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Old 04-04-2011, 12:18 PM   #1
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Assalamu alaykum.

Is it correct islamic belief that Allah knows equally infintiely more than any and all creation of Allah equally?

That is, is it true that Allah knows infinetly more than a tree just like he knows infinitely more than a person?

Because if yoi believe that Allah knows more than the tree and more than the person, but knows more than the two to different degrees arent you implying the person is like Allah to some degree? Because Allah is nothing like any creation whatsoever, he is nothing like a person just like he is nothing like a tree whatsoever.

Jazak Allah khair.
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:33 PM   #2
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Assalamu alaykum.

Is it correct islamic belief that Allah knows equally infintiely more than any and all creation of Allah equally?

That is, is it true that Allah knows infinetly more than a tree just like he knows infinitely more than a person?

Because if yoi believe that Allah knows more than the tree and more than the person, but knows more than the two to different degrees arent you implying the person is like Allah to some degree? Because Allah is nothing like any creation whatsoever, he is nothing like a person just like he is nothing like a tree whatsoever.

Jazak Allah khair.
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Old 04-04-2011, 04:30 PM   #3
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Something went wrong somewhere.
Sorry for asking so many questions. I have severe OCD.
Also am typing on my phone, sorry for the errors.

Basically I was just wondering if someone knows a lot and someone knows more than that, is it true then the one who knows a lot is closer to being like Allah because he has more knowledge than the other one.

Allah knows more than anyone so if among two people one has more.knowledge is it true that he is closer to being like God, who knows everything?

This stuff is driving me insane, I feel horrible but I need to know.
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Old 04-04-2011, 04:44 PM   #4
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Sorry for asking so many questions. I have severe OCD.
Also am typing on my phone, sorry for the errors.

Basically I was just wondering if someone knows a lot and someone knows more than that, is it true then the one who knows a lot is closer to being like Allah because he has more knowledge than the other one.

Allah knows more than anyone so if among two people one has more.knowledge is it true that he is closer to being like God, who knows everything?

This stuff is driving me insane, I feel horrible but I need to know.
in mathematics infinity-1=infinity and also infinity- 1000 = infinity. Same here
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Old 04-04-2011, 09:38 PM   #5
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Basically I was just wondering if someone knows a lot and someone knows more than that, is it true then the one who knows a lot is closer to being like Allah because he has more knowledge than the other one.

Allah knows more than anyone so if among two people one has more.knowledge is it true that he is closer to being like God, who knows everything?

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Allah's Knowledge is not like the knowledge of creation things.

What's the difference?

The Knowledge of created being is acquired, learned, and can be forgotten and lost. Knowledge is also based on the brain, it is contingent, it needs something in order to exist in the mind, in the brain. Let a human being get demetia, he won't even know where he is. And the knowledge that a person may be acquired is based on how smart the individual. And even if smart it doesn't mean they will use it in a beneficial way.

While the Knowledge of Allah is forever, and Allah didn't learn it, He knows, past, present, and future. Allah doesn't have to think, He doesn't have figure things out, and He doesn't have to struggle with what He knows. He doesn't have to systematize His knowledge, He doesn't have to reflect. He Knows.

Our knowledge is deficient. Allah's Knowledge is perfect.

I hope that helps.

And Allah knows best.
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Old 04-04-2011, 10:14 PM   #6
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Assalaam,

brohter Mugen, ALLAH has 2 types of Qualities (sifat) one has no resemblance with creation & other resembles (but when i say resembles it means by just word in general) let me explain... Eg: 1 ALLAH being one,in no need of anything (as samad) neither begets,nor born,Eternal ect... This qualities of ALLAH has no resemblance with creation we all have need,we are begotten,we begots,we are mortal..
2.. ALLAH is sami,(listener) basir (watcher),Halim (forbearer),etc.. Now this qualities we too have we also listens,watch,forbearer. But there is no relation in ALLAH`s & our`s listening.no relation in ALLAH`s & our`s watching.etc etc.. Similarly ALLAH is Knower (aleem),so we too are knower of some or the other thing but there is no relation in ALLAH`s & our`s knowledge.. Hence our qualities has limit & ALLAH`s qualities are eternal.. & has no relation even if words are same (e.g listener,watcher etc) SO don`t get deep in thinking all this.. We believe ALLAH has this qualities of listening, watching even before the this term exits.. We believe in ALLAH`s Qualities in the meaning which befits to ALLAH..That`s all cant make more simple..Hence it is transgression to ponder or debate on Qualities of ALLAH.
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Old 04-05-2011, 01:08 AM   #7
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Jazak Allah khair shiyam. May Allah reward you.

Everyone else also jazak Allah khair. I already believe that Allah's knowledge is eternal, etc. br Shiyam was able to answer my question alhamdulillah.

Also, I was not trying to debate attributes of Allah. I have an illness (OCD)
which constantly throws these wasawis at me, making it hard to ignore them. I feel guilty when I do; I was not trying to do transgression.

Insha Allah, mods can close the thread or delete it.
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Old 04-05-2011, 01:59 AM   #8
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Sorry for asking so many questions. I have severe OCD.
Also am typing on my phone, sorry for the errors.

Basically I was just wondering if someone knows a lot and someone knows more than that, is it true then the one who knows a lot is closer to being like Allah because he has more knowledge than the other one.

Allah knows more than anyone so if among two people one has more.knowledge is it true that he is closer to being like God, who knows everything?

This stuff is driving me insane, I feel horrible but I need to know.
Why do you NEED to know? Do not discuss your wisawis they only get stronger. Do not try to logically win over your wisawis, they get stronger. I wont get into this discussion with you.

Listen here, the best way to deal with these thoughts is to just ignore them and focus on your day to day activities.
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Old 04-05-2011, 05:18 AM   #9
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Why do you NEED to know? Do not discuss your wisawis they only get stronger. Do not try to logically win over your wisawis, they get stronger. I wont get into this discussion with you.

Listen here, the best way to deal with these thoughts is to just ignore them and focus on your day to day activities.
You talk a bit harshly but I honestly think it is because you are frustrated out of concern for me. Jazak Allah khair.

Brother, it is a compulsion. I think if I dont answer aqeedah questions I would become kaffir so I feel compelled to get into such things which Allah swt wont ask me about because I worry all thevtime. I know the basics of aqeedah and beyond that, but shaytan tries to trap me in different ways.

Please keepbme in your dua so that I may get better.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:52 AM   #10
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bro here is an article, that might help you understand more about your waswas.


Troublesome thoughts

A lady called, saying that whilst reading Salaah, the images of idols come in front of her and there is a whispering in her heart :
“You are not a Muslim. You are a Mushrik (one who associates partners with Allah Ta’ala), so prostrate (or make sajda) to this
idol.”
Surely if an image like that comes before a person in Salaah, the person will become terribly worried. And she repeatedly hears
this: “You have become a Mushrik. You have become a Mushrik.” As a result she was very, very anxious and worried, saying that
due to this worry, she hadn’t slept. Due to the frequency of these whisperings, she was becoming a nervous wreck. She did not
know as to whether she would die as a Muslim or not. In fact, she believed that she had lost her Imaan.

Nevertheless, I asked this lady a simple question : “Are you comfortable with this thought, that you have turned away from
Islam and that you are worshipping this idol, which you see in front of you ?”
She said : “No, I am very worried. I am a Muslim and wish to die a Muslim.”
To this reply, I said : “That is the sign of Imaan. If you did not have Imaan, then you would have been extremely comfortable with
that thought.”

The person who is a Christian, Jew, Hindu or Atheist, does not find discomfort in believing what his respective faith asks him to
believe. The person is not uncomfortable with these ideologies, doctrines and credences, be it of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism,
Atheism, etc.

On the other hand, those Muslims who are tormented with such thoughts, images or whisperings are most uncomfortable with
them.
Try not to listen to these whisperings of Shaytan. Instead call for help to his creator, Allah(swt). Recite Suratul Fathiha, 3 Quls and Ayathul Kursi. Be frequent in reciting it and seek refuge in Allah. InshAllah you will be cured of this problem.
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:03 AM   #11
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You talk a bit harshly but I honestly think it is because you are frustrated out of concern for me. Jazak Allah khair.

Brother, it is a compulsion. I think if I dont answer aqeedah questions I would become kaffir so I feel compelled to get into such things which Allah swt wont ask me about because I worry all thevtime. I know the basics of aqeedah and beyond that, but shaytan tries to trap me in different ways.

Please keepbme in your dua so that I may get better.
Sorry about my harsh tone, thats just my personality its how i come off. but i never mean to be harsh. i apologize to you if i hurt your feelings. maybe these will be helpful to you if Allah swt wills:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/entr...taan-Spy-Games

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/entr...ch-of-the-Jinn
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