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What deep sight Maulana sahib had

This bayaan and the one he delivered at Dewsbury Markaz on its opening.

[chuecfafresslds]

http://theijtema.wordpress.com/2012/...n-1961-part-1/

[SteantyjetMaw]

http://theijtema.wordpress.com/2012/...n-1961-part-1/

JazakAllah khayr. Very much appreciated.

[D6Ri5u13]

now download this historical speech with more clear voice
http://archive.org/download/DawatoTa...nburma1961.mp3

Br.pluto you r buzurg,may be u cant accept,today afternoon our ijtema was completed,in last bayan of ijtema one very elder of gujarat quoted this speech,after completed ijtema when i was in his khidmat,i told that i have this speech in mo.ali miyas voice,suddenly he shocked and then tell me if you will write some points plz send me.......
when i came back to home and saw forum i saw ur post about points
jazakalalh
plz listen that bayan of our ijtema as in that bayan some very amazing quotes of elders

[irrelaAnnekly]

Yeah Bro.Pluto is a buzurg I knew this from the beginning just when I joined this forum.

[chuecfafresslds]

JazakAllah khayr. Very much appreciated.

Duas sis. Please.

now download this historical speech with more clear voice
http://archive.org/download/DawatoTa...nburma1961.mp3

Br.pluto you r buzurg,may be u cant accept,today afternoon our ijtema was completed,in last bayan of ijtema one very elder of gujarat quoted this speech,after completed ijtema when i was in his khidmat,i told that i have this speech in mo.ali miyas voice,suddenly he shocked and then tell me if you will write some points plz send me.......
when i came back to home and saw forum i saw ur post about points
jazakalalh
plz listen that bayan of our ijtema as in that bayan some very amazing quotes of elders

Yeah Bro.Pluto is a buzurg I knew this from the beginning just when I joined this forum.

Yes, I'm a buzurg, I will accept it wholeheartedly. And because I'm a buzurg. I can say everybody here is a Wali.

You can't deny it, can you? Because a 'buzurg' said it
Anyways the 2nd part is done - I have some minor things to correct.

a) At around 03:07, Hadrath says 'seeyan hai ke musalman hain' - I didn't get that at all, what does it mean? At that point he speaks too fast.

b) At the same time, he says "abhi to yeh buddhist hain, magar 'seeyan hai ke musalman hain' magar jab yeh 'budhist ho jaayegi'.... - I didn't get this - the sentence is contrary as you can see - i'm missing something here - please listen and respond, its at 03.00

c) what would be the correct definition of the word 'jhonk' - "apne aap ku is kaam mein jhonk do' ??

d) what is the meaning of 'kalimah gor' is it any kalimah reading Muslim?

e) what is meaning of 'saheb e khiraafat' is it a man who can look into the future?

the 2nd part is even more amazing. wait for it.

[Ruiptuptubre]

Duas sis. Please.





Yes, I'm a buzurg, I will accept it wholeheartedly. And because I'm a buzurg. I can say everybody here is a Wali.

You can't deny it, can you? Because a 'buzurg' said it
Anyways the 2nd part is done - I have some minor things to correct.

a) At around 03:07, Hadrath says 'seeyan hai ke musalman hain' - I didn't get that at all, what does it mean? At that point he speaks too fast.

b) At the same time, he says "abhi to yeh buddhist hain, magar 'seeyan hai ke musalman hain' magar jab yeh 'budhist ho jaayegi'.... - I didn't get this - the sentence is contrary as you can see - i'm missing something here - please listen and respond, its at 03.00

c) what would be the correct definition of the word 'jhonk' - "apne aap ku is kaam mein jhonk do' ??

d) what is the meaning of 'kalimah gor' is it any kalimah reading Muslim?

e) what is meaning of 'saheb e khiraafat' is it a man who can look into the future?

the 2nd part is even more amazing. wait for it.

what would be the correct definition of the word 'jhonk' - "apne aap ku is kaam mein jhonk do' ??

It means to get involved in the said deed deeply and wholeheartedly.

[ahagotyou]

what would be the correct definition of the word 'jhonk' - "apne aap ku is kaam mein jhonk do' ??

It means to get involved in the said deed deeply and wholeheartedly.

Jhonk literaly means to put in a fire to burn. The substance which is put in fire looses everything it has and its existance inorder to keep the fire going despite all the heat and pain it undergoes. Same should be done for the work of Tabhligh. It's a word more commonly used in Uttar Pradesh where the Shaykh hails from.

[ZXRamon]

a) At around 03:07, Hadrath says 'seeyan hai ke musalman hain' - I didn't get that at all, what does it mean? At that point he speaks too fast.
"seenay say musalman hay"

b) At the same time, he says "abhi to yeh buddhist hain, magar 'seeyan hai ke musalman hain' magar jab yeh 'budhist ho jaayegi'.... - I didn't get this - the sentence is contrary as you can see - i'm missing something here - please listen and respond, its at 03.00
The government is neither budhist, but Muslim at heart (?). But when it will becomes Budhist, then protection of your religion, its propagation, and efforts of ilm, all of this will become your sole responsiblity. Noone else will be held responsible for this except you.

c) what would be the correct definition of the word 'jhonk' - "apne aap ku is kaam mein jhonk do' ??
immerse

d) what is the meaning of 'kalimah gor' is it any kalimah reading Muslim?
kalimah goh - one who recites kalima - i.e. Muslim

e) what is meaning of 'saheb e khiraafat' is it a man who can look into the future?
Sahib e firasat - literally mens "man of insight", but referring to kashf, one who is shown glimpses of some future events.

[chuecfafresslds]

what would be the correct definition of the word 'jhonk' - "apne aap ku is kaam mein jhonk do' ??

It means to get involved in the said deed deeply and wholeheartedly.

Jhonk literaly means to put in a fire to burn. The substance which is put in fire looses everything it has and its existance inorder to keep the fire going despite all the heat and pain it undergoes. Same should be done for the work of Tabhligh. It's a word more commonly used in Uttar Pradesh where the Shaykh hails from.

Yes, jhonk is more in the line of what mohtashms said, so is it ok if I put ' burn yourself in the work ' yet that doesn't look proper. Let me know.

a) At around 03:07, Hadrath says 'seeyan hai ke musalman hain' - I didn't get that at all, what does it mean? At that point he speaks too fast.
"seenay say musalman hay"

b) At the same time, he says "abhi to yeh buddhist hain, magar 'seeyan hai ke musalman hain' magar jab yeh 'budhist ho jaayegi'.... - I didn't get this - the sentence is contrary as you can see - i'm missing something here - please listen and respond, its at 03.00
The government is neither budhist, but Muslim at heart (?). But when it will becomes Budhist, then protection of your religion, its propagation, and efforts of ilm, all of this will become your sole responsiblity. Noone else will be held responsible for this except you.

c) what would be the correct definition of the word 'jhonk' - "apne aap ku is kaam mein jhonk do' ??
immerse

d) what is the meaning of 'kalimah gor' is it any kalimah reading Muslim?
kalimah goh - one who recites kalima - i.e. Muslim

e) what is meaning of 'saheb e khiraafat' is it a man who can look into the future?
Sahib e firasat - literally mens "man of insight", but referring to kashf, one who is shown glimpses of some future events.

i think (a) is still doubtful sis, is it possible...like "abhi to na yeh buddhist hain magar seenay hain to musalman hain' because before 1962, there were some Muslims in the ruling coalition party that was in power, one party in the coalition was Muslim dominated, controlled.

for the other inputs, everyone.

[chuecfafresslds]

no one yet?

[ZXRamon]

a better word for the last one can be "man of foresight"

ma'sha allah great work.

[chuecfafresslds]

a better word for the last one can be "man of foresight"

ma'sha allah great work.

sister what about (a) ? thats proving to be very tough

[ZXRamon]

sister what about (a) ? thats proving to be very tough

can you please post your translation for that section, a few lines before it, and a few lines after it. I want to see the context of how you are translating it. And then I'll try to see what the main problem is. Jazak'Allah khair. You can remove it after a few minutes.

[chuecfafresslds]

can you please post your translation for that section, a few lines before it, and a few lines after it. I want to see the context of how you are translating it. And then I'll try to see what the main problem is. Jazak'Allah khair. You can remove it after a few minutes.

Anyways now, the government is impertinent, non-assuming.

In the matter of governance, it is buddhist, but in seeyane ke Musalman hain [03:07]. But when it becomes a buddhist, then for the security of your Deen and for achieving superiority in your Deen, and for education, and the struggle for education - All this is your responsibility and a religious duty you’d have to fulfill, and apart from you, nobody else will be responsible for this religious duty.

This is the need of the hour.

[ZXRamon]

Abhi to khayr, hukumat ghair janib daar hai, ghair muta’ayyaq hain.
Wo, naa to hukumat kay riya say budhist hain, laykin seenay say musalman hain.

From the angle of governance, it is not budhist, while it is Muslim in heart [referring to the Muslim politicians].

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I'm not sure, but it makes sense to me. This is what comes to my mind when I listen to that part:

He is speaking to an audience consisting of politicians and wealthy people, because he addresses them in the beginning – that neither your political power nor your wealth will remain.

I think he is referring to the fact that right now the government is secular [thus "not Budhist" part of his speech] with Muslim politicians [referring to "Muslim at heart" part of his speech]. But when Budhist ideology will be introduced in the government laws, then the Muslims will have the hardest time.

I do hope that others will contribute in'sha Allah.

[chuecfafresslds]

Abhi to khayr, hukumat ghair janib daar hai, ghair muta’ayyaq hain.
Wo, naa to hukumat kay riya say budhist hain, laykin seenay say musalman hain.

From the angle of governance, it is not budhist, while it is Muslim in heart [referring to the Muslim politicians].

______________
I'm not sure, but it makes sense to me. This is what comes to my mind when I listen to that part:

He is speaking to an audience consisting of politicians and wealthy people, because he addresses them in the beginning – that neither your political power nor your wealth will remain.

I think he is referring to the fact that right now the government is secular [thus "not Budhist" part of his speech] with Muslim politicians [referring to "Muslim at heart" part of his speech]. But when Budhist ideology will be introduced in the government laws, then the Muslims will have the hardest time.

I do hope that others will contribute in'sha Allah.

sis but I put it in vlc and slowed the playback speed, the other things you said are right, but I'm now for sure hadrath said "it is buddhist" while it is Muslim at heart"

is it possible hadrath means ...from the angle of governance it is buddhist but Muslim at heart [thus meaning secular, not buddhist in ideology], but when it becomes buddhist [even in ideology] then Muslims will face tough times ..you mentioned nearly the same.

the mystery deepens..

[ZXRamon]

Found Maulana Ali Miyan (rahmatullahi alaih)'s mention of his burma trip in his book "Karwaan e Zindagi"



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[jarsbars]

Just wait for update

[chuecfafresslds]

Part 2 has been published.

Duas.

http://theijtema.wordpress.com/2012/...n-1961-part-2/

and great find sis bint_azam...