[Sniliabiz]

Dear Brothers in Islam .
A huge 24 hrs, Sin is that to Shave The Beard or to trim it Less than one fist in Length

A Muslim and 24 hrs Sin !,ah!
one should think of it , and do sincere Tooba From this SIN O MY BELOVED BROTHER

Not Fear From Any one , Make a full intention that I WILL NOT SHAVE OR TRIM THE BEARD Less Than One Fist In Length

Ask from Your Nafs?
Do we ashame of having Beard Like Our Beloved Nabi
If Suppose Our Beloved Nabi ask on the Day Of Judegment (Qayamat) when we are watching Our Beloved Nabi for Shifaát , that What you not make Face Like Me ? Why u make Face Like Heroes,Cricket or football player or any one who is shaving or trimming beard less than one fist in length

I am not giving any Fatawas or References , u ask ur self From Authentic Darul Ifta ,
It is Just Dard e Dil of Mine and My Shiekh Arif Billah Hazrat Maulana Shah Hakeem Muhammad Akhtar Sahab Damat Barkatuhum and All AULIYA AND PIOUS People ,

May Allah Taála save all of us from this 24 Hrs Sin of Shaving BEARD and trimming less than one fist in length and all sins

[DJkillos]

[ultimda horaf]

There is no option for, 'My beard doesn't grow yet'.

[Sniliabiz]

There is no option for, 'My beard doesn't grow yet'.

Dear Brother
if u have ur desire that u will keep it to one fist in length , then still u r getting reward From Allah talah,

similarly if one's beard not grew till one fist he will get the same reward From Allah tala

[agildeta]

Dear Brothers in Islam .
A huge 24 hrs, Sin is that to Shave The Beard or to trim it Less than one fist in Length

A Muslim and 24 hrs Sin !,ah!
one should think of it , and do sincere Tooba From this SIN O MY BELOVED BROTHER

Not Fear From Any one , Make a full intention that I WILL NOT SHAVE OR TRIM THE BEARD Less Than One Fist In Length

Ask from Your Nafs?
Do we ashame of having Beard Like Our Beloved Nabi
If Suppose Our Beloved Nabi ask on the Day Of Judegment (Qayamat) when we are watching Our Beloved Nabi for Shifaát , that What you not make Face Like Me ? Why u make Face Like Heroes,Cricket or football player or any one who is shaving or trimming beard less than one fist in length

I am not giving any Fatawas or References , u ask ur self From Authentic Darul Ifta ,
It is Just Dard e Dil of Mine and My Shiekh Arif Billah Hazrat Maulana Shah Hakeem Muhammad Akhtar Sahab Damat Barkatuhum and All AULIYA AND PIOUS People ,

May Allah Taála save all of us from this 24 Hrs Sin of Shaving BEARD and trimming less than one fist in length and all sins

JazakAllah Brother....Beard is definately one of the commandments for muslim men....
However you say that it is a 24 hour sin...I do not doubt your intentions neither of those who say that it is a 24 hour sin...But brother is it not going overboard in stressing the importance of this sunnah??...bcoz i know people who say that shaving is a greater sin than alchohol/zina bcoz you do these sins only for a set period of time say...30 mins...but you dont have a beard 24 hrs so this is a 24 hour sin.. Nowhere does it mention in the Quran or sunnah or the great scholars of the past ever said that anything can be greater than the gunah kabeera mentioned in Quran and Hadees

I have a sunnah beard...so dnt get me wrong...all i am saying is that its not this kind of logical defination exaggerates the status of one command of Islam....I think we should refrain from classifying the sin of something in a way other than it is done in the Quran and Sunnah...If i were to encourage anyone to keep a beard i wud do so in other ways and i believe such a statement (24 hour sin) would humiliate the shaving person instead of making him grow a beard...And Allah Knows best...

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

^^ When you don't stress something categorically then people tend to get lazy. Any commandment of Islam should be strictly remembered when so much people are neglectful of it. Had 'ulama not maintain riba is haram even in non-muslim coutries and taken the permissive approach (which the ikhwani still take by the way) there would be no or little islamic finance nowadays.

[agildeta]

^^ When you don't stress something categorically then people tend to get lazy. Any commandment of Islam should be strictly remembered when so much people are neglectful of it. Had 'ulama not maintain riba is haram even in non-muslim coutries and taken the permissive approach (which the ikhwani still take by the way) there would be no or little islamic finance nowadays.

I never said that it should not be stressed categorically....neither did i say that shaving the beard is not haram...that is something that has been decided long ago by the ulema...my point was that saying something like 24 hr sin and 'greater than zina' is something not there and we shud refrain from saying this...the laymen when they to hear such statements tend to take the wrong meaning and might get a wrong understanding of sharia...And Allah Knows best

[aliceingoogs]

.my point was that saying something like 24 hr sin and 'greater than zina'

I once heard a person saying in bayan that leaving a single sunnah is worse than zina. After the bayan I asked the Mufti sahab of the masjid. He said the speaker was not correct. I agree with br. DepressedMuslim, that we shouldn't say wrong things to prove a point.
And Allaah knows best.

[LillyPlay]

So if one follows the shafi'i ruling of trimmed beard being permitted, they are sinning too 24/7?

[crycleascentyv]

Brother Amal Karein, no doubt in your intentions.

But here's the thing, we try to go overboard with such things. I hate to see bearded people backbiting, slandering, causing disunity amongst the ummah, no adab, no care for others,...etc are these not worse than NOT keeping a beard!

[VipInoLo]

If you're going to trim it, you really should just go to a barber; it's not too hard to learn how to trim it yourself, but it's wiser just to have someone who knows what they're doing trim it.

[movlabc]

a. I heard Maulana Dhooma Saheb, who teaches Mishkaat and Tirmidhi Shareef in Madrasah Inaamiyah mentioning to me that two are such sins that they become perpetual. i.e untill you make tauba from them, you get the sin for it every moment. One is trailing your garment below the ankles and the second is triming your beard less than a fist (i.e not keeping the Shar'i length) [I believe it will apply to shaving as well, because that is haram according to all]

b. Brother Amal Karein has posts all his posts in amr bil ma'ruf and nahi anil munkar. Please read all his posts. So NO ONE should argue that he is emphacising on one sunnah or on sin more than the other. Not every post can contain ALL the good and ALL the bads. Sometime we need specific guidance and not just general chit chat. I encourage brother to continue posting these precious pieces..

[bloriMal]

I never said that it should not be stressed categorically....neither did i say that shaving the beard is not haram...that is something that has been decided long ago by the ulema...my point was that saying something like 24 hr sin and 'greater than zina' is something not there and we shud refrain from saying this...the laymen when they to hear such statements tend to take the wrong meaning and might get a wrong understanding of sharia...And Allah Knows best

Brother, the statement that this is a 24 hour sin is not wrong at all. In fact this is exactly what makes it a bigger sin than most other sins.....Just like it is a continuous sin if a woman goes without Hijab in front of Na Mehram........it is a continuous sin because unless a Muslim repents from it, he is involved in it all the time.

Another thing that makes it so important is that there are certain things which are indications of a pious muslim. Im not saying that a person with beard is definitely pious, but it is certainly something that all the Aulia and Sulaha practice. The same goes for keeping your Ankles exposed.

That is probably why all the Ulama and Mashaikh emphasize on its importance.

[Diondra]

a. I heard Maulana Dhooma Saheb, who teaches Mishkaat and Tirmidhi Shareef in Madrasah Inaamiyah mentioning to me that two are such sins that they become perpetual. i.e untill you make tauba from them, you get the sin for it every moment. One is trailing your garment below the ankles and the second is triming your beard less than a fist (i.e not keeping the Shar'i length) [I believe it will apply to shaving as well, because that is haram according to all]

While this is a concept mentioned by Hadrat Shaykh Mawlana Zakariyyah saheb in his booklet on the beard and perpetuated by most of our Ulama, even by some Muhaqqiqin like Mf. Rashid Ahmed Ludyanwi saheb, I have never been able to understand it with regard to the beard.

When a person shaves his beard, the effects of it are long-lasting ie. until the beard regrows. It is sometimes claimed that until the beard grows again or he makes tawbah, he is continuously in sin.
The possible basis for this seems to be:
1- The effect of the sin is present thus the sin would continue to accrue for as long as the effect of it remains.
This seems completely illogical as it would mean that one would continue earning sin for zina as long as the illegitimate offspring born therefrom remains alive! There are many sins that leave behind an effect, yet the perpetrator of them isn't classified a 24 hour sinner.

2- The other possible reasoning is that one accustomed to shaving his beard intends shaving it tomorrow again, so it is as if he is continuously intending committing haram.
This argument is even weaker than the first as it could apply to every type of sin in addition to being terribly flawed.

As for the application of this concept to one keeping his garment below his ankle, it could be understood on the basis of the action not being a momentary one whose effect is long lasting (like shaving the beard), instead it is an action that repeats itself , allowing one to raise it at any second, so the continuous leaving of it, is in reality continuous perpetration of the action of keeping it below the ankle.
This wouldn't apply to the beard, as it doesn't have this tajaddud (continuous repetition) in it.

I have discussed this concept with a number of Ulama and have yet to find one who could explain its application to the beard in a satisfactory manner.
If anyone here could do so, I would appreciate it.

This argument or the weakness of it wouldn't affect the ruling of the beard, as that has been clearly discussed by the Fuqaha.
A simple search on SF will show one the dozens of proofs for keeping a full beard.

[cucceevevaind]

There does not appear to be any no logic to it.

What do the Ulama say regarding a woman who cut her hair to a length below the prescribed limit - Would she be perpetually in a state of sin until it grows back Or would the sin only be incurred each time she cuts it?

[agildeta]

While this is a concept mentioned by Hazrat Shaykh Mawlana Zakariyyah saheb in his booklet on the beard and perpetuated by most of our Ulama, even by some Muhaqqiqin like Mf. Rashid Ahmed Ludyanwi saheb, I have never been able to understand it with regard to the beard.

When a person shaves his beard, the effects of it are long-lasting ie. until the beard regrows. It is sometimes claimed that until the beard grows again or he makes tawbah, he is continuously in sin.
The possible basis for this seems to be:
1- The effect of the sin is present thus the sin would continue to accrue for as long as the effect of it remains.
This seems completely illogical as it would mean that one would continue earning sin for zina as long as the illegitimate offspring born therefrom remains alive! There are many sins that leave behind an effect, yet the perpetrator of them isn't classified a 24 hour sinner.

2- The other possible reasoning is that one accustomed to shaving his beard intends shaving it tomorrow again, so it is as if he is continuously intending committing haram.
This argument is even weaker than the first as it could apply to every type of sin in addition to being terribly flawed.

As for the application of this concept to one keeping his garment below his ankle, it could be understood on the basis of the action not being a momentary one whose effect is long lasting (like shaving the beard), instead it is an action that repeats itself , allowing one to raise it at any second, so the continuous leaving of it, is in reality continuous perpetration of the action of keeping it below the ankle.
This wouldn't apply to the beard, as it doesn't have this tajaddud (continuous repetition) in it.

I have discussed this concept with a number of Ulama and have yet to find one who could explain its application to the beard in a satisfactory manner.
If anyone here could do so, I would appreciate it.

This argument or the weakness of it wouldn't affect the ruling of the beard, as that has been clearly discussed by the Fuqaha.
A simple search on SF will show one the dozens of proofs for keeping a full beard.

Assalamualaikum Mufti Sahab...This was exactly what was in my mind but i didnt write it here because the brother mentioned some alims so i dint want to start off a controversy....And as 'not keeping the beard' can hardly be defined as an action and the actual sin is shaving it off. which one is not doing all the time...And is there not something in the shariah which says that a person is rewarded with the sawab of a gud deed when he intends it even if he does not do it...and he does not incur a sin until he acts upon his intention of one??

[fil_nurser]

While this is a concept mentioned by Hadrat Shaykh Mawlana Zakariyyah saheb in his booklet on the beard and perpetuated by most of our Ulama, even by some Muhaqqiqin like Mf. Rashid Ahmed Ludyanwi saheb, I have never been able to understand it with regard to the beard.
(Edit: It seems that this concept wasn't mentioned by Hadrat Shaykh, rather by other Ulama)

Assalamu aliakum mufti saheb,

It is indeed mentioned by Moulana Zakariyya saheb in his book on the beard. I can see it now on page 4. He takes this concept further and links it with the hadith "When an adulterer is committing adultery he is not a mo'min."

I too had reservations against this logic since sometime. JazakAllah.

[Diondra]

Assalamu aliakum mufti saheb,

It is indeed mentioned by Moulana Zakariyya saheb in his book on the beard. I can see it now on page 4. He takes this concept further and links it with the hadith "When an adulterer is committing adultery he is not a mo'min."

I too had reservations against this logic since sometime. JazakAllah.

JazakAllah for that. I was sure that I read it there years ago.

[67Irralphaisa]

salaam

i beleive mufti rashid ludhvani (ra) has a talk regarding the beard where he was very harsh towards those who shave. ihe also mentioned alot of reasons which some people give is very close to kufr such as 1) they hate the beard, 2) they are ashmed of it 3) shaving is better than growing a beard.

shaikh riyadul haq also used to have a lecture regarding the beard but it is unavaible now but if anyone knows close mureeds of the shaikh i recommend one listens to it

[UMATURLIN]

I think the logic behind shaving being a "24 hour sin" is that when you shave and go out in public you're showing off your sin proudly, and encouraging others to do the same (becoming a fajir I think? rather than a fasiq). Regardless however, as Mufti saheb mentioned, the ruling on keeping the beard remains.