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Babar Ahmed along with four others told by European court no rights violation would occur if they are sent to the US.

The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that five UK terror suspects should be extradited from the UK to the US.

The Strasbourg court held there would be no violation of human rights for those facing life or solitary confinement in certain prison conditions.

Abu Hamza, a radical preacher, and Babar Ahmad, an alleged fund-raiser for "terrorists" who has been in prison since 2004, will now be extradicted to the US along with Seyla Talha Ahsan, Adel Abdul Bary and Khaled Al-Fawwaz.

The court's ruling can still hypothetically be appealed to its final Grand Chamber; however, in practice very few cases are reheard in that final forum.

The men have three months to try to persuade the Grand Chamber to reopen the entire case and examine it. If the men fail to launch an appeal, they will be extradited to the US.

The caseo of Haroon Rashid Aswat has been adjourned as the judges need to see more submissions on his schizophrenia and how that would be treated were he sent to the US.

All six had appealed against any US extradition as they say on arrival they might be held in a high-security prison in Colorado, known as a "supermax" prison and claim that if convicted there is very little or no prospect of ever being released.

In July 2010, European judges had stopped extradition proceedings, they had argued that the court needed more time to consider the complaints that the men's rights would be breached if they were to be sent the US, exposing them to possible life imprisonment without parole and solitary confinement.

'Global reach'

Abu-Hamza, a preacher at London's Fisbury Park Mosque, rose to prominence for inciting racial hatred.

He is currently serving a seven-year sentence in the UK.

Described by the US as a "terrorist facilitator with a global reach", as he was wanted in the US on 11 charges related to claims that he took 16 hostages in Yemen in 1998, promoted violent jihad in Afghanistan in 2001 and conspired to set up a jihad training camp in the state of Oregon.

Babar Ahmed, has been held without trial in the UK for eight years has been refused bail since his arrest on a US extradition warrant.

He denies terror-related charges, as in an interview he says: "I do not hold the Americans responsible for anything that has happened to me but I think it is fair to say that I am fighting for my life - and I am running out of time."

A spokesman for Babar Ahmad said he would fight on against extradition.

Al-Fawwaz and Bary are accused of being involved in US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

Aswat is accused of a being part of an alleged terror camp in Oregon, while Ahsan is accused by a US court of running an extremist website and funding the Taliban. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...563772630.html

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'supermax' prisons : http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17663629

[animilius]

the question arises

why are omar bakri and abu qatadah treated differently

[LillyPlay]

They are almost certain to get life sentences without parole in America, and almost certain to be placed in the supermax prisons where prisoners are confined to a small concrete room for decades without seeing another human being.

Please do dua for them.

[WoCTrt0X]

They are almost certain to get life sentences without parole in America, and almost certain to be placed in the supermax prisons where prisoners are confined to a small concrete room for decades without seeing another human being.

Please do dua for them.

ASWW
I say either they opt out or face the whole thing head on.
The BBC are good at rubbing things in and hey if it scares others in speaking out they will have achieved their goal. You notice how they say its not isolated but talk about how the construction only is designed to kill you!
The Kuffar!
I suppose its the price you pay to stay in "heaven" and then of course you cant be loyal to that "haven" and then they send you to "hell".
Its a wake up call! Either you are in or out. No middle way!

[Amerworma]

Does the article specifically mention that Babar Ahmed will be sent to US

[LillyPlay]

Does the article specifically mention that Babar Ahmed will be sent to US

The Prime Minister himself said they will send these 'terror suspects' over to their masters in America as soon as possible. They have one final appeal left, but most predict there's very little chance. Today was the crucial decision. Europe doesn't bow down to America as readily as the UK, but today it gave them the thumbs up.

[joanasevilyboaz]

I know most of the western media are deceptive especially when it comes to foreign policy and terrorism. But isn't Abu Hamza be a bit radical? I know exactly how deceptive the West can be with regards to this so that is not the issue and I am not accusing anyone of any wrong doing until there is proof because accusation is also wrong.

But Abu Hamza, isn't he known for being radical? A bit like Anjam Choudary.

Hope this can be cleared up.

Salam.

[WoCTrt0X]

I know most of the western media are deceptive especially when it comes to foreign policy and terrorism. But isn't Abu Hamza be a bit radical? I know exactly how deceptive the West can be with regards to this so that is not the issue and I am not accusing anyone of any wrong doing until there is proof because accusation is also wrong.

But Abu Hamza, isn't he known for being radical? A bit like Anjam Choudary.

Hope this can be cleared up.

Salam.

ASWW
hehehe!! .. and then begins the blame game!...

[wmirkru]

brother ahmed they used to say the same thing about Abu Hamza why has he not been arrested all this time...he must be a spy...most of those who said things like this were spineless individuals who would probably not lift a finger ever for the defence of islam. I heard this from as scholar once that Abu Hamza is a government agent. With regards to Abu Qatadah he spent a long time in prison and even now the government is trying to deport him to Jordan. With regards to Omar bakri.....silence except we don't take our deen from such individuals.

[joanasevilyboaz]

ASWW
hehehe!! .. and then begins the blame game!...

Sorry, i do not understand what you mean?

[animilius]

brother ahmed they used to say the same thing about Abu Hamza why has he not been arrested all this time...he must be a spy...most of those who said things like this were spineless individuals who would probably not lift a finger ever for the defence of islam. I heard this from as scholar once that Abu Hamza is a government agent. With regards to Abu Qatadah he spent a long time in prison and even now the government is trying to deport him to Jordan. With regards to Omar bakri.....silence except we don't take our deen from such individuals.

jazakallah

AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST

[Antelpebabe]

Babar Ahmad and Syed Talha Ahsan who were extradited from the UK have pleaded not guilty to US federal charges of providing suspected terrorist groups in Afghanistan and Chechnya with financial aid, arms and personnel.

The two suspects appeared in a New Haven, Connecticut federal district court, hours after being extradited along with three other suspects on Saturday.

If convicted, the two men face life sentences.

Abu Hamza al-Masri, Khalid al-Fawaz and Adel Abdul Bary, the three others extradited, appeared in front of a lower Manhattan court.

Al-Masri was formally arraigned for the 11 charges levied against him, but is not expected to enter a response until Tuesday.

The preacher is charged with conspiring with Seattle men to set up a terrorist training camp in Oregon and of helping
abduct 16 hostages, two of them US tourists, in Yemen in 1998.

Lawyers have asked that al-Masri, one of the last major terror suspects related to al-Qaeda to come to trial in the US, be given medical treatment. Upon entering the country, al-Masri's prosthetic arm was confiscated.

Khaled al-Fawwaz and Adel Abdul Bary who appeared alongside al-Masri in court, plead not guilty.

The court appearances came just hours after a last-ditch effort to stop the extraditions was rejected by a ruling of the London High Court.

The five defendants have been battling extradition for between eight and 14 years.


US arrival

A motorcade carrying Egyptian-born al-Masri, the best known of the defendants, left the airport in New York on Saturday, taking him to a federal lockup next to the federal courthouse in lower Manhattan to face charges.

Al-Fawaz and Bary will be housed in the same lockup as al-Masri.

Ahmad, a computer expert from South London, had been held in a UK prison without trial for eight years after being accused of raising funds for terrorism with his co-accused, Ahsan, through a US-hosted website.

Ahmad made efforts to secure GPS devices, Kevlar helmets, night vision goggles, ballistic vests and camouflage uniforms, prosecutors said.

The two are expected to face hearings in Connecticut where the courts have jurisdiction over their case because their website was hosted in the US state.

On Friday, all five suspects left from the Mildenhall air force base, in eastern England, which is used by the US military.

The two jets provided by the US authorities took off shortly before midnight (23:00 GMT), Scotland Yard police headquarters said.


Long legal battle

Britain's High Court ruled on Friday that they had no more grounds for appeal in their years-long battles to avoid facing charges in the US.

The defendants will face 11 charges including planning to establish a "terrorist" training camp for Islamic jihadists in the US state of Oregon and conspiracy to take hostages in Yemen in 1998.

Bary and al-Fawaz were indicted with others, including Osama bin Laden, for their alleged roles in the bombings of two US embassies in east Africa in 1998. Al-Fawaz faces more than 269 counts of murder.

The High Court in London's decision to dismiss the appeal of the five defendants marks the end of a long legal battle over their fate.

Their appeal came after the European Court of Human Rights backed successive UK courts in ruling for extradition.

The Home Office said it wanted to deport them "as quickly as possible".

Judges Thomas and Ousley said in their ruling there was an "overwhelming public interest in the functioning of the extradition system" and that there was "no appeal from our decision".

Al Jazeera's Kristen Saloomey, reporting from New York, said though the legal battle in London may be over, a fresh one is about to begin in the United States.

This will be "a long, slow process ... with many appeals", that could take anywhere between one and three years, said our correspondent.

Al Jazeera's Saloomey went on to say that the controversial case has "tested the boundaries of national security and civil liberties in the United States".


Concerns about the case

Fahad Ansari, a human-rights lawyer with Free Babar Ahmad Campaign, told Al Jazeera on Friday he was disappointed with the High Court ruling.

"In the past year, two parliamentary committees, numerous senior politicians from all parties, the mayor of London, and 150,000 ordinary members of the British public have called for Babar Ahmad to be tried in the UK," he said.

"This decision flies in the face of that and questions need to be asked as to how and why members of the judiciary have ignored both the public interest in Babar Ahmad being prosecuted in the UK."

The suspects applied to the High Court for a last-minute halt, with al-Masri's lawyers saying his deteriorating health means it would be "oppressive" to send him to a US prison.

Lawyers for al-Masri, said he suffered from depression, chronic sleep deprivation, diabetes and other ailments and was in need of medical tests.

Some lawyers and politicians also expressed concerns about the case, because Britain agreed to extradite Ahmad even though his alleged crimes were committed in Britain and British courts declined to prosecute him for lack of evidence.

Morris Davis, a Washington-based law professor, said the defendants will receive a fair trial in the United States.

"Justice will be done", said the Howard University professor. Citing the 14 years since the initial hostage situation, Davis told Al Jazeera "it's going to be several more years before [the defendants] actually show up in court".

However, our correspondent said some in the US want the defendants to be tried in a military tribunal, not a civilian court.

The cases, said Al Jazeera's Saloomey, raise the question of where "the proper place is to try al-Qaeda-related terror cases? Some people in the US believe these suspects don't deserve the same rights as US citizens".

In prison since 2004, Ahmad has been held without charge for the longest period of any British citizen detained since the September 11 attacks.

In a statement read on his behalf outside court, Ahmad said his case had exposed flaws in US-UK extradition arrangements. "I leave with my head held high, having won the moral victory," he said.

His father, Ashfaq Ahmad, said he would continue to fight for his son.

"It's not just one Babar Ahmad. Tomorrow there will be another Babar Ahmad and another one," he said.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...152386281.html

[mudozvonf]

I know most of the western media are deceptive especially when it comes to foreign policy and terrorism. But isn't Abu Hamza be a bit radical? I know exactly how deceptive the West can be with regards to this so that is not the issue and I am not accusing anyone of any wrong doing until there is proof because accusation is also wrong.

But Abu Hamza, isn't he known for being radical? A bit like Anjam Choudary.

Hope this can be cleared up.

Salam.

He is nothing like that fool Anjam Chaudary. Abu Hamza lost his hands for Islam. He is obviously pro-jihad but I have never heard that he has ever called for the killing of civilians or anything like that. If he had, they would mention it on every news report they do on him. Fact is, he doesn't have to be guilty of anything to get sent to prison... just look at Babar Ahmed, that guy's been locked up for years and hasn't had a trial