[Jourgenz]

Salaam,

My grandad has been living with us for the past 6 months and hasnt taken a shower once! He doesnt pray, doesnt clean himself after going for a number two, doesnt change his clothes. He is EXTREMELY dirty. The longest time he didnt bath was 1 yr and 3 months! I have never seen anything like it.

He complains that he has some 'jinn' with him who cause him problems. The only issue with that is we have done ruquyah and it hasnt effected him in any way. The jinn cause problems in the house too. He claims that he knows what everyone in the house is doing, always expects someone to be by his side (my dad), lies alot, runs after money even though he doesnt even get out of the bed, causes arguments between mum and dad etc etc.

I am starting to think that the jinn work for him or something and they probably have a pact of some sort and part of that pact is he doesnt clean himself. As soon as he stepped in this house, it has caused nothing but fitna. I know that one should respect elders but TBH everyone wants him out of the house.

What are peoples thoughts on this ? Has anyone dealt with a similar situation before ?

[InvertPrete]

bring him to mental doctor.

[TouccuraLar]

@ Kallah, is this the second time you've posted this?

I seem to recall reading the same/very similar post ages ago?

p.s Has he ALWAYS been like this?

[valentinesdayyy]

Salaam,

My grandad has been living with us for the past 6 months and hasnt taken a shower once! He doesnt pray, doesnt clean himself after going for a number two, doesnt change his clothes. He is EXTREMELY dirty. The longest time he didnt bath was 1 yr and 3 months! I have never seen anything like it.

He complains that he has some 'jinn' with him who cause him problems. The only issue with that is we have done ruquyah and it hasnt effected him in any way. The jinn cause problems in the house too. He claims that he knows what everyone in the house is doing, always expects someone to be by his side (my dad), lies alot, runs after money even though he doesnt even get out of the bed, causes arguments between mum and dad etc etc.

I am starting to think that the jinn work for him or something and they probably have a pact of some sort and part of that pact is he doesnt clean himself. As soon as he stepped in this house, it has caused nothing but fitna. I know that one should respect elders but TBH everyone wants him out of the house.

What are peoples thoughts on this ? Has anyone dealt with a similar situation before ?

Jinns like dirty people. They are also known to put ikhtilaf in the husband and wife. However they are also noted to do some weird things such as not let the possessed do certain things. Such things can be bathing etc. There was a girl near our village to whom the jinn wouldnt allow her to sleep on a bed. Another lady had the jinn passed from mother to daughter.

Please consult a qualified aamil.

[Jourgenz]

Doctors said he is fine. Infact, they were stunned at how healthly he was for his age. Mentally, he is still with it and very sharp at that. However, he pretends to be ill so that people sympathise with him and the feds can give him disability allowance but we aint having that.

Haq Chaar Yaar@ Well, from the little I know, hes always had a crooked nature and his hygine has progressively got worse as he has aged.

You see, I think there is some sihr involved but I dont know if he is the victim of it or the instigator of it. The fact that the ruqiyah does little to him leads me to believe he isnt possessed,but then again I could be wrong..

[Jourgenz]

Jinns like dirty people. They are also known to put ikhtilaf in the husband and wife. However they are also noted to do some weird things such as not let the possessed do certain things. Such things can be bathing etc. There was a girl near our village to whom the jinn wouldnt allow her to sleep on a bed. Another lady had the jinn passed from mother to daughter.

Please consult a qualified aamil.

Jzk. Thats interesting. We have contacted several aamil but its not resolving the problem. Hes always had things with him but if ruqiyah isnt helping then what will?
Do you think they could be working with him?Or for him?

[namaikaimvputka]

Kalla,

Did you take your grandpa to a psychiatrist or psychologist? How could the doctors say that he's fine. Someone who goes for months without bathing is clearly not "fine", even if there is nothing physiologically wrong with him. Maybe you should take him to a psychologist for therapy.

[6ZCo3xuK]

There are four possible differential diagnoses involved in this person's condition:

1) Senile Dementia.

2) Personality disorder.

3) Paranoid Schizophrenia.

4) Major Depressive Disorder.

Show a Psychiatrist.

Wa salamu alaikum.

[TheDoctor]

So he's sharp and still with it no signs of mental degeneration as listed in Abu Tamim's post?

Then im afraid hes just a dirty old man. Lol. No offence

[zoppereurvito]

To sum up he has these negatives and blameworthy traits or actions:

1. No Tahaarah concern
2. Probably lacks Confidence
3. Lying
4. Runs behind the Dunya
5. Disobedience to Allah
6. Does not want to change [?]
7. Does not want to get rid of the Jinn [?]
8. Lazy
9. Arrogant

People in the community must try to:

1. Get the Jinns away from him [If there are any is the first question].
2. Once the Jinns gone, hopefully make him understand the importance of cleanliness from non-Islamic and Islamic perspective.
3. Teach him Islamic manners
4. Call towards Salah and attending Masjid for Salah.
And there are more...

He might have been under Jinn influence, or he has a psychological disorder.
Questions for you:
1. Does he like the smell of Najis?
2. Has he been like this from his childhood?
3. Did some incident affect him in the past that made him become like this?
4. Any financial issues for him?
5. Is he short-tempered [I probably think he is]?

May Allah guide him and make him clean externally and internally Aameen.

[Tauntenue]

Salam Aleykum,

BROTHER YOUR GRANDAD IS JUST LAZY! HE DOESN'T WANNA SHOWER NOR DOES HE WANNA PRAY NOR DOES HE WANNA DO ANYTHING! HE's JUST BLAMING IT ON JINN TRUST ME, LOTS OF OLD PPL ARE LIKE THAT.

Doctors said he is fine. Infact, they were stunned at how healthly he was for his age. EXACTLY! HE'S LAZY AND HE WANTS YOU TO SERVE HIM HE WON'T DO ANYTHING ALTHOUGH HE IS CAPABLE OF RUNNING LAPS AROUND THE HOUSE.

[Thydaysuh]

Surprising...May Allah purify him physically and mentally. [aameen]

[BartRonalds]

Salam Aleykum,

BROTHER YOUR GRANDAD IS JUST LAZY! HE DOESN'T WANNA SHOWER NOR DOES HE WANNA PRAY NOR DOES HE WANNA DO ANYTHING! HE's JUST BLAMING IT ON JINN TRUST ME, LOTS OF OLD PPL ARE LIKE THAT.



EXACTLY! HE'S LAZY AND HE WANTS YOU TO SERVE HIM HE WON'T DO ANYTHING ALTHOUGH HE IS CAPABLE OF RUNNING LAPS AROUND THE HOUSE.

i hope for his sake he is insane as their is no account for one who is insane , this is tragic

[seervezex]

Why dont you secretly shove a hose in his bed while hes asleep.

Then you will clean the bedsheets too lol

[phinno13]

Salam

what about inviting over old people (who can relate to him), who are somewhat religous (go to masjid etc.) that way he might be influenced to leave the house and go to the masjid among other places...and he will be forced to get his act together.

[Jourgenz]

@ImamGhazzaali - He claims to have jinns with him and infact this appears to have been the case for about 30-40 years. He would wake up at nights screaming and always want somone there. Since he has stepped into the house my mum has had health issues and my nephew spent sometime in the same room as him and has been severely constipated since (to the extent that he had to be taken hospital), we all see bad dreams etc etc.

But you see, that is the problem, the jinns are WITH him but they dont possess him. So how do we get rid of them ? Once my mum cleaned his bed/room cause there was deadskin/spit everywhere and she was ill thereafter.

BTW, He is well into his 80s so there is no changing him. He is deeply rooted into his habits.

@Abu_Tamim - He could be, its difficult to say because so many factors are involved that its hard to pinpoint. He doesnt want to bathe because he thinks the water might get into his skin and kill him ?! I dont know if he really believes that or he is lying because he doesnt want to bath (and he lies ALOT). Like once my mum told him to take a shower because he smells and no one wants to sit by him, the next morning he told her that it was his breath that was causing it I.E. he was denying that he smelt because he didnt shower.

@TripolySunni - I agree, he is VERY lazy. All he does is lay on his bed, eat and deficate. He expects everyone to serve him as though we dont have any other responsibilities.

Having said that, all of us want him out, but then he is my grandad and my dad feels a responsibility towards him. What should we do ? Keep him or tell him to leave ?

[zoppereurvito]

People can change. If people adopt the lie that "people can't change, I am as I am" then they will be the Losers in this Life and the Next.

Have you asked why is he does not like to shower or clean himself? If the Jinn are not possessing him but being beside him then I think it's easier to get rid of them no? Constantly recite and play Surah al-Baqarah and the 4 Quls in the house. Start Ta'leem of Ahaadeeth and Tafaseer. If the grandfather doesn't wants to join then 'fine'. Just do it within the other members. This way he might get interested as well. Play Adhan or Qur'aan near him and see his reaction [?].

[SigNeewfoew]

@ Kallah, is this the second time you've posted this?

I seem to recall reading the same/very similar post ages ago?

p.s Has he ALWAYS been like this?

Yeah, me too. I thought I was having de ja vous for a minute then.

[krek-sikUp]

I am not an 'Aamil and generally very sceptical when people mention that they have jinn, etc.

However, each person's case is individual and if you really suspect jinn involvement, then don't just rely on ruqyah.

• Make frequent, sincere du'a for your family including your grandfather.
• Be regular in observance of salaah and encourage your family to do the same.
• Recite ayatul kursi abundantly, especially when around him.

[Tauntenue]

Having said that, all of us want him out, but then he is my grandad and my dad feels a responsibility towards him. What should we do ? Keep him or tell him to leave ?

Salam Aleykum,

Keep him may Allah grant you patience.