunniforum .net where there are a plenty of connoisseurs to realise your wisdom.

Instead of taking pot shots, it would be better to leave radiatingAli and the Moulana to academically disscuss/debate the topic at hand.

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The 73 sects were result of maulvi's and their wishful thinking, if they were so immune, intelligent, and mistakeless we would not have 72 sects going to hell, its the scholars which ruin for the common folk, its the scholars which destroy the imaan of common folk because of their faults, and the poor common folk pay for mistakes, and transgressions, of scholars. The day you sat down and thought about what I wrote here, it will open alot of clsed parts of your brain.

@Spooned

Sorry brother my fone battery died. I was lovely chatting to you. When you free would love to meet up with you.

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@abuhajira

Lets discuss the statemetn of Tazir Un Naas, not what is in Hasam Ul Haramain, but the statement in Tazir Un Naas.

Tazir Un Naas, by Maulvi Qasim Nanotavi:

"Agir bilfarz bad zamana Nabvi [saw] is'see zameen meh kohi Nabi peda ho toh phir Khatamiyat e Muhammedi meh farq nah ahay ga. Cha'h jahay kay aap kay ma'sir kissi aur zameen meh aur Nabi tajweez keeya jahay toh phir bee aap kee KHATAMIAT BADASTOOR QAHIM RAHAY GEE"

"Suppose if after the time of Prophet {sallalahu alayhi was'salam} in this world another Prophet is born, even then the Finality of Prophet Muhammed will not be effected. ..."

Based on that one statement of Maulvi Qasim Nanotavi, I have question:

* Suppose If a Prophet is born after RasoolAllah sallalahu alayhi was'salam will the finality of Prophet Muhammed be effected or not?

Muhamemd Ali Razvi

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Maulana Abu Hajira sahib can you please answer the question. It can be answered with one line if you want answer to be long, or one word if you want to be brief. I am sure you have enough time to do that.

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This is a typical paki-indian, maulvi mentality, when two want to talk, the baboons in their groups cant help but butt in.

Let make this thread into a everything goes, shias qadiyanis, join in please we all going to dicuss what is right and wrong, in one thread, christians join in please, and jews why are you hiding behind computers join in this thread is created to discuss every problem of world, pakistani salman taseer supporter share ur opinion in this thread, atheists join and prove there is no god, and all religios zealots who love suicide bombing babies, and nurseries please share in this thread why you are right, this thread is everything goes, anyone has doubts about pig being haram, discuss why it should be halal according to you, everyone join it, THERE ARE ALOT OF STUPID PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD, WHY SHOULD BE DEPRIVED.

A american dog is better then most people if u tell it to sit, it sits down until told to move, but this bunch of ashraf ul makhlooqat cant respect one thing, LEAVE US ALONE SO WE CAN DICUSS ISSUES BETWEEN TWO OF US. Animals are gaining upper hand over humans when it comes to common courtesy.

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This is a typical paki-indian,

Its forums, and the thread is about deception, so these all are part of it.