[aliceingoogs]

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Shaykh,

What does this mean, can you please explain?

The souls descend in groups. When you notice that Muslims are being born in a particular place in the world where non Muslims dominate then know that the following souls coming are going to comprise heavily of good souls, Muslim souls. This was the kashf of Shah Abdul Aziz Dabbagh ra and I am sure this was the kashf of my shaikh Hazrath Mufti sahib db also. These good souls need an environment where they can survive, where their eeman can be preserved, protected and strengthened otherwise they wont develop properly.

[lovespellszz]

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Shaykh,

What does this mean, can you please explain?

The shaikh is just saying, or even making an observation, that in places in the world that are dominated by disbelievers, if you notice that Muslim children are starting to be born in those places this means that the coming souls are going to be heavily fortunate souls. So its the responsibility of the Muslims already living in such areas that they establish masajid, maktabs, dar ul ulooms etc. where these souls can get their nourishment. If the Muslims of such areas are negligent in providing a deeni environment then these souls will not get their spiritual nourishment, they will go astray.

He says this because in his kashf the souls dont come sporadically like one fortunate soul here and one fortunate soul in another place in the world, but he is saying that they come in large groups to one area at one time. So one large group of souls will be sent to one place at the same time. The world changes like this. If you follow the path of Islam through the ages you will see this is how it set in places that were dominated by non Muslims for a long period of time. First arab land and then gradually going out to ajami areas surrounding it, heading over to hind, then spreading out west, uk, america.

For example now in UK and America there are lots of Muslim children being born, so this means that if the Muslims of this area establish their deen there via masajid maktabs darul uloom work of dawat and tabligh khanqahs etc. then they will be able to accomodate the souls coming who will be heavily comprised of fortunate souls, they will be ready to give these souls the nourishment they need. If they cannot establish their deen in such areas then they will lose the coming souls to disbelief.

Its his kashf so its not like 100% hujjat on deen. Just something he saw and experienced. But it makes sense and gives us a sense of responsibility we have to the future generations. It gives us a sense of responsibility so thats why I posted it otherwise I try not to mention kashf stuff.

[Jimambol]

if the coming souls are lost to disbelief then how could they have been classed as fortunate souls?

[lovespellszz]

I have no clue. These are all arcane secrets, kashfi uloom are of this nature. Thats why I dont post them despite having great interest in them/reading them and listening to them. Its hard to delve into it, especially using its isteylah. Kashfi uloom have their own isteylah. But this particular qawl of Hazrath db I used to awaken my own sense of responsibility and others for our next generations.

[AndrewBoss]

That's interesting.

[aliceingoogs]

The shaikh is just saying, or even making an observation, that in places in the world that are dominated by disbelievers, if you notice that Muslim children are starting to be born in those places this means that the coming souls are going to be heavily fortunate souls. So its the responsibility of the Muslims already living in such areas that they establish masajid, maktabs, dar ul ulooms etc. where these souls can get their nourishment. If the Muslims of such areas are negligent in providing a deeni environment then these souls will not get their spiritual nourishment, they will go astray.

He says this because in his kashf the souls dont come sporadically like one fortunate soul here and one fortunate soul in another place in the world, but he is saying that they come in large groups to one area at one time. So one large group of souls will be sent to one place at the same time. The world changes like this. If you follow the path of Islam through the ages you will see this is how it set in places that were dominated by non Muslims for a long period of time. First arab land and then gradually going out to ajami areas surrounding it, heading over to hind, then spreading out west, uk, america.

For example now in UK and America there are lots of Muslim children being born, so this means that if the Muslims of this area establish their deen there via masajid maktabs darul uloom work of dawat and tabligh khanqahs etc. then they will be able to accomodate the souls coming who will be heavily comprised of fortunate souls, they will be ready to give these souls the nourishment they need. If they cannot establish their deen in such areas then they will lose the coming souls to disbelief.

Its his kashf so its not like 100% hujjat on deen. Just something he saw and experienced. But it makes sense and gives us a sense of responsibility we have to the future generations. It gives us a sense of responsibility so thats why I posted it otherwise I try not to mention kashf stuff.

Hazrat,

I would like to respectfully state...

1. A vast number of Ulama consider lands where Muslims don't have the power to enforce Shariah as Darul-Harb so I request you to check the validity of this Kashf with well estabished and reputable Ulama-e-Kiraam
2. I also respectfully ask you to consider spending some time and montioring the Shariah Ahwaal & Aqai'd of Tareeqa Muhammiddiyyah before quoting and trusting Kashf as Allah (SWT) has put you in a place of responsibility and your quotations will trigger people to search, find and read up on personalities whom you chose to quote from a position of trust.

Request for your duas.

[nasxbrtyol]

Hazrat,

I would like to respectfully state...

1. A vast number of Ulama consider lands where Muslims don't have the power to enforce Shariah as Darul-Harb so I request you to check the validity of this Kashf with well estabished and reputable Ulama-e-Kiraam
2. I also respectfully ask you to consider spending some time and montioring the Shariah Ahwaal & Aqai'd of Tareeqa Muhammiddiyyah before quoting and trusting Kashf as Allah (SWT) has put you in a place of responsibility and your quotations will trigger people to search, find and read up on personalities whom you chose to quote from a position of trust.

Request for your duas.

This "kashaf" is taken from a book called "Abrez",written by a well recognized and respected scholar Ahmad ibne Mubarak",including biography of his Shaikh Abdul Aziz dabbagh,some tafseer of Ayate qurani and explanations of some ahadeeth by his shaikh,and also some of his mukashifat.
This book has gained wide acceptance from scholars including ulemae deoband.Molana Hussain ahmad Madani has reffered to it in "Maktoobate shaikh ul Islam" calling shaikh Dabbagh ra as " Ghouse waqt".It was first translated by " Moulana Ashiq elahi merathi ra " in Urdu who is the author of " Tazkiratur Rasheed", Molana Meerathi himself was a big scholar and a khalifa of Molana Khalil Ahmad saharanpuri (Shaikh of Hazrat Shaikh ul hadeeth ra).Obviously he would not translate a book which was not authentic or not accepted by Ulema.
This "kashaf" under discussion,is neither concerned with any order of Sharia,nor Aqaed nor Ibadat.At the most what we can say is that it is an observation,which may or may not be accepted but it does not affect our basic eeman in anyway.The suggestion that it might help reminding us all to make proper environment for our coming generations residing in non-muslim countries can only do good to our future generation.So such a strict scrutiny of its contents is probably uncalled for. Wallaho alam

[effebrala]

Indeed "Abrez[/I][/B] is a strange book,once you start it,you will never let go.Even its Kashafiat are proved by the author to be according to Quran and sunna, by giving ayat,Ahadeeth and Aqwal of Ulema e salaf.. It is few years ago published again with Urdu translation of Pir Muhammad Hassan,this time with headings,sub headings and references from Quran and Hadeeth.A very useful book.My late Father ra got Abrez in prize when he stood first in one subject in deoband (as a student).This shows how Ulemae deoband liked this book.

[DianaDrk]

I think we should concentrate on the message rather than its value as a kashaf. Obviosly those residing in westren countries needs to create proper environment for their future generations.Kashaf or not,the message Shaikh is trying to convey is right.I heard from a Shaikh,that Shaikh Dabbagh once said to his companions that i saw in my Kashaf that " i saw Eesaiyyat holding her baby and breast feeding her".Those were the days of renaissance in europe.wallaho alam

[Roamsaffots]

Instead of engaging in discussion of mystical phenomana,we should find practical ways to think of our future generations in Darul Harb.The way the political scenario is changing there seems to be some tough times ahead for our children.I am thankful to Shaikh Fusoos al hikam that he thought in this direction.Only strong ,unshakable eeman can save our generations in the west.It is our duty to start preparing them from today.