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**bredkumanfirst** · 03-01-2011, 09:03 PM

below is an article forwarded to me by a HT leaning friend and it does make some interesting observations. Looking for comments and critisisms from you all.

Impact of political participation on Islamic -parties:
They wish that you compromise, so they too can compromise [68:9]

The sweeping change across the Middle East has taken many by surprise. Although some had talked about change setting off a domino effect, they did not expect it to be so sudden, with such power.

Due to this sudden change, there is a political vacuum, which the west is trying to fill with a cautious call for democracy. They are cautious because various reports, surveys and intelligence all indicate that political Islam is waiting in the wings looking to fill this vacuum. Faced with this reality they are formulating policies on how to reign in the “Islamists”. They talk of the ‘politics of inclusion’, which they feel they have successfully used in Turkey to control Islamic political parties. But they are fully aware that the Middle East is not Turkey and currently there is no support on the ground for secular democracy.

For us to understand what they are planning for the region we need to examine how they have dealt with the Islamic parties over the last 40years.

The commonly quoted examples of successes of Islamic political parties in democratic elections are the Islamic Salvation Front in Algeria (1991), the Justice and Development Party in Turkey (2002 and 2007), and the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in Palestine (2006). In all these cases they have managed to contain the influence of these parties and have worked, in the long run, to secularise them.

The key in all these cases has been the military, the power which upholds the system, which remained secular and guaranteed the continuation of the system.

Indeed, over the last forty years Islamic political parties have stood in 89 parliamentary elections in 21 countries (Source: Inter-Parliamentary Union). Over the years a multiple Islamic parties have entered the democratic process fighting for the same vote, splitting their constituency and hence having minimal impact. In Indonesia there are as many as nine Islamic parties competing for the same vote.
When we examine these Islamic parties closely it is not clear what Islam they intent to implement in society. Some parties advocate Shariah and some like Turkey’s Justice and Development Party (AKP), which is known to be an Islamic party, has removed almost every reference to Islam from its electoral platforms, and now describes itself as a “conservative” political party.

A study of 48 Islamic parties and their electoral platforms dating from 1969 to 2009, reveals a confused picture:
Only 50% of these parties call for the implementation of Shariah
75% endorse democracy. Some of them try to justify it as “Shura democracy”
The top three concerns were implementation of Shariah, economy and the “Islamic Morals”
Democratisation or liberalization was one on the top three issue for 11 platforms.
Mixing Shariah, democracy and liberalisation in these platforms clearly showed that these parties were not clear about what they stood for and hence their results at the polls were unimpressive. In their attempt to enter the democratic process they compromised and lost the trust of the electorate, it was also hard to account them on their promises as they played a deceptive game with the authorities.

The impact on the Islamic political parties entering the democratic process can be seen in the graph below. There is a clear tendency towards liberalisation. A study showed that prior to the mid 1990s a majority of the platforms favoured the implementation of Shariah, a ban on interest and made some mention of Jihad and opposition to Israel. Since then more than half have dropped such claims and adopted more liberal values like calling for women’s rights and democracy.

The study concluded that “Islamic parties have (relative to their starting point) liberalised their stances significantly over the past several decades”.

This was the intended aim of the policy of the ‘politics of inclusion’ – which states that “Islamist politicians will have to deal with others whose principles they do not necessarily accept, forcing them to compromise their abstract principles in the direction of reality…. The movement will have to move beyond facile slogans to declare its position on a variety of difficult issues; it will have to adopt a platform open to public scrutiny”

Gerd Nonneman (expert in Middle Eastern politics at Lancaster University in England) says “They’ve been made a part of the game, and the radical edges will be smoothed out as they get a stake in the status quo,”

“Once you become a part of the parliament, you have interests you want to maintain, and you don’t want to upset the whole system,” Nonneman says. “The pattern over the past 20 years is that when these groups get integrated into the political game and acquire a stake in it, by and large they lose their extremist tinge.”

This was the case with the Renaissance Movement in Algeria, the Islamic Action Front in Jordan, Jamaat-i-Islami in Bangladesh, and the Justice and Development Party in Morocco, which dropped their support for the shariah.

Also another point to note is that no party added a call for Shari‘a to its agenda. Some parties which had referred to Jihad such as Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, Jamaat-i-Islami in Bangladesh, and the Yemeni Congregation for Reform removed the term from their platforms.

The process of political participation had the desired effect of secularising these parties completely; they openly embraced the norms of democracy and human rights. This not only occurred at the party level but also at the individual member level. It was noted that before electoral success members would not shake hands with women and participate in interfaith dialogue, but after it was not an issue.

Over the years as the Islamic parties competed with the secular parties they have moved towards the centre of the ideological spectrum. They are seen to be no different to mainstream secular parties. As the graph above show they have compromised on those issue which defined them as Islamic.

“Islamist parties will soon fall into the ‘normal perspective’ within the political system; that is, they will no longer represent something special but will start to resemble other political parties with their same strengths, weaknesses, mistakes, foibles, and even corruption. This process has in fact happened in Turkey and Pakistan, where Islamist parties are a normal and, very often, unexciting part of the political spectrum. …. This strategy, which is designed to change, compromise, and educate the Isamist.” [“A sense of Siege”—The Geopolitics of Islam and the west – RAND]

This should be a clear warning for those Islamic groups that wish to bring the Shariah through the ballot box as not only is it against the Sunnah of the Prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam but it is falling in to the trap that the colonialist have laid for Muslims to compromise their Islam.

This attempt of the Kuffar to find a middle ground between Islam and Kufr and hence weaken and compromise Islam is nothing new. The Quraysh in Mecca realized that fighting the Dawah of the Prophet (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) and the Sahabah through oppression, torture, boycott, slander only strengthened the call to Islam. Hence they concluded that they would adopt a policy of reconciliation i.e. a policy of Inclusion.

It was reported by Ibn Ishaq (by Ibn Kathir ) that Ibn Abbas said “Leaders from Quraysh chiefs met – and he enumerated their names – after sunset at the rear of the Ka`ba. Some said, `Send for Muhammed and speak with him and argue with him so you will find excuse for him.’

So they sent a message to him (saw), saying, `The chiefs of your people have assembled to speak with you.’

The Messenger of Allah (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) came to them quickly, believing that there had been a change in their attitude to him. He was eager for them to accept the truth for their error, which was painful to him. He sat down with them.

“They said `O Muhammed, we sent for you to reconcile with you. By God, we know of no Arab man who has ever brought his people as much trouble as you have. You have reviled the forebears, criticized the religion, ridiculed the values, cursed the gods, and divided our community. Every unpleasant thing possible you have done to make a rift between you and us.

“If you had come to say these things merely to seek wealth, we would have collected money for you from our own until you were the richest among us. If what you wanted was prestige, we would have placed in leadership over us. If you had wanted sovereignty, we would have made you king over us.”

The Messenger of Allah replied. ‘What you have said does not apply to me. I have not brought you my message seeking your money, nor honour among you, nor sovereignty over you’.

From this section of the seerah it is clear that the prophet (saw) clearly rejected their offers as it was an attempt to compromise and dilute Islam.

The objective is not to seek power for the sake of power as demonstrated by the prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam.

The objective is for them to accept the sovereignty for Islam only and not some half baked shariah and Kufr mix which smell of capitalism.

**WFSdZuP3** · 03-01-2011, 10:25 PM

The only solution HT offer is secret halaqas and handing out leaflets which they've been doing for decades without any success to show for it.

**NiliSpuppypax** · 03-26-2011, 06:18 PM

Assalam-u-Alaikum
I am in Hyderabad from UK. Was trying to find a contact who would know about Hazrat Ji's forthcoming India trip schedule, specifically Hyderabad.
I am aware of Sh Ml Shafi Khan Saheb (db) in AP, might he or
you (Abu Hamza) be able to help please?
Jazakullah Khairun
Asad

**EmpokemyMok** · 03-26-2011, 06:32 PM

Assalam-u-Alaikum
I am in Hyderabad from UK. Was trying to find a contact who would know about Hazrat Ji's forthcoming India trip schedule, specifically Hyderabad.
I am aware of Sh Ml Shafi Khan Saheb (db) in AP, might he or
you (Abu Hamza) be able to help please?
Jazakullah Khairun
Asad

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...IVE-Broadcasts

**wpFWNoIt** · 03-26-2011, 07:59 PM

below is an article forwarded to me by a HT leaning friend and it does make some interesting observations. Looking for comments and critisisms from you all.

Impact of political participation on Islamic -parties:

They wish that you compromise, so they too can compromise [68:9]

For us to understand what they are planning for the region we need to examine how they have dealt with the Islamic parties over the last 40years.

The key in all these cases has been the military, the power which upholds the system, which remained secular and guaranteed the continuation of the system.

When we examine these Islamic parties closely it is not clear what Islam they intent to implement in society. Some parties advocate Shariah and some like Turkey’s Justice and Development Party (AKP), which is known to be an Islamic party, has removed almost every reference to Islam from its electoral platforms, and now describes itself as a “conservative” political party.

This was the case with the Renaissance Movement in Algeria, the Islamic Action Front in Jordan, Jamaat-i-Islami in Bangladesh, and the Justice and Development Party in Morocco, which dropped their support for the shariah.

This should be a clear warning for those Islamic groups that wish to bring the Shariah through the ballot box as not only is it against the Sunnah of the Prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam but it is falling in to the trap that the colonialist have laid for Muslims to compromise their Islam.

From this section of the seerah it is clear that the prophet (saw) clearly rejected their offers as it was an attempt to compromise and dilute Islam.

The objective is not to seek power for the sake of power as demonstrated by the prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam.

The objective is for them to accept the sovereignty for Islam only and not some half baked shariah and Kufr mix which smell of capitalism.

Your referred article is found here.

http://hizb-america.org/culture/isla...can-compromise

I am not expert on Quranic tafseer and Islamic politics. So, I will not comment on this article. But, I want you to be careful before reading any HT article.

One careful approach to reading any article from HT is that you should open a reliable Quranic tafseer book and see the explanations of the Quranic verses used in the HT article. Then you may understand if HT is really on the the right track.

**bredkumanfirst** · 03-26-2011, 11:53 PM

Your referred article is found here.

http://hizb-america.org/culture/isla...can-compromise

I am not expert on Quranic tafseer and Islamic politics. So, I will not comment on this article. But, I want you to be careful before reading any HT article.

One careful approach to reading any article from HT is that you should open a reliable Quranic tafseer book and see the explanations of the Quranic verses used in the HT article. Then you may understand if HT is really on the the right track.

agreed. but unfortunately, the more our ulema shun the political topics and current events of ummah, the more gets the appeal of fringe groups.

03-01-2011, 09:03 PM	#1
bredkumanfirst Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 330 Senior Member	Impact of political participation on Islamic -parties below is an article forwarded to me by a HT leaning friend and it does make some interesting observations. Looking for comments and critisisms from you all. Impact of political participation on Islamic -parties: They wish that you compromise, so they too can compromise [68:9] The sweeping change across the Middle East has taken many by surprise. Although some had talked about change setting off a domino effect, they did not expect it to be so sudden, with such power. Due to this sudden change, there is a political vacuum, which the west is trying to fill with a cautious call for democracy. They are cautious because various reports, surveys and intelligence all indicate that political Islam is waiting in the wings looking to fill this vacuum. Faced with this reality they are formulating policies on how to reign in the “Islamists”. They talk of the ‘politics of inclusion’, which they feel they have successfully used in Turkey to control Islamic political parties. But they are fully aware that the Middle East is not Turkey and currently there is no support on the ground for secular democracy. For us to understand what they are planning for the region we need to examine how they have dealt with the Islamic parties over the last 40years. The commonly quoted examples of successes of Islamic political parties in democratic elections are the Islamic Salvation Front in Algeria (1991), the Justice and Development Party in Turkey (2002 and 2007), and the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in Palestine (2006). In all these cases they have managed to contain the influence of these parties and have worked, in the long run, to secularise them. The key in all these cases has been the military, the power which upholds the system, which remained secular and guaranteed the continuation of the system. Indeed, over the last forty years Islamic political parties have stood in 89 parliamentary elections in 21 countries (Source: Inter-Parliamentary Union). Over the years a multiple Islamic parties have entered the democratic process fighting for the same vote, splitting their constituency and hence having minimal impact. In Indonesia there are as many as nine Islamic parties competing for the same vote. When we examine these Islamic parties closely it is not clear what Islam they intent to implement in society. Some parties advocate Shariah and some like Turkey’s Justice and Development Party (AKP), which is known to be an Islamic party, has removed almost every reference to Islam from its electoral platforms, and now describes itself as a “conservative” political party. A study of 48 Islamic parties and their electoral platforms dating from 1969 to 2009, reveals a confused picture: Only 50% of these parties call for the implementation of Shariah 75% endorse democracy. Some of them try to justify it as “Shura democracy” The top three concerns were implementation of Shariah, economy and the “Islamic Morals” Democratisation or liberalization was one on the top three issue for 11 platforms. Mixing Shariah, democracy and liberalisation in these platforms clearly showed that these parties were not clear about what they stood for and hence their results at the polls were unimpressive. In their attempt to enter the democratic process they compromised and lost the trust of the electorate, it was also hard to account them on their promises as they played a deceptive game with the authorities. The impact on the Islamic political parties entering the democratic process can be seen in the graph below. There is a clear tendency towards liberalisation. A study showed that prior to the mid 1990s a majority of the platforms favoured the implementation of Shariah, a ban on interest and made some mention of Jihad and opposition to Israel. Since then more than half have dropped such claims and adopted more liberal values like calling for women’s rights and democracy. The study concluded that “Islamic parties have (relative to their starting point) liberalised their stances significantly over the past several decades”. This was the intended aim of the policy of the ‘politics of inclusion’ – which states that “Islamist politicians will have to deal with others whose principles they do not necessarily accept, forcing them to compromise their abstract principles in the direction of reality…. The movement will have to move beyond facile slogans to declare its position on a variety of difficult issues; it will have to adopt a platform open to public scrutiny” Gerd Nonneman (expert in Middle Eastern politics at Lancaster University in England) says “They’ve been made a part of the game, and the radical edges will be smoothed out as they get a stake in the status quo,” “Once you become a part of the parliament, you have interests you want to maintain, and you don’t want to upset the whole system,” Nonneman says. “The pattern over the past 20 years is that when these groups get integrated into the political game and acquire a stake in it, by and large they lose their extremist tinge.” This was the case with the Renaissance Movement in Algeria, the Islamic Action Front in Jordan, Jamaat-i-Islami in Bangladesh, and the Justice and Development Party in Morocco, which dropped their support for the shariah. Also another point to note is that no party added a call for Shari‘a to its agenda. Some parties which had referred to Jihad such as Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, Jamaat-i-Islami in Bangladesh, and the Yemeni Congregation for Reform removed the term from their platforms. The process of political participation had the desired effect of secularising these parties completely; they openly embraced the norms of democracy and human rights. This not only occurred at the party level but also at the individual member level. It was noted that before electoral success members would not shake hands with women and participate in interfaith dialogue, but after it was not an issue. Over the years as the Islamic parties competed with the secular parties they have moved towards the centre of the ideological spectrum. They are seen to be no different to mainstream secular parties. As the graph above show they have compromised on those issue which defined them as Islamic. “Islamist parties will soon fall into the ‘normal perspective’ within the political system; that is, they will no longer represent something special but will start to resemble other political parties with their same strengths, weaknesses, mistakes, foibles, and even corruption. This process has in fact happened in Turkey and Pakistan, where Islamist parties are a normal and, very often, unexciting part of the political spectrum. …. This strategy, which is designed to change, compromise, and educate the Isamist.” [“A sense of Siege”—The Geopolitics of Islam and the west – RAND] This should be a clear warning for those Islamic groups that wish to bring the Shariah through the ballot box as not only is it against the Sunnah of the Prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam but it is falling in to the trap that the colonialist have laid for Muslims to compromise their Islam. This attempt of the Kuffar to find a middle ground between Islam and Kufr and hence weaken and compromise Islam is nothing new. The Quraysh in Mecca realized that fighting the Dawah of the Prophet (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) and the Sahabah through oppression, torture, boycott, slander only strengthened the call to Islam. Hence they concluded that they would adopt a policy of reconciliation i.e. a policy of Inclusion. It was reported by Ibn Ishaq (by Ibn Kathir ) that Ibn Abbas said “Leaders from Quraysh chiefs met – and he enumerated their names – after sunset at the rear of the Ka`ba. Some said, `Send for Muhammed and speak with him and argue with him so you will find excuse for him.’ So they sent a message to him (saw), saying, `The chiefs of your people have assembled to speak with you.’ The Messenger of Allah (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) came to them quickly, believing that there had been a change in their attitude to him. He was eager for them to accept the truth for their error, which was painful to him. He sat down with them. “They said `O Muhammed, we sent for you to reconcile with you. By God, we know of no Arab man who has ever brought his people as much trouble as you have. You have reviled the forebears, criticized the religion, ridiculed the values, cursed the gods, and divided our community. Every unpleasant thing possible you have done to make a rift between you and us. “If you had come to say these things merely to seek wealth, we would have collected money for you from our own until you were the richest among us. If what you wanted was prestige, we would have placed in leadership over us. If you had wanted sovereignty, we would have made you king over us.” The Messenger of Allah replied. ‘What you have said does not apply to me. I have not brought you my message seeking your money, nor honour among you, nor sovereignty over you’. From this section of the seerah it is clear that the prophet (saw) clearly rejected their offers as it was an attempt to compromise and dilute Islam. The objective is not to seek power for the sake of power as demonstrated by the prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam. The objective is for them to accept the sovereignty for Islam only and not some half baked shariah and Kufr mix which smell of capitalism. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-26-2011, 06:18 PM	#3
NiliSpuppypax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	Assalam-u-Alaikum I am in Hyderabad from UK. Was trying to find a contact who would know about Hazrat Ji's forthcoming India trip schedule, specifically Hyderabad. I am aware of Sh Ml Shafi Khan Saheb (db) in AP, might he or you (Abu Hamza) be able to help please? Jazakullah Khairun Asad Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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EmpokemyMok Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 503 Senior Member	Assalam-u-Alaikum I am in Hyderabad from UK. Was trying to find a contact who would know about Hazrat Ji's forthcoming India trip schedule, specifically Hyderabad. I am aware of Sh Ml Shafi Khan Saheb (db) in AP, might he or you (Abu Hamza) be able to help please? Jazakullah Khairun Asad http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...IVE-Broadcasts Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-26-2011, 07:59 PM	#5
wpFWNoIt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 386 Senior Member	below is an article forwarded to me by a HT leaning friend and it does make some interesting observations. Looking for comments and critisisms from you all. Impact of political participation on Islamic -parties: They wish that you compromise, so they too can compromise [68:9] For us to understand what they are planning for the region we need to examine how they have dealt with the Islamic parties over the last 40years. The key in all these cases has been the military, the power which upholds the system, which remained secular and guaranteed the continuation of the system. When we examine these Islamic parties closely it is not clear what Islam they intent to implement in society. Some parties advocate Shariah and some like Turkey’s Justice and Development Party (AKP), which is known to be an Islamic party, has removed almost every reference to Islam from its electoral platforms, and now describes itself as a “conservative” political party. This was the case with the Renaissance Movement in Algeria, the Islamic Action Front in Jordan, Jamaat-i-Islami in Bangladesh, and the Justice and Development Party in Morocco, which dropped their support for the shariah. This should be a clear warning for those Islamic groups that wish to bring the Shariah through the ballot box as not only is it against the Sunnah of the Prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam but it is falling in to the trap that the colonialist have laid for Muslims to compromise their Islam. From this section of the seerah it is clear that the prophet (saw) clearly rejected their offers as it was an attempt to compromise and dilute Islam. The objective is not to seek power for the sake of power as demonstrated by the prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam. The objective is for them to accept the sovereignty for Islam only and not some half baked shariah and Kufr mix which smell of capitalism. Your referred article is found here. http://hizb-america.org/culture/isla...can-compromise I am not expert on Quranic tafseer and Islamic politics. So, I will not comment on this article. But, I want you to be careful before reading any HT article. One careful approach to reading any article from HT is that you should open a reliable Quranic tafseer book and see the explanations of the Quranic verses used in the HT article. Then you may understand if HT is really on the the right track. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-26-2011, 11:53 PM	#6
bredkumanfirst Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 330 Senior Member	Your referred article is found here. http://hizb-america.org/culture/isla...can-compromise I am not expert on Quranic tafseer and Islamic politics. So, I will not comment on this article. But, I want you to be careful before reading any HT article. One careful approach to reading any article from HT is that you should open a reliable Quranic tafseer book and see the explanations of the Quranic verses used in the HT article. Then you may understand if HT is really on the the right track. agreed. but unfortunately, the more our ulema shun the political topics and current events of ummah, the more gets the appeal of fringe groups. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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