[Gadarett]

Qadi Sanaullah Panipatti said that if a mureed assigns himself to a sheikh and the sheikh doesnt have any tawajuh on him, then in the eyes of Allah he is still accepted.

[Ubgvuncd]

To state that a person is following the sunnah does not at all mean that anyone who disagrees with him does not follow the sunnah. It seems a bit far-fetched to suggest so.



This was a lovely description and much needed. I'm one of the people who has found his tone hard to stomach, due to my own shortcomings, but to come across such a description of him is inspiring and humbling.

Discussions with Shaykh (Mufti) A.S Desai or Majlis(South Africa have been an absolute eye-opener for me and I think many of us (ME) have misunderstood him. In this dialogue, everybody should consider the following:

1. I have "pulled him on one of his Fatwas" and sought clarification
2. I have written long stories instead of a simple query
3. I have then asked for clarification on a Fatwa upon a Fatwa
4. Throughout this discussion it is clear to Shaykh (Mufti) A.S Desai or Majlis(South Africa that I am not a Scholar but a Muppet

And he has taken the time to explain matters to me clearly and camly which tells me that he is not a harsh, trigger happy fanatic

: - ) I have the habit of bringing out the worst in people and I have failed at my job. : - )

Sorry bruv,but I have to flag this comment up. Are you implying that any person who disagrees with him is somehow not on the sunnah or less on the sunnah?

Im sorry bruv,the word sunnah is being too simplified and alot of the times, the different meanings the word 'sunnah' has in the different fields of Ilm gets interchanged without explaining how sometimes in different fields on ilm, the word 'sunnah' can and does mean different things.

Mufti A.S Desai sahib may well have very very different views to other scholars of other schools, so are you implying that those scholars of other schools are somehow not as close on the sunnah as Mufti Sahib?

Islam is not and has not been one size fits all.

No debate or argument intended CH.

Brother,

I am referring to his psychological state of mind. There are many people who have so much love for the Sunnah that when they “perceive” something to the contrary their love of Sunnah overpowers them and the reaction (to us) appears to be excessive.

Is it also just me or were others too taken aback when Mufti Sahib mentioned he had not heard of Shaykh Zulfiqar sahib.

I don't expect him to know every shaykh in the world but Shaykh Zulfiqar sahib is pretty high up in 'our deobandi' circles,no?

Shaykh Zulfiqar (HA) is well known to our generation but to someone who has exprienced the company of Shaykh (Maulana) Maseehullah Khan (RA) & Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Zakarriya (RA) he may not be.

This one is for colonel sahib,

how do you think posting something like this creates unity? or even promotes good spirit?

this post of yours creates more controversy than actual guidance if that was your intention.

if you know something is of contention then its best not to even go there.

Hazrat,

It is my humble attempt to show a few things:

1. Shaykh (Mufti) A.S Desai or Majlis(South Africa is neither Anti-Tassawuff nor Anti-Tareeqa
2. The real pupose behind Tassawuff is Islah which may or may not be clear to some people.
3. There is room for those who disagree with certain Tareeqa practises i.e. if you have problems with "Group or Loud Dhik'r" side-step the issue instead of making it the fundamental thorn of your existence.

Off course those who practise "Group or Loud Dhik'r" have their evidence but that's not the point. The point is flexibility to achieve “Islah”.

It is critical to understand that neither Tareeqa nor Ba'yah is the goal of Tassawuff. I know that for someone as knowledgeable as you it may be crystal clear.

Lastly, Academic disagreements have nothing to do with unity otherwise think about the four (4) Madhabs which often disagree with each other. This is an Academic discussion and you or anybody else has the right to disagree with a Muppet

Qadi Sanaullah Panipatti said that if a mureed assigns himself to a sheikh and the sheikh doesnt have any tawajuh on him, then in the eyes of Allah he is still accepted.

Exactly! Because none of it has anything to do with the objective of Tassawuff...

[Kragh]

Colonel saheb, I am please you took out the time to contact Mufti Majlis. I hope others follow suit.

[Hoijdxvh]

Dear Brother, Assalaamoalaikum

Alhamdulillah, a very nice post that gets our mind to work.

Regarding the first part of your post concerning "Impulse control", and since you have the thread of your thoughts, is it possible to give this part a "deeni" twist / approach? Yousouf (AS) comes to mind.

Brotherly yours
farook

[Innoloinarp]

Jazak Allah.. your statment may actualy clarify for the brother. If us small fries dont have time to re-read posts, then why do we expect these ulama to be aware of all the personalities or their turuq. Their work is chalked out. They do that work, and sleep to wake up another day to do some more work lillah again..

for adding extra info which i didn't intend

[Quaganoca]

for adding extra info which i didn't intend

oh no problem akhi. Some time the same glass casts different colour of ray on the opposite side. I just saw something in your post which you may not have intended. but Alls good Alhamdulillah.

[Ubgvuncd]

Dear Brother, Assalaamoalaikum

Alhamdulillah, a very nice post that gets our mind to work.

Regarding the first part of your post concerning "Impulse control", and since you have the thread of your thoughts, is it possible to give this part a "deeni" twist / approach? Yousouf (AS) comes to mind.

Brotherly yours
farook

Absolutely.

Shaykh (Maulana) Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) said, “When the thought of a sin occurs and the person acts contrary to it and when the thought of a good deed occurs and the person hasten towards it and performs it, then this is the essence of the matter”

That's all "Impulse control" is about.

We need Scholars & Mashaykh in the West to demystify Tassawuff and remove the ambiguities from the matter. Shaykh (Mufti) A.S Desai or Majlis(South Africa has beautifylly said, "Islaah of the Nafs is Waajib. The Qur’aan and the Sunnah are emphatic on this issue."

People are confused about the matter and they wonder:

1. Am I required to be Ba'yah to a Shaykh for my Islaah (reformation)?
2. Which Tareeqa is the most suitable for my Islaah (reformation)?
3. I have been with Shaykh A or Shaykh B for so long and I don't experience anything, so whats wrong?

Salafi objections to Tareeqa revolve around:

1. This name (Naqshbandi, Chishti etc.) didn't exist in the time of Prophet
2. This method or that method (within the Tareeqa) did or didn't exist in the time of Prophet

If the Mashaykh of Tassawuff deemed something to be necessary or obligatory then those who adhere to Tassawuff would have a “guide book” with rules and regulations e.g. for Salah we have a set method and rules and regulations and their Fiqh designations (i.e. Fardh, Wajib, Sunnah etc.)

Tassawuff has an aim (which is Islah) so the methods and tactics are fluidic and flexible. A Muslim can choose to memorise the Qur’aan using any HALAL tactics at his/her disposal (i.e. use a Mushaf, use a CD, use their I-Pod) and no one declares it a Bid’ah because it’s just a means to the objective.

In Tassawuff a Shaykh can use any HALAL tactic at his disposal for the reformation of the Nafs and they CANNOT be deemed Bid’ah because it’s just a means to the objective.

It has to be CATEGORICALLY proven to us that memorising the Qur’aan by listening through an I-Pod is HARAM and similarly it has to be CATEGORICALLY proven to us that a certain tactic employed by a Shaykh for reformation of Nafs is HARAM!

And just like Ulama differ in Fiqh, they also differ in “Tassawuff and tactics”. Here, Ulama have expressed their disagreement with “Loud & Group Dik’r” while other Ulama agree with it.

So if a person has a problem with a certain tactic (within a Tareeqa) e.g. “Loud & Group Dik’r” then seek a Shaykh who uses tactics which are approved.

The point is to FOCUS on the aim and that's what Shaykh (Mufti) A.S Desai or Majlis(South Africa is trying to convey i.e. find a Shaykh whose Tassawuff agrees with the Shariah and seek your Islaah.

And for those who even disagree with the concent entirely, well seek your Islah through a method and means which is conformant to Shariah and thats the point.

[Alexunda]

Asalam Alykum WrWb,

I just cant explain how happy I am !!!! FINALLY somebody connected Tasawuff to neural programming. I had sooooooooooooooooooooo much fun reading brother Colonels post that I almost forgot what existed around me. JazakAllah khair brother, truely inspiring posts.

To most people when I explain these concepts, they out right reject it and say "Do not focus too much on sciences"... Neuroscience is something ! you really have to know how the brain works to better understand your life.

Brother this is a request from my heart: If you could publish this work, itl be one of the best sellers.

JazakAllah khair again.. Keep the posts coming please.

[Evoncalabbalo]

As has been said before, Mufti sahib should be valued and respected,regardless of wether we agree with him or not. I agree his tone is not to everyones taste, but sometimes thats for the good. Prophets had different temperaments, so did the companions and so do our scholars,both past and present.

[Ubgvuncd]

Asalam Alykum WrWb,

I just cant explain how happy I am !!!! FINALLY somebody connected Tasawuff to neural programming. I had sooooooooooooooooooooo much fun reading brother Colonels post that I almost forgot what existed around me. JazakAllah khair brother, truely inspiring posts.

To most people when I explain these concepts, they out right reject it and say "Do not focus too much on sciences"... Neuroscience is something ! you really have to know how the brain works to better understand your life.

Brother this is a request from my heart: If you could publish this work, itl be one of the best sellers.

JazakAllah khair again.. Keep the posts coming please.

As has been said before, Mufti sahib should be valued and respected,regardless of wether we agree with him or not. I agree his tone is not to everyones taste, but sometimes thats for the good. Prophets had different temperaments, so did the companions and so do our scholars,both past and present.

[3:191] who remember Allah standing and sitting, and (lying) on their sides, and ponder on the creation of the heavens and the earth (and say) .Our Lord, You have not created all this in vain. We proclaim Your purity. So, save us from the punishment of Fire.

Shaykh (Maulana) Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) writes in Bayanul-Quraan that Allah (SWT) has stipulated the principle to be:

1. Make rememberance of the Dhat of Allah (SWT)
2. Ponder over and think about the creation of Allah (SWT)

Shaykh (Mufti) Kamaluddin (HA) said in London, "Here everybody is INVITED TO MAKE IJTEHAAD"

Think of as many brand new and exciting ways to ponder upon and think about the Creation of Allah (SWT). When you see a tree, think about how it is Glorifying its Creator. When you see a mountain how it is testifying to the Majesty of Allah (SWT).

Notice the behavior of people of our times as they have endless debates about the Dhat of Allah (SWT) while pondering and discussing it when a Muslim IS NEVER supposed to think about the Dhat of Allah (SWT)...Look at the Internet with all the Aqeedah debates!

What is the Muslim supposed to "think" about the Dhat of Allah (SWT)?

[42:11]...Nothing is like Him. And He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing...

Case closed. Job done!

[Jimambol]

one of the best and most useful threads on the forum (for me) since a long time.

[SaamanthaSterlyng]

Colonel Saab after a long time and with a great post.

[Hoijdxvh]

[3:191] who remember Allah standing and sitting, and (lying) on their sides, and ponder on the creation of the heavens and the earth (and say) .Our Lord, You have not created all this in vain. We proclaim Your purity. So, save us from the punishment of Fire.

Shaykh (Maulana) Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) writes in Bayanul-Quraan that Allah (SWT) has stipulated the principle to be:

1. Make rememberance of the Dhat of Allah (SWT)
2. Ponder over and think about the creation of Allah (SWT)

Shaykh (Mufti) Kamaluddin (HA) said in London, "Here everybody is INVITED TO MAKE IJTEHAAD"

Think of as many brand new and exciting ways to ponder upon and think about the Creation of Allah (SWT). When you see a tree, think about how it is Glorifying its Creator. When you see a mountain how it is testifying to the Majesty of Allah (SWT).

Notice the behavior of people of our times as they have endless debates about the Dhat of Allah (SWT) while pondering and discussing it when a Muslim IS NEVER supposed to think about the Dhat of Allah (SWT)...Look at the Internet with all the Aqeedah debates!

What is the Muslim supposed to "think" about the Dhat of Allah (SWT)?

[42:11]...Nothing is like Him. And He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing...

Case closed. Job done!

Dear Brother, Assalaamoalaikum

MashaAllah.

Case closed. Job Done!

Brotherly yours
farook

[Hoijdxvh]

Question 1:

our noble and respected Shaykh (Mufti) A.S Desai or Majlis(South Africa,

In response to a question about loud Dhikr in Jamaat and people shaking when Tawwajjuh is given, you replied on the 29th of March 2011: “In the present age it is best and safest to refrain from joining any Tasawwuf Tariqah. Follow a Math-hab, study the writings of the Auliya and consult with an Aalim any issue which you do not understand.”

Hazrat, I am neither Bayt to anyone nor part of a Tareeqah but I would like to seek some clarification on your response:

1. If Loud Dhik’r is not done in Jamaah or not done at all, should we avoid such a Tareeqa as well?
2. If no Tawajjuh is given OR no shaking is done, would the Tareeqa still be problematic?
3. What practises in a Tareeqa would render the entire Tareeqa impermissible?
4. Hazrat, you well know the inclination of our Akabir towards Tawassuf and their advise to laymen about seeking “Islaah” so what has changed since the time of Shaykh (Maulana) Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA), Mufti Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi (RA) etc since they both made loud Dhik’r?
5. Hazrat, Do you know of any Tareeqas and Auliya today (anywhere) who are upon the Sunnah in your view?
6. Hazrat, do you completely advise a laymen to refrain from Tassawuff and Tareeqas even the Khulafas of our Akabir like Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Zakariyya Kandhalwi (RA)?

Jazakullah Khairun

Response 1:
ASSALAMU ALAIKUM

26 Rabiuth Thaani 1432 (1-04-2011)

Abu Salih Muadh Khan

Respected Brother,

Your e-mail dated 31 March 2011 refers.

In our answer to the question, we also mentioned several countries (Turkey, West Africa, etc.). In those places ‘sufi’ism’ is pure Satanism. They convert Muslims into mushriks. The advice is based on the predominant situation prevailing.

Even khulafa of our Akaabireen are veering off into bid’ah. If there is a Tariqah which does not conflict with the Shariah, and its objective is purely Islaah-e-Nafs, then in our view it is Waajib to
join such a Tariqah. If there are still such Tariqahs, we are unaware of them. There may be. Allah Ta’ala knows best.

In 1970 while I was still in Jalalabad, Hadhrat Masihullah (rahmatullah alayh) visited Shaikh Zakariyyah (rahmatullah alayh) in his Khaanqah in Sahaaranpur. Hadhrat Shaikh was lying on his bed with a couple of his khaadims sitting around. Hadhrat Masihullah entered. When Hadhrat Shaikh Zakariyya saw Hadhrat Masihullah, he harshly barked at his khuddaam: ‘Get up and leave!” All of them made a quick exit. Hadhrat Zakariyyah then beckoned with his hand, calling Hadhrat Masihullah to come to him. When Hadhrat Masihullah was close by at the bed, Hadhrat Shaikh Zakariyyah grabbed hold of Hadhrat Masihullah, and broke down crying, and saying: ‘Take care of the khaanqas. All the khanqas are now desolate (weeraan).”

Brother, all the khaanqas which exist nowadays are not even shadows of khaanqas. Their emphasis is on halqah thikr, singing nazams, and eating sumptuous foods. Wallaah! Many of the khulafa have no understanding of the meaning of ‘Islaah’, hence they stay in business with halqah thikr.

If you know of a valid Khaanqah which emphasizes on Islaah-e-Nafs and which is free of bid’ah and nonsense, consider it a wonderful Ni’mat, and cling to it.

May Allah Ta’ala keep you with aafiyat.

Was-salaam

A.S. Desai

Question 2:

our noble and respected Shaykh (Mufti) A.S Desai or Majlis(South Africa

I have read your response over and over again and tried my level best to understand and comprehend your response and may Allah (SWT) reward you for your time and effort in this world and the next (Ameen).

Hazrat, I would like further clarification on this matter.

Ever since I was a little boy I was fascinated and absorbed in the personalities of Hazrat Mujaddid Alf Thani (RA), Shah Waliullah (RA), Syed Ahmed Shaheed (RA) & Shah Ismael Shaheed (RA) and I read their books and books about them although due to my age and lack of knowledge I understood little and still don’t. However, I recognised that all of these personalities emphasised “Murqaba” and there is little or no mention of “loud and/or Halaqah Dhikr”.

Therefore my heart has always gravitated towards Naqshbandi-Mujaddidi Silsila, although I have attended the Majalis of many Mashaykh and participated in their Dhik’r. My heart and mind doesn’t agree with “Loud Dhik’r” and “Khatm-e-Khawajagan” but since I am neither a Scholar nor every knowledgeable I have abstained from these matters but left it to the discretion of Scholars & Mashaykh.

However, even in Naqshbandi-Mujaddidi Silsila in UK (& Pakistan) I have noticed Loud (& Halqah) Dhik’r and the Mashaykh have informed me that this is used in the SilSila as a medicine and not inherently part of the Silsila. I have also experienced that Durood and other Adhkaar are read in a rhythmic and melodious manner.

Recently, I attended the Majlis of a Khaleefa of Shaykh Zulfiqar Naqshbandi-Mujaddidi (HA) and the Shaykh (a Mufti) at the time of Dhik’r asked some of his Khadims to pass out photocopies of certain Ayaat and it was discovered that Khadims had forgotten. So the Mufti Saheb (HA) said that we don’t make loud Dhik’r & I wanted to pass these photocopies to you but now I will read loud (to point out the verses) and you should read (but don’t raise your voices) and if we had photocopies we wouldn’t even be reading loudly.

He also read Durood Shareef and other Adhkaar but it was not rhythmic, in fact it was very disjointed.

Thus there was no loud Dhikr and there was no rhythm in Durood Shareef etc. Hazrat Mufti Saheb (HA) explained and emphasised the importance of Sunnah and then detailed six (6) matters which everybody should adhere to:

1. Daily Recitation of the Qur’aan: Starting from ½ juz daily.
2. Daily Astaghfaar
3. Daily Durood
4. Wuqoof-e-Qalbi: Which Hazrat Mufti Saheb (HA) explained to mean that whenever possible simply turn attention towards Allah (SWT)
5. Muraqaba of Allah (SWT)’s name:
6. Contact with the Shaykh

I asked Hazrat Mufti Saheb (HA) in private if anyone can practise this and he said, “There are no secrets in our Tareeqa and anyone can practise this but the main point of Tassawuff is Islah and not Dhik’r”.

In addition to the Majlis being devoid of certain “practises” (which I have witnessed and observed in the Majalis of other Naqshbandi-Mujaddidi Mashaykh) I also observed Hazrat Mufti Saheb (HA) in his Salah and in his sleep and other habits and found him to be a follower of Sunnah.

I am not Bay’t to Hazrat Mufti Saheb (HA) but what are your comments on this matter and in your opinion Hazrat, as a layman and unknowledgeable person do you regard this as sufficient research and observation before participation in a Majlis?

Generally, what should we laymen and unknowledgeable people do for our Islaah and how should we engage in Dhikr?

Hazrat, I am asking for the benefit of us (who are not Ulama) and we don’t wish to criticise the Ulama & Mashaykh but we do wish to follow the Sunnah as closely as possible.

Jazakullah Khairun

Response 2:

ASSALAMU ALAIKUM

28 Rabiuth Thaani 1432 (3-04-2011)

Abu Salih Muadh Khan

Respected Brother,

Your e-mail dated 1 April 2011 refers.

Islaah of the Nafs is Waajib. The Qur’aan and the Sunnah are emphatic on this issue. The Tareeqah of the Khaanqah is almost as old as Islam. It used to be the best way to gain Islaah. However, just as corruption has set in all Deeni institutions such as the Madaaris, corruption to a greater degree has overtaken the khaanqahs. It is for this reason that we advise extreme caution in this regard.

Before becoming bay’t to a Shaikh, sit for a number of days in his majlis. Listen to his bayaans and observe his personal life to ascertain if he is a man of the Sunnah. After being convinced that he is a genuine Shaikh, then if your heart inclines to him, adopt him as your spiritual guide.

We are not aware of the Tariqah of Shaikh Zulfiqar. After sitting in his company for some time, if you feel convinced that his Tariqah is on the Haqq, then you may become bay’t to him.

May Allah Ta’ala guide and protect you.

Was-salaam

A.S. Desai

For

Mujlisul Ulama of S.A.

Dear Brother, Assalaamoalaikum

In our answer to the question, we also mentioned several countries (Turkey, West Africa, etc.). In those places ‘sufi’ism’ is pure Satanism. They convert Muslims into mushriks. The advice is based on the predominant situation prevailing. My son-in-law and daughter were (the Respected Shaykh left this world abour two - three years back) mureed of Respected Shaykh Abdulaye Dieye of Senegal. I never noticed any malpractices on the part of my son-in-law and daughter. I note, however, that Respected Shaykh Mufti Desai emphasizes that "This advice is based on the predominant situation prevailing".

If there is a Tariqah which does not conflict with the Shariah, and its objective is purely Islaah-e-Nafs, then in our view it is Waajib to join such a Tariqah. Not necessarily. Saying that it is waajib to join a Tariqah may , in the long run, lead to the belief that one has to necessarily join a Tariqah.

the main point of Tassawuff is Islah and not Dhik’r Exactly. Dhikr is a simply a tool.

Before becoming bay’t to a Shaikh, sit for a number of days in his majlis. Listen to his bayaans and observe his personal life to ascertain if he is a man of the Sunnah. After being convinced that he is a genuine Shaikh, then if your heart inclines to him, adopt him as your spiritual guide. That should be the modus operandi.

Brotherly yours
farook

[zzzza]

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