[Hoijdxvh]

why did this brother make hijrah and why did he choose syria?

what were his reasons for returning?

Wa iyyak!

The brother wanted a more Islamic environment for his children etc. He is Palestinian but grew up in Syria and has family there, so I guess that's why he chose Syria.

As for the exact reason for his returning (and I heard the wife and kids are coming back too) I am not sure yet...

[Siffidiolla]

can we break this down please?

im sure most of us are aware that in some certain circumstances hijrah becomes wajib for a muslim who is living in a non-muslim country. i would like to explore specific reasons that would render hijrah wajib.

after this we can discuss if there is a suitable place to make hijrah or not.

is that ok?

Can't wait!

Please quote some fatwas, i don't think there are fatwas of this kind from Ulama of our times.

I will just sit back and see where this discussion leads to.

JazakAllah Khair

Judging by the huge public & private interest in the subject of Hijrah, I have made intention to present the classical opinion from the Hanafi Madhab on the issue of Hijrah and the Fatawa of Shaykh (Mufti) Rasheed Ahmed Ludhyanwi (RA) with some help. I picked Shaykh (RA) because his personality and Services in establishing the Deen of Allah (SWT) are well known and he DID NOT reside in the West (ever) and nor did he EVER shy away from speaking the truth.

It is the dire need of our time to present the classic and most sound opinion of the Madhab on Hijrah, what it entails and when it becomes obligatory to assist people in their intentions and actions.

The Presentation will resolve around the following themes:

1. What is Darul-Harb?
2. What is Darul-Islam?
3. What is Darul-Amn?
4. When does Hijrah become obligatory?

I ask your duas and request your patience while the material is sifted, sorted, analysed, translated & presented.

Jazakullah Khairun

[TubOppomo]

I cant wait

[sam]

I cant wait

Co-signing. Hurry up, Hadhrat!

[cewIdeatovace]

Nice thread and look forward with interest

[S.T.D.]

All,

Folks let’s have a polite and Academic discussion on the issue.

South Africa is a Non-Muslim country ruled by Non-Muslims but to the best of knowledge:

a) It DOES NOT restrict or impede the practise of Islamic Shariah
b) It IS NOT AT WAR with Islam or Muslims (Actually, I don't know???Do they have troops in Afghanistan or Iraq or elsewhere in Muslim lands on combat duty?)

So why:

1) Is it Wajib to make Hijrah from South Africa?
2) Is it prudent or beneficial to move from South Africa where a man can have a Beard or woman can cover her face to a place like Tunisia or Libya where both are extremely difficult?

What and When?

Does Hijrah become Wajib from Non-Muslim lands is it when the Islamic practises are suppressed or is it when the Government is at war with Muslims?

And more importantly clear text to prove your stance.



P.S: What about Reverts or 3rd/4th Generation Muslims who are born there? Does the same Hukum apply to them?

wasalaam

well to get straight to the point ITS HARAAM TO LIVE IN NON MUSLIM LANDS AND THE PROPHET (SAW) SPOKE HARSHLY AGAISNT THOSE WHO DID. nothing to discuss. whether scholars in the west are going to say this openly or not is there choice. make dua i get a job abroad iv had enough of here. just got caught in the rain

[Siffidiolla]

wasalaam

well to get straight to the point ITS HARAAM TO LIVE IN NON MUSLIM LANDS AND THE PROPHET (SAW) SPOKE HARSHLY AGAISNT THOSE WHO DID. nothing to discuss. whether scholars in the west are going to say this openly or not is there choice. make dua i get a job abroad iv had enough of here. just got caught in the rain

Where?

[Jimambol]

Where?

he might be referring to the hadith about not living so close to the kuffar that you can see their fires. cant find the hadith but im sure you know which one i mean. i would really like to know the explanation of this hadith and what the ulama say about it.

[S.T.D.]

salaam

i cant remember where i read the hadith but the words where along the lines ' whomsoever lives amonst the kuffar 1) is not amongst us or 2) i have no concern from them 'i cant rememember the which of the 2 endings it was. as for mufti rasheed (ra) i beleive he said living amongst the kuffar is like sending sheep to a pack of wolves

[sam]

well to get straight to the point ITS HARAAM TO LIVE IN NON MUSLIM LANDS AND THE PROPHET (SAW) SPOKE HARSHLY AGAISNT THOSE WHO DID. nothing to discuss. whether scholars in the west are going to say this openly or not is there choice. make dua i get a job abroad iv had enough of here. just got caught in the rain

All praises belong to Allah, that Mufti Muhammad Taqi is not from the West.

[S.T.D.]

Emigration To a Non-Muslim Country

By Mufti Taqi Usmani


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Q.) What is the ruling regarding adoption of the nationality of a non-Muslim country? Many people who adopt the nationalities of these countries, or wish to do so insist that they do so only because they are persecuted in their own countries, through imprisonment, threats and intimidation or confiscation of their property etc. Others see no difference between their own countries, which though Muslim, have no Shariah, and those of the West. They contend that whilst both are equal in having no Islamic laws, their personal rights, property and honor are safer in their adopted country, and they will not be imprisoned or persecuted without reason.

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A.) The issue of emigration to a non-Muslim country and permanent settlement there, is one on which the ruling would differ according to the situation, and the reasons for the emigration.

1. If a Muslim is forced by his circumstances to emigrate, e.g. he is persecuted in his country or imprisoned, or his property is confiscated etc., without his having committed any crime, and he sees no way out for himself other than to emigrate to a foreign country, then he would be permitted to do so in such a case without any karahat (abhorrence) whatsoever as long as he resolves to protect his faith, and keep himself away from the widespread evil found there.

2. Similarly, if a Muslim is forced to emigrate due to his financial situation, i.e. he cannot find the necessary means of subsistence despite extensive effort and he sees no alternative other than emigration to a non-Muslim country, then he is permitted to emigrate subject to the above conditions. Earning a livelihood through permissible means is also a duty for a Muslim, after his other fard duties, and the Shariah has not specified a certain place for it. Allah Ta'ala says:

"He is the one who has made the earth manageable for you. So traverse you through its tracts, and enjoy of the sustenance that He furnishes; and unto Him is the resurrection. [Al-Mulk 67:15]

3. If a Muslim adopts the nationality of an non-Muslim country for the purpose of calling its people towards Islam, or to convey Islamic laws to the Muslims residing there, and to encourage them to stay firm on their faith, then this is not only permissible, but also a source of reward. Many of the Sahabah and Tabi'een settled in distant Kuffar lands for this very purpose, and this action of theirs is counted amongst their virtues and points of merit.

4. If a person has enough means of livelihood available to him in his native country for him to be able to live according to the (average) standard of his people, but he emigrates in order to raise his standard of living and live a life of luxury and comfort, then emigration for such a purpose has at least some degree of karahat in it, because such a person is throwing himself into a storm of evil, and endangering his faith and moral character without there being any necessity for it. Experience shows that the people who settle in non-Muslim countries for luxury and comfort find their religious restraint diminishing in the face of many temptations of evil.

5. Finally, if a person adopts a non-Muslim nationality solely for the purpose of increasing his standing in society, and as a matter of pride, or in preference to a Muslim nationality, or in imitation of the Kuffar then all such actions are Haram without exception. There is no need to cite evidence for this.

http://albalagh.net/qa/immig_qa.shtml

[TubOppomo]

wasalaam

well to get straight to the point ITS HARAAM TO LIVE IN NON MUSLIM LANDS AND THE PROPHET (SAW) SPOKE HARSHLY AGAISNT THOSE WHO DID. nothing to discuss. whether scholars in the west are going to say this openly or not is there choice. make dua i get a job abroad iv had enough of here. just got caught in the rain

This issue cant be so cut and dry - if it were - more Ulema would be speaking out about it, now its understandable that some ulema may not speak on the subject, but there would still be a large sector of Ulema who do not fear the west who would say so.

There are so many factors that come into play today -
1. converts in non muslim lands - Do they have to migrate, or can they stay and establish dar islam?

2. the lack of a "Islamic" nation on earth - Syria is ran by kafirs, but they allow sunni Muslims freedoms to practice, just as the Us and canada and venezuala and SA - Is Saudi "Islamic" or is it just populated by Muslims? Is Turkey an okay place to live - or is hijrah wajib there too?

3. the lack of central Islamic authority and ummah cohesion - Where is the dar islam we are supposed to flock too? Whose army do we join to establish and spread dar islam?

4. Historical factors - What did the Sahabah (RA) do? were they disobeying rasoolullah (SAW) when they weant to persia and Indonesia nad the Hind while not on military campaigns?

5. Education - What if a Muslim wants to receive a better education, so they can bring something of bennefit to the Ummah? can he go to the University of Toronto? or must he stay in an impoverished land populated by Muslims?

I dont see any of the hardliner Hijrahis addressing any of these questions - they just say "its wajib - leave - no matter what"

What about establishing Muslim villages in these countries? In this new geo-political climate, Muslims have a secret advantage - In the past, the Kafirs recognized Islams predisposition to spraeding and without war - In Spain, after 1492, the Spanish saw the Islamic influence as a threat and banned Arabic and arabic atire - they knew that when Muslims settle in an area and are left unmolested, we change our enviroment through our actions and our procreation. In modern times, the west has abandoned the tactic of openly outlawing Islam, they have adopted a new system of tollerance, which can be used to the Muslims advantage - We can build new Muslim lands, without war, like Indonesia was built - we can come together, buy land, start bussinesses, engage in politics, elect Muslims to positions of power, and slowly establish Dar islam inside dar kuffar - by using the system they invented, the system they cling too.

[Siffidiolla]

he might be referring to the hadith about not living so close to the kuffar that you can see their fires. cant find the hadith but im sure you know which one i mean. i would really like to know the explanation of this hadith and what the ulama say about it.

salaam

i cant remember where i read the hadith but the words where along the lines ' whomsoever lives amonst the kuffar 1) is not amongst us or 2) i have no concern from them 'i cant rememember the which of the 2 endings it was. as for mufti rasheed (ra) i beleive he said living amongst the kuffar is like sending sheep to a pack of wolves

This one?

باب النَّهْيِ عَنْ قَتْلِ مَنْ اعْتَصَمَ بِالسُّجُودِ
2645 حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادُ بْنُ السَّرِيِّ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ عَنْ إِسْمَعِيلَ عَنْ قَيْسٍ عَنْ جَرِيرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ قَالَ بَعَثَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ سَرِيَّةً إِلَى خَثْعَمٍ فَاعْتَصَمَ نَاسٌ مِنْهُمْ بِالسُّجُودِ فَأَسْرَعَ فِيهِمْ الْقَتْلَ قَالَ فَبَلَغَ ذَلِكَ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَأَمَرَ لَهُمْ بِنِصْفِ الْعَقْلِ وَقَالَ أَنَا بَرِيءٌ مِنْ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ يُقِيمُ بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ قَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ لِمَ قَالَ لَا تَرَاءَى نَارَاهُمَا قَالَ أَبُو دَاوُد رَوَاهُ هُشَيْمٌ وَمَعْمَرٌ وَخَالِدٌ الْوَاسِطِيُّ وَجَمَاعَةٌ لَمْ يَذْكُرُوا جَرِيرًا

Jarīr b. ‘Abdullah is reported to have said that the Messenger of Allah (sallallāhu ‘alayhi wa sallam) sent a battalion to the tribe of Khuth‘um. Some of the members of the tribe sought salvation in performing prostration. However, the battalion hurriedly killed them. When the Messenger of Allah heard of this, he ordered their families to be paid half the amount of blood money and said, “I am free from every Muslim who lives amongst the Polytheists.” We asked, “Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?” He replied, “You could not distinguish between their two fires.” (i.e. between who were Muslims and who were non-Muslims) (Abi Daud)

Hadeeth Type: Mursal
Authenticated by: Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)

Declared weak by:

1. Imam Bukhari (RA)
2. Imam Nasā’i (RA),
3. Imam Abu Hātim al-Rāzi (RA)
4. Imam Dāraqutni (RA)
   And many others...

[S.T.D.]

salaam

no matter how corrupt or evil the rulers of muslim countries are its far better than non muslim countries. there is fitnah and evils in muslim countires i wont deny that but they are not promoted as they are in uk and other non muslim countires. who knows maybe if all the muslims went to muslim lands some good might come out of this

[S.T.D.]

salaam

maybe im not sure but what i gathered from the hadith i came across was we should be with non muslims it seem like a warning. iv posted the fatwa of mufti taqi usmani (ra) and i honestly dont know any one who falls in the catorgies he mentions that allows for it. dawah is not a part time thing speaking to john and harry at work and the odd kafir here and there its a full time thing. i dont know anyone who is a full time daee. even the worse of muslims give the odd dawah to non muslims iv seen this with my own eyes

[bashansasasasa]

You guys should read the links previously posted:

Therefore, it is reported in the ahadith that one should not live with disbelievers unnecessarily.
Abu Dawood narrates from Samrah bin Jundub that the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam)said: "He who mingles with a disbeliever and dwells with him is like him." Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi also report that the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam)said: "I am free (i.e. I disavow myself) from every Muslim who lives with disbelievers." The Sahabah asked "Why, O Messenger of Allah?" He replied "The fires of the two cannot co-exist." Khattabi says in his commentary on this hadith that it has several meanings. One is that the two (a Muslim and a Kafir) are not equal in Hukm (ruling) they both have different rules.

Some scholars take this view. Others explain the meaning as being that Allah has differentiated between the lands of Islam and Kufr and consequently it is not allowed for a Muslim to live amongst disbelievers in their lands, because when the Kuffar light their fires he will be seen as one of them. The scholars also derive from this the ruling that one should not stay in the lands of the Kuffar when visiting for trade etc. (Khattabi, Ma'alim-As-Sunan, K. Jihad, 473 : iii).
Abu Dawood relates from Makhool in his 'Maraseel' that the Prophet ? said: "Do not leave your children amongst enemies (i.e. Kuffar). (Tahzeeb As-Sunan, Ibnul-Qayyim, 437 : iii)
For this reason, some scholars say that living in Kafir countries, and increasing their numbers solely for material wealth, is an action which damages ones 'Adala (integrity). (Takmila Raddul-Mukhtar, p. 101, v. I).

Finally, if a person adopts a non-Muslim nationality solely for the purpose of increasing his standing in society, and as a matter of pride, or in preference to a Muslim nationality, or in imitation of the Kuffar, then all such actions are Haram without exception, and there is no need to cite evidence for this.

http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/...=6964&act=view

[Sleflanna]

Very interesting topic; will wait for Colonel's post to make some considerations insha'Allah...

[gechaheritt]

Tabarani relates with a fair chain (hasan) on the authority of Hasan ibn Salin ibn Basheer ibn Fudaik that he said: Fudaik went to the Messenger of Allah (Upon Him be Peace) and then said "O Allah's Messenger! Verily they claim that whoever doesn't emigrate is destroyed" So Allah's Messenger (Upon him be Peace) said "Establish prayer, pay zakat, abandon iniquity and live in the land of your people where ever you please."

[realfan87]

You may be in Bardford (UK) and these may be in danger.
You may be in Karachi (Pakistan) and these may be in danger.
You may be in Dammam (Saudia) and these may be in danger.

Conversely, you may be in South Africa living a Sunnah life, your family is following the Sunnah and your kids are being brought up in an Islamic environment, would you make Hijrah to Libya/Tunisia/Syria where you “may perhaps” be in a worst Islamic environment?

1. Did Colonel ever manage to translate the Hanafi fatwa?

2. I think hijra to Tunisia and Egypt makes less sense right now.

3. Can someone discuss the above regarding how you can be living in Bradford, Karachi and your iman can be in danger?

jazakallah.

[realfan87]

4. Also, making hijra to Medina KSA also has obvious benefits, should this be an intention of EVERY Muslim? And does anybody know a way to do it in terms of visa, etc without having employment in KSA?

http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/...urial-in-baqi/