[Eromaveabeara]

Is the incident about the Prophet Ayub about him being infected with that illness for so many years(i think he was infected with some type of insect eating away at his body)a authentic narration? Is it mentioned in the Quran?Authentic Ahadith?

[orison]

Is the incident about the Prophet Ayub about him being infected with that illness for so many years(i think he was infected with some type of insect eating away at his body)a authentic narration? Is it mentioned in the Quran?Authentic Ahadith?

"Prophet Ayub (pbuh) was afflicted with the trial of sickness in his body for eighteen, thirteen, seven or three years according to the several opinions that are reported" (Tafseer Ruh Al Maani)

Talk on: The Dua, the Sabr, and Thankfulness of Prophet Ayub(AS); http://miftahuljannah.org/trans/m31-05-09.mp3
also many other talks by various scholors ( http://miftahuljannah.org/archive.html)

"And Ayub, when he cried to his Lord, (saying): Harm has afflicted me, and Thou art the most Merciful of the merciful. .... (Surah Anbiya : Ayat 83-84);

[Eromaveabeara]

I only ask because I heard a talk by a well known shaykh stating that the incident of the illness is not correct as a Prophet not does befit having such a illness. Took me by surprise too when I heard it. No,before anyone asks, I will not be giving the name of the shaykh.

[jinnsamys]

I only ask because I heard a talk by a well known shaykh stating that the incident of the illness is not correct as a Prophet not does befit having such a illness. Took me by surprise too when I heard it. No,before anyone asks, I will not be giving the name of the shaykh.

One hears many weird things from the mimbar sometimes

On Thursday night the Imam in a local musjid said that the amaal of the living are put forth to the dead family members on a Friday.... needless to say he didnt give any reference.

I told one brother about it, he said " Muhammad I dont listen to anything from that Imam because he never gives a reference for anything he says "

Our ulama need to get into the habbit for referencing the hadiths and stories they mention, especially those that awaam are not well aware of or goes against the grain..

[Hetgvwic]

Enigma, it may be worthwile listening to the bayaan 'Hazrat-Ayub-(AS)-Ke-Sabr', by the late Qari Mohammed Haneef Multani, available here

, one of my favourite bayaans by the late Qari saab, and they narrate the story beautifully - I cannot reccommend this bayaan enough!!!

[Eromaveabeara]

One hears many weird things from the mimbar sometimes

On Thursday night the Imam in a local musjid said that the amaal of the living are put forth to the dead family members on a Friday.... needless to say he didnt give any reference.

I told one brother about it, he said " Muhammad I dont listen to anything from that Imam because he never gives a reference for anything he says "

Our ulama need to get into the habbit for referencing the hadiths and stories they mention, especially those that awaam are not well aware of or goes against the grain..

It was not from the mimbar and the scholar is someone of very high repute. He is not only a scholar but a very well renowned shaykh in tassawwuf too. I listened to the audio several times,over and over again just to make sure I was not mishearing what I was hearing.

I agree in some respects but does his(the imam who you heard) comment have any actual weight. I mean lots of people say lots of things in their talks and so long as they are able to provide a reference,not necessarily during the discourse/lecture, then I don't think its a issue.

I mean if smeone asked him after the talk about the reference and he refused,then thats another matter, but giving references during the talk, sometimes its not possible nor practical.

[Eromaveabeara]

Enigma, it may be worthwile listening to the bayaan 'Hazrat-Ayub-(AS)-Ke-Sabr', by the late Qari Mohammed Haneef Multani, available here

, one of my favourite bayaans by the late Qari saab, and they narrate the story beautifully - I cannot reccommend this bayaan enough!!!

I may not get the time to listen to the bayaan but I shall try. But any chance you can clarify my original post? Did the incident happen in the way it is generally reported to Prophet Ayub:alaihis: . Not talking about the length of time of the illness but the illness itself.

[Hetgvwic]

I may not get the time to listen to the bayaan but I shall try. But any chance you can clarify my original post? Did the incident happen in the way it is generally reported to Prophet Ayub:alaihis: . Not talking about the length of time of the illness but the illness itself.

My understanding is that the illness itself was 'leprosy', and beacuse of this and small insects/ants would be able to walk over the body of Hazrat Ayub (AS) [due to their limited mobility]. When these insects would climb off the blessed body of Hazrat Ayub (AS), Hazrat Ayub (AS), would pick them up & place them on his body himself, and say, "Allah has made my body your home, where are you going" (or words to that effect....)

I should also point out that you mentioned, "the shaykh stated that a Prophet not does befit having such a illness" - true, but this illnes came about after the shaitaan said to Allah that he [Hazrat Ayub (AS)], is only steadfast in your worship, because he has everything he needs in this world, (ie, Hazrat Ayub (AS) has faced/is facing no difficulties so why should he not worship you - he is so blessed, it's obvious he will do your abadat)

To this, Allah replies that Hazrat Ayub (AS) is a true and firm believer, and will continue to worship me, even in hardship & allows shaitaan to test Hazrat Ayub (AS) to prove the point....

The illness itself was then initiated 'by the shaitaan', (through the power of Allah (SWT), of course)

Brother, I do no justice to the events in my post, and ask Allah to forgive me if I have not been able to give you all the necessary, 100% information...Read the tafseer of Surah Ambiya, and/or listen to the bayaan....

This, alongside the other stories of Prophets in the Quran, I find truly amazing...

[somamasoso]

(i think he was infected with some type of insect eating away at his body)?

Assalam o 'alaykum,

Mawlana Sarfaraz Khan mentioned in his tafsir lecture that the above is not true as a Prophet doesn't befit such an illness.

[Cgnebksb]

Assalam o 'alaykum,

Mawlana Sarfaraz Khan mentioned in his tafsir lecture that the above is not true as a Prophet doesn't befit such an illness.

So if the above mentioned is not true, which I concur with from my limited knowledge gained from scholars, what about the following?;

My understanding is that the illness itself was 'leprosy', and beacuse of this and small insects/ants would be able to walk over the body of Hazrat Ayub (AS) [due to their limited mobility]. When these insects would climb off the blessed body of Hazrat Ayub (AS), Hazrat Ayub (AS), would pick them up & place them on his body himself, and say, "Allah has made my body your home, where are you going" (or words to that effect....)

[Eromaveabeara]

Assalam o 'alaykum,

Mawlana Sarfaraz Khan mentioned in his tafsir lecture that the above is not true as a Prophet doesn't befit such an illness.

So what was the illness and what did these insects do?

What is reported in actual narrations, from classical mufasireen.

Im not arguing with you,but isnt the comment 'it does not befit a Prophet' somewhat subjective? I mean could that line of argument not be used for alot of other things?

I simply want to know the stance from the Quran,Ahadith,the companions and the early scholars.

Has Mawlana Sarfaraz mentioned 'it does not befit a Prophet' from his own understanding or was that the stance of the Prophet , the companions and the early scholars?

or does it mean the illness did not happen? Im trying to ascertain what part of 'does not befit a Prophet' the mawlana means.

[viagradiscounttt]

Assalam o 'alaykum,

Mawlana Sarfaraz Khan mentioned in his tafsir lecture that the above is not true as a Prophet doesn't befit such an illness.

Similarly, Shaykh Muhammad Salih Farfur, in his al-Risalah al-Nafi'ah, mentions that the anbiya' cannot suffer from those diseases that detract people away from them and that the narrations regarding Sayyiduna Ayyub 'alaihissalam are incorrect and from the isra'iliyyat. As such, what he was inflicted with was a regular illness.

[Qzmsdoem]

So what was the illness and what did these insects do?

What is reported in actual narrations, from classical mufasireen.

Im not arguing with you,but isnt the comment 'it does not befit a Prophet' somewhat subjective? I mean could that line of argument not be used for alot of other things?

I simply want to know the stance from the Quran,Ahadith,the companions and the early scholars.

Has Mawlana Sarfaraz mentioned 'it does not befit a Prophet' from his own understanding or was that the stance of the Prophet , the companions and the early scholars?

or does it mean the illness did not happen? Im trying to ascertain what part of 'does not befit a Prophet' the mawlana means.

About Ayyub (as) from Ibn Kathir:

Ibn Ishaq stated that he was a man of Rum. His names was Ayub Ibn Mose Ibn Razeh Ibn Esau Ibn Isaac Ibn Abraham. Someone else said he was Ayub Ibn Mose Ibn Rimil Ibn Esau Ibn Isaac Ibn Jacob. There have also been other statements in his lineage. Ibn Asakir narrated that his mother was a daughter of Prophet Lut. It was said, also, that his father was one who believed in Abraham when he was cast into the fire. The first opinion is the most plausible as he was a descendant of Abraham's offspring as Allah Almighty declared:
"That was the reasoning about Us which We gave to Abraham (to use) against his people: We raise whom We will degree after degree: for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge. We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) We guided: and before him We guided Noah and before him We guided Noah and among his progeny David Solomon Ayub Joseph Moses and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good" Quran 6:83-84

Allah the Almighty praised Ayub in His Glorious Quran:
"Truly! We found him patient. How excellent a slave! Verily, he was ever oft-returning in repentance to Us" Quran 38:44
Ayub was repentant, remembering Allah with thankfulness, patience and steadfastness. This was the cause of his rescue and the secret of Allah's praising him.

A group of angels were discussing Allah's other human creatures, how those who were humble earned Allah's displease, while those who were arrogant incurred His displeasure. One of the angels remarked:
"The best creature on earth today is Ayub, a man of noble character who displays excellent patience and always remembers his Generous Lord. He is an excellent model for the worshippers of Allah. In return, his Lord has blessed him with a long life and plenty of riches, yet he is never haughty or selfish. His family, his servants, as well as the needy and the poor share in his good fortune; he feeds and clothes the poor and buys slaves to set them free. He makes those who receive his charity feel as if they are favouring him, so kind and gentle is he."

Iblis, overhearing all this, became annoyed. He planned to tempt Ayub to corruption and disbelief, so he hastened to him. He tried to distract Ayub from his prayers by whispering to him about the good things in life, but Ayub was a true believer and would not let evil thoughts tempt him. This disturbed Iblis more; thus he began to hate Ayub even more.

Iblis complained to Allah about Ayub. He said that although he was continuously glorifying Allah, he was not doing so out of his sincerity but to satisfy Allah so that his wealth should not be taken away. It was all a show, all out of greed. "If You remove his wealth then You will find that his tongue will no longer mention Your name and his praying will stop."

Allah told Iblis that Ayub was one of His most sincere devotees. He did not worship Him because of the favors; his worship stemmed from his heart and had nothing to do with material things. But to prove Iblis the depth of Ayub' s sincerity and patience, Allah allowed him to do whatever he and his helpers wished with Ayub's wealth.

Iblis was very happy. He gathered his helpers and set about destroying Ayub's cattle, servants, and farms until he was left with no possessions. Rubbing his hands in glee, Iblis appeared before Ayub in the guise of a wise old man and said to him:

"All your wealth is lost. Some people say that it is because you gave too much charity and that you are wasting your time with your continuous prayers to Allah. Others say that Allah has bought this upon you in order to please your enemies. If Allah had the capacity to prevent harm, then He would have protected your wealth"

True to his belief, Ayub replied: "What Allah has taken away from me belongs to Him. I was only its trustee for a while. He gives to whom He wills and withholds from whom He wills"

With these words, Ayub again prostrated to his Lord.
When Iblis saw this, he felt frustrated, so he again addressed Allah:
"I have stripped Ayub of all his possessions, but he still remains grateful to You. However, he is only hiding his disappointment, for he places great store by his many children. The real test of a parent is through him children. You will then see how Ayub will reject You"

Allah granted Iblis authority, but warned him that it would not reduce Ayub's faith in his Lord nor his patience.
Iblis again gathered his helpers and set about his evil deeds. He shook the foundation of the house in which Ayub's children were living and sent the building crashing, killing all of them. Then he went to Ayub disguised as a man who had come to sympathize with him. In a comforting tone he said to Ayub: "The circumstances under which your children died were sad. Surely, your Lord is not rewarding you properly for all your prayers?"

Having said this Iblis waited anxiously, hoping Ayub was now ready to reject Allah. But again Ayub disappointed him by replying:
"Allah sometimes gives and sometimes takes. He is sometimes pleased and sometimes displeased with our deeds. Whether a thing is beneficial or harmful to me, I will remain firm in my belief and remain thankful to my Creator"

Then Ayub prostrated to his Lord. At this Iblis was extremely vexed. Iblis again called on Allah:

"O my Lord, Ayub's wealth is gone, his children are dead, but he is still healthy in body, and as long as he enjoys good health he will continue to worship You in the hope of regaining his wealth and producing more children. Grant me authority over his body so that I may weaken it. He will surely neglect worshipping You and withh thus becomes disobedient"

Allah wanted to teach Iblis a lesson that Ayub was a devoted servant of his Lord, so He granted Iblis his third request but placed a condition:
"I give you authority over his body but not over his soul, intellect, or heart, for in these places reside the knowledge of Me and My religion"

Armed with this new authority, Iblis began to take revenge on Ayub's body and filled it with disease until it was reduced to mere skin and bone and he suffered severe pain. But through all the suffering Ayub remained string in his faith, patiently bearing all the hardships without complaining. Allah's righteous servant did not despair or turn to others for help but remained hopeful of Allah's Mercy. Even close relatives and friends deserted him. Only his kind loving wife stayed with him. In his hour of need, she showered her kindness on him and cared for him. She remained his sole companion and comforter through many years of his suffering.
Ibn Asakir narrated: "Ayub was a man having much wealth of all kinds: beasts, slaves, sheep, vast lands of Haran and many children. All those favors were taken from him and he was physically afflicted as well. Never a single organ was sound except his heart and tongue, with both of which he glorified Allah, the Almighty all the time day and night. His disease lasted for a long time until his visitors felt disgusted with him. His friend kept away from him, and people abstained from visiting him. No one felt sympathy for him except his wife. She took good care of him, knowing his former charity and pity for her"

Therefore, Iblis became desperate. He consulted his helpers but they could not advise him. They asked:
"How is it that your cleverness cannot work against Ayub, yet you succeeded in misleading Adam, the father of man, out of paradise?"
Iblis went to Ayub's wife in the form of a man. "Where is your husband?" he asked her.
She pointed to an almost lifeless form crumpled on the bed and said: "There he is, suspended between life and death."
Iblis reminded her of the days when Ayub had good health, wealth and children. Suddenly, the painful memory of yeas of hardship overcame her, and she burst into tears. She said to Ayub:
"How long are you going to bear this torture from our Lord? Are we to remain without wealth, children or friends forever? Why don't you call upon Allah to remove this suffering?"
Ayub sighed, and in a soft voice replied:
"Iblis must have whispered to you and made you dissatisfied. Tell me, how long did I enjoy good health and riches?"
She replied, "For eighty years"
Then Ayub asked, "How long am I suffering like this?"
She said, "for seven years"
Then Ayub told her:
"In that case I am ashamed to call on my Lord to remove the hardship, for I have not suffered longer than the years of good health and plenty. It seems your faith has weakened and you are dissatisfied with the fate of Allah. If I ever again health, I swear I will punish you with a hundred strokes! From this day onward, I forbid myself to eat or drink anything from your hand. Leave me alone and let my Lord do with me as He pleases."

Crying bitterly and with a heavy heart, she had no choice but to leave him and seek shelter elsewhere. In his helpless state, Ayub turned to Allah, notto complain but to seek His mercy:
"Verily, distress has seized me, and You are the Most Merciful of all those who show Mercy. So We answered his call, and We removed the distress that was on him, and We restored his family to him (that he had lost) and the like thereof along with them - as a mercy from Ourselves and a Reminder for all who whorship Us" Quran 21:83-84

Almighty Allah also instructed:
"Commemorate Our servant Ayub behold he cried to his Lord: "The Evil One has afflicted me with distress and suffering"! (The command was given "Strike with thy foot: here is (water) wherein to wash cool and refreshing and (water) to drink." And We gave him (back) his people and doubled their number as a Grace from Ourselves and a thing for commemoration for all who have Understanding." Quran 38:41-43

Ayub obeyed, and almost immediately his good health was restored. Meanwhile, his faithful wife could no longer bear to be parted from her husband and returned to beg his forgiveness, desiring to serve him. On entering he house, she was amazed at the sudden change: Ayub was again healthy! She embraced him and thanked Allah for His mercy...........

WS.