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What is normal?

This is a common misunderstanding I keep seeing on the forum. Let me clarify again, what one shaikh practices, his methodology, doesnt apply to everyone. Different people have different methodology. I think in Moulana Shah Hakeem Akhtar sahabs db silsilah the mureeds are forbidden to write or say these types of things. But in other shuyookh silsilah the mureed has to write or say such things. I think in many places in Fazail e Amaal Shaikh Zakariyyah ra calls many bad things to himself.

Sometimes tawadho instills deep in a person, cannot help but to say and feel such things. Sometimes even worse than to think such things, a person will wish to even committ suicide but doesnt because it is haraam - ghalba of tawazo can go to such an extent.

Person sometimes has to mention he has khilafath so that it shows he has some authority to speak on the topic. If a person gave fatwa on here we can ask him what authority he has to give fatwa.

Well hazrat, there is a big difference in giving a fatwa and talking about tasawwuf. For giving a fatwa you need to be a mufti. But if you are copying a fatwa you can easily say that Mufti Fulan Sahib has said this.

While talking about tasawwuf a person doesn't have to be a khalifah. When questioned he can easily say that it's my sheikh's teachings. And it is true. He's not inventing something new. He must've copied it from somewhere.

That's the difference.

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What is normal?

This is a common misunderstanding I keep seeing on the forum. Let me clarify again, what one shaikh practices, his methodology, doesnt apply to everyone. Different people have different methodology. I think in Moulana Shah Hakeem Akhtar sahabs db silsilah the mureeds are forbidden to write or say these types of things. But in other shuyookh silsilah the mureed has to write or say such things. I think in many places in Fazail e Amaal Shaikh Zakariyyah ra calls many bad things to himself.

Sometimes tawadho instills deep in a person, cannot help but to say and feel such things. Sometimes even worse than to think such things, a person will wish to even committ suicide but doesnt because it is haraam - ghalba of tawazo can go to such an extent.

Person sometimes has to mention he has khilafath so that it shows he has some authority to speak on the topic. If a person gave fatwa on here we can ask him what authority he has to give fatwa.

Well hazrat, there is a big difference in giving a fatwa and talking about tasawwuf. For giving a fatwa you need to be a mufti. But if you are copying a fatwa you can easily say that Mufti Fulan Sahib has said this.

While talking about tasawwuf a person doesn't have to be a khalifah. When questioned he can easily say that it's my sheikh's teachings. And it is true. He's not inventing something new. He must've copied it from somewhere.

That's the difference.

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What is normal?

This is a common misunderstanding I keep seeing on the forum. Let me clarify again, what one shaikh practices, his methodology, doesnt apply to everyone. Different people have different methodology. I think in Moulana Shah Hakeem Akhtar sahabs db silsilah the mureeds are forbidden to write or say these types of things. But in other shuyookh silsilah the mureed has to write or say such things. I think in many places in Fazail e Amaal Shaikh Zakariyyah ra calls many bad things to himself.

Sometimes tawadho instills deep in a person, cannot help but to say and feel such things. Sometimes even worse than to think such things, a person will wish to even committ suicide but doesnt because it is haraam - ghalba of tawazo can go to such an extent.

Person sometimes has to mention he has khilafath so that it shows he has some authority to speak on the topic. If a person gave fatwa on here we can ask him what authority he has to give fatwa.

a really really important point you made, which is forgotten many a times.

Ive read Shaykh Tahnwi disliked people praising someone infront of the person being praised. He also disliked anyone being praised too much.

To the opening poster, my advice is to have husne dhan of the statements, and not to make to much praiseworthy statements to people to their faces.

[Poohoppesmase]

Assalamu alaykum

Let me quote my personal experience.

I made a bayan in local masjid. I told about sifaat of Allah swt, he is razzaq, he is qadir etc. Allah gives us rizq etc.

After the bayan one brother teased me "when are you resigning from your job" I asked "why", he said "you only told now that Allah swt is razzaq"

Should I be tested for what I said. If that is the case no one will open his mouth on sifaat.

I wish that I could hear your bayan, brother. WS.

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Assalamu alaykum

Let me quote my personal experience.

I made a bayan in local masjid. I told about sifaat of Allah swt, he is razzaq, he is qadir etc. Allah gives us rizq etc.

After the bayan one brother teased me "when are you resigning from your job" I asked "why", he said "you only told now that Allah swt is razzaq"

Should I be tested for what I said. If that is the case no one will open his mouth on sifaat.

After reading this post i remember the Ayat of surah Yaseen, in which non-beleivers behaved the similar way. It is sad to know today beleivers are behaving like those non-beleivers.

Surah Ya-Seen #36, Ayat #47

[And when it is said to them: "Spend of that with which Allâh has provided you," those who disbelieve say to those who believe: "Shall we feed those whom, if Allâh willed, He (Himself) would have fed? You are only in a plain error." (47). ]

[Vapepreab]

It's like saying, "I am proud of my humility"


On a more serious note, one of the worst sins of the heart is to hold suspicions and ill-thoughts regarding your Muslim brother without solid proof that can't be interpreted any other way.

[Rithlilky]

Well, we shouldn't be so quick to accuse the brother who opened this thread of harboring ill-thoughts in his heart either, as many elders in the past have adressed this "fake Tawwadhu". Just listen to the Bayan by Shaykh Muhammad Saleem Dhorat [DB], which I posted before.

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to all,
in fact many say it frankly, a minority as show-off, but this state start in the inner self then only one expresses it with the tongue, whereas some do the opposite nowadays.
We should not try to emulate elders' comments, but what they themselves followed and encouraged us to follow.

That way we may hope reach such a stage.

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Funny how everyone advising me not to hold ill thoughts and have husn e dhann, they themselves are holding ill thoughts and bad dhann about me

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What is normal?

This is a common misunderstanding I keep seeing on the forum. Let me clarify again, what one shaikh practices, his methodology, doesnt apply to everyone. Different people have different methodology. I think in Moulana Shah Hakeem Akhtar sahabs db silsilah the mureeds are forbidden to write or say these types of things. But in other shuyookh silsilah the mureed has to write or say such things. I think in many places in Fazail e Amaal Shaikh Zakariyyah ra calls many bad things to himself.

Sometimes tawadho instills deep in a person, cannot help but to say and feel such things. Sometimes even worse than to think such things, a person will wish to even committ suicide but doesnt because it is haraam - ghalba of tawazo can go to such an extent.

Person sometimes has to mention he has khilafath so that it shows he has some authority to speak on the topic. If a person gave fatwa on here we can ask him what authority he has to give fatwa.

To clarify, Hazrat Maulana Shah Hakeem Akhtar Sahib (db) does not necessarily forbid the usage of these words. Hazrat (db) himself has written and said 'ahqar' to describe himself on numerous occasions. What Hazrat (db) warns against is the ploys of the nafs where an individual says such things not out of sincerity but to hear the praises of others.