[Chooriwrocaey]

,

I'm travelling to Dubai, insha'allah. Does anyone know if all the meat comes from overseas. Has anyone verified the halal status of the meat that comes from Brazil, New Zealand etc.
Do the local restaurants, take out places get their meat locally - I'll be staying in Deira.

[untostaronaf]

dear brother, AA

Meats come from Pakistan, Australia and brazil. Also local. Restaurants use mostly cheap fozen meat.
Chicken available local and imported. Rest use frozen chickens.

Mostly available halal. It is not problem in UAE.

[DzjwMKo5]

Fatwa says you can eat it but Taqwa says you cant eat it.

There are some places where you can get Fresh Halal Meat.

Normally , you get Halal as said by the authorities
and Allah knows best

[mikaelluioy]

AA,

As per export requirement to UAE, Slaughter requirements: Ritual Islamic halal slaughter requirements apply.

For more information, please refer book: Halal Food Production, By Mian N. Riaz and Muhammad M. Chaudry. Page 289. In this page you can find complete meat export law of UAE. You can buy fresh meat(slaughtered in india, pakistan and locally) in market. Nothing to worry much about halal in UAE. If you need more information, please write to pmmirfan@hotmail.com

[Suentiend]

Meat produced in Brazil and AUS/NZ is not Zabiha Halal. They machine slaughter their meat.

The industry in AUS/NZ follow the South East Asian Halal Committee which allow machine slaughter.

I have also heard on many occasions (via this forum) that Brazil does not have Zabiha Halal meat.

There are many reports that indicate Meat imported to the Midlde East is not Zabiha.

read this:

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&sect...d=3&m=1&y=2009




Saturday 3 January 2009 (07 Muharram 1430)

Point to ponder: How genuine is halal stamp?
Sarah Abdullah | Arab News

JEDDAH: Exhibitors at the recent Halal Expo 2008 reportedly closed more than SR41.2 million ($11 million) worth of deals over the course of the three-day event and successfully ushered in a number of international players into the region’s Halal market, which is already worth an estimated SR7.8 trillion.

Products being negotiated for potential import into the Kingdom and the GCC region include snacks, vegetable oils, dairy products, health foods, fruit juices and meat products stamped with the halal signature.

However, many international companies — in accordance with plans for global expansion and to stay financially afloat in the current financial crisis — are using the halal industry to get an edge on their competitors without using or even being correctly educated on methods of Islamic slaughter.

“Ninety-five percent of American food items found in supermarket shelves in the UAE and other GCC countries are not halal even though they may be certified as such,” said Jalel Aossey, director of Midamar, a US-based international food supplier and one of the first Muslim– owned business groups to offer halal food and food-service equipment to North America since 1974.

Aossey, who was speaking at the Halal World Expo, said there is a significant flow of non-halal food items entering the local region especially from meat-supplying countries. He added that Gulf countries need tougher regulations to stop the flow.

Corrupt certifiers, he said, are also to blame for the problem as they get a taste for the money generated producing halal certificates for companies without actually performing any work. He added that he advises countries such as the UAE and Saudi Arabia to send inspectors to food producing countries to ensure proper halal standards are being upheld.

“This is nothing when you consider the huge dollar volume of food products exported to Gulf countries,” he said.

In November 2000, Mohammed Mazhar Husseini, co-founder and former executive director of Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America (IFANCA), a major halal certifying body in North America that is widely accepted as providing quality certification by many Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia, officially put in his resignation to the organization that he helped create nearly 30 years ago.

“They (IFANCA) are interested in charging fees and certifying products (as halal) and getting commission,” he said in an interview with Sound Vision, an Islamic information website.

Husseini noted that in earlier years the organization was more education-oriented and community based in offering workshops and organizing seminars on Halal food issues, something that no longer takes place. Offering more insight into the practices creating problems in the halal food industry, a book published in 2003 by Mian Riaz and Muhammad Chaudry, entitled “Halal Food Production,” agrees that a number of the products that international companies are marketing as Halal are not as permissible as one might think.

“To speed up production time, some halal slaughterhouses have begun using an integrated approach to traditional, Islamically-recognized handslaughtering,” the authors of the book said.

One method mentioned is the mechanical or machine slaughtering approach, which was first initiated by slaughterhouses in Western countries and which has gained momentum as being acceptable in other Muslim countries such as Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore.

The method consists of a Muslim pronouncing the name of Allah as he switches on a machine that inserts a cut into an animal’s neck. The problem, however, according to the authors, is that up to 30 percent of the initial incisions made to the animal by the machine does not accurately go all the way through in killing the animal the first time. There is, therefore, a second Muslim butcher standing by to re-cut the neck to conclude the procedure, causing undo suffering to the animal. The book also stated that some non-Muslim companies who are diversifying their product lines to include halal products have got round certain Islamic procedures to gain certification. “Some companies have been found to use a recording of a Muslim pronouncing the name of Allah before the butcher proceeds with slaughter,” it said.

Not only are corrupt certification methods going on in Western countries but also in the Middle Eastern and African regions, said a local businessman who asked to be anonymous. He said he once imported sheep from South Africa and although the certifying body knew that the animals were not slaughtered according to proper Islamic procedure issued a halal certification and sold the animals to him.

“I brought close to 150 sheep and wanted them slaughtered and shipped here to Jeddah for sale,” he said. “In order to speed the process of certification I offered him a bonus on top of the regular fees and was automatically issued Halal documents for export that moment,” he said.

“I do not completely rely on the certification saying that meats from abroad are halal since I recently received a package of pork meat with the halal certification documents included in the box which I thought was beef which I had ordered from Brazil,” said a meat importer based in the UAE.

“Since that time, I have decided to hire my own team of butchers and create my own production line instead of relying on imported meats for resale,” he said, adding that avoiding international brands and having the slaughtering done on premises is the best advice for consumers who want to strictly guarantee that their meats are truly halal.

[kathy]

salams to everyone,
brazil meat is definitely not halal. Stay well away.

http://www.halalmc.net/newsletters/issue11.pdf

[somamasoso]

Salam Alaykum,

I wonder how deep we can go into this matter, since in the case of restaurants one does not know for sure whether the meat comes from non-Muslim countries, and if it does whether it is truly not Halal. Once I saw a restaurant in Dubai taking out an empty carton which had contained frozen chicken, but I could not see what was the country of origin or anything like that.

Also, even if the meat/chicken came from Pakistan, India, Saudi Arabia or even the UAE itself, the objection could be raised that perhaps the butcher was an anthropomorphist who believes that Allah has limbs, or maybe a Twelver Shia, or maybe his Iman was rendered null by some other matter, things which in these times are quite common unfortunately.

This is the situation in Muslim countries such as the Gulf countries, and I am not sure if we should be so strenuous on this matter when we are not positively sure that the meat is not Halal.

[traithJah]

salamalaikum,
Try to get some dubai brothers telephone numbers and contacts at tablighi markaz and get oriented immediately upon arrival. almost all restaurants in gulf use frozen (questionable) meat. should you be interested i can get you some telephone numbers of local brothers, you can write to me if you require. my name at gmail dot com
may Allah protect us all

[BariGrootrego]

Meat produced in Brazil and AUS/NZ is not Zabiha Halal. They machine slaughter their meat.

The industry in AUS/NZ follow the South East Asian Halal Committee which allow machine slaughter.

I have also heard on many occasions (via this forum) that Brazil does not have Zabiha Halal meat.

There are many reports that indicate Meat imported to the Midlde East is not Zabiha.

read this:

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&sect...d=3&m=1&y=2009




Saturday 3 January 2009 (07 Muharram 1430)

Point to ponder: How genuine is halal stamp?
Sarah Abdullah | Arab News

JEDDAH: Exhibitors at the recent Halal Expo 2008 reportedly closed more than SR41.2 million ($11 million) worth of deals over the course of the three-day event and successfully ushered in a number of international players into the region’s Halal market, which is already worth an estimated SR7.8 trillion.

Products being negotiated for potential import into the Kingdom and the GCC region include snacks, vegetable oils, dairy products, health foods, fruit juices and meat products stamped with the halal signature.

However, many international companies — in accordance with plans for global expansion and to stay financially afloat in the current financial crisis — are using the halal industry to get an edge on their competitors without using or even being correctly educated on methods of Islamic slaughter.

“Ninety-five percent of American food items found in supermarket shelves in the UAE and other GCC countries are not halal even though they may be certified as such,” said Jalel Aossey, director of Midamar, a US-based international food supplier and one of the first Muslim– owned business groups to offer halal food and food-service equipment to North America since 1974.

Aossey, who was speaking at the Halal World Expo, said there is a significant flow of non-halal food items entering the local region especially from meat-supplying countries. He added that Gulf countries need tougher regulations to stop the flow.

Corrupt certifiers, he said, are also to blame for the problem as they get a taste for the money generated producing halal certificates for companies without actually performing any work. He added that he advises countries such as the UAE and Saudi Arabia to send inspectors to food producing countries to ensure proper halal standards are being upheld.

“This is nothing when you consider the huge dollar volume of food products exported to Gulf countries,” he said.

In November 2000, Mohammed Mazhar Husseini, co-founder and former executive director of Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America (IFANCA), a major halal certifying body in North America that is widely accepted as providing quality certification by many Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia, officially put in his resignation to the organization that he helped create nearly 30 years ago.

“They (IFANCA) are interested in charging fees and certifying products (as halal) and getting commission,” he said in an interview with Sound Vision, an Islamic information website.

Husseini noted that in earlier years the organization was more education-oriented and community based in offering workshops and organizing seminars on Halal food issues, something that no longer takes place. Offering more insight into the practices creating problems in the halal food industry, a book published in 2003 by Mian Riaz and Muhammad Chaudry, entitled “Halal Food Production,” agrees that a number of the products that international companies are marketing as Halal are not as permissible as one might think.

“To speed up production time, some halal slaughterhouses have begun using an integrated approach to traditional, Islamically-recognized handslaughtering,” the authors of the book said.

One method mentioned is the mechanical or machine slaughtering approach, which was first initiated by slaughterhouses in Western countries and which has gained momentum as being acceptable in other Muslim countries such as Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore.

The method consists of a Muslim pronouncing the name of Allah as he switches on a machine that inserts a cut into an animal’s neck. The problem, however, according to the authors, is that up to 30 percent of the initial incisions made to the animal by the machine does not accurately go all the way through in killing the animal the first time. There is, therefore, a second Muslim butcher standing by to re-cut the neck to conclude the procedure, causing undo suffering to the animal. The book also stated that some non-Muslim companies who are diversifying their product lines to include halal products have got round certain Islamic procedures to gain certification. “Some companies have been found to use a recording of a Muslim pronouncing the name of Allah before the butcher proceeds with slaughter,” it said.

Not only are corrupt certification methods going on in Western countries but also in the Middle Eastern and African regions, said a local businessman who asked to be anonymous. He said he once imported sheep from South Africa and although the certifying body knew that the animals were not slaughtered according to proper Islamic procedure issued a halal certification and sold the animals to him.

“I brought close to 150 sheep and wanted them slaughtered and shipped here to Jeddah for sale,” he said. “In order to speed the process of certification I offered him a bonus on top of the regular fees and was automatically issued Halal documents for export that moment,” he said.

“I do not completely rely on the certification saying that meats from abroad are halal since I recently received a package of pork meat with the halal certification documents included in the box which I thought was beef which I had ordered from Brazil,” said a meat importer based in the UAE.

“Since that time, I have decided to hire my own team of butchers and create my own production line instead of relying on imported meats for resale,” he said, adding that avoiding international brands and having the slaughtering done on premises is the best advice for consumers who want to strictly guarantee that their meats are truly halal.

It's funny that the head of Midamar is criticizing others about dodgy practices in the Halal industry.

However, just to give you an idea of how the situation is, in 2006, I visited Saudi Arabia. In Makkah, I ate some Flaming Hot Cheetos, which were labeled as having been imported from America. Yes, I'm talking about the same Cheetos which posses porcine enzymes. This occurred a few months before the news about Cheetos being haram broke out.

[Galvanoidum]

Assalam O Alaikum

This is from our website, I reserached in both Mecca Shareef and Madinah Shareef during my Ummarah in 2004.

Entered Date: 08/28/04
US MADE FOOD PRODUCTS AT SAUDI ARABIAN SUPERMARKETS
US made food products were researched at Ben- Dawood supermarkets in both Mecca Mukrama and Medinah Munawara during August 2004. They occupy only 5-10% of the shelf space excluding US brands products made in other countries. None of them has Halal symbol or Halal word on packages. There are only two US made products namely Sunshine�s Cheez it and Sunshine�s Krispy unsalted Tops crackers which has Kosher symbol on it. Here is the list of US made products which do not meet MCG�s criteria used on this web site for assigning Halal status:

NOT HALAL

Kraft�s Dream Whip

Betty Cracker Chocolate Chip cookie Mix

Betty Cracker Premium Frosting

Betty Crocker Super Moist Cake Mixes

Goody Lite Mayonnaise

Goody Thousand Island Dressing

Goody Fruit Cocktail in Heavy Syrup

Goody Blue Cheese Dressing

Goody Peanut Butter

Tang Orange Flavored Drink Powder

Monarch Strawberry/cherry Pie Filling

Hershey strawberry/Chocolate Flavored Syrups

(It is possible that the above products are Kosher certified but do not have symbol on it and also alcohol may be used in the flavors as a solvent. Muslim consumers have no way of knowing their Halal status in Saudi Arabia)



MUSHBOOH

Sunshine�s Cheez it Hot & Spicy(due to presence of torula yeast, it is Halal if grown on sugar cane and not Halal if grown alcohol)



HALAL

Sunshine Krispy Unsalted Tops with circle K D Kosher symbol

Crystal Hot Sauce (No Halal or Kosher symbol but Baumer Foods�s Hot Sauces are Kosher certified)

Several Canned Fruit Products



FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS

MCDONALD�S

According McDonald Manager at Medinah Munawara, the beef patties comes from South Africa and Halal authority. The chicken products come from Malaysia and all sauces come from Egypt. French Fries come from USA & Canada.



PIZZA HUT

According to Pizza Hut Personnel at Mecca Mukrama the Mozzarella cheese comes from Greek and crusts comes as frozen but have no idea where they manufactured.

Syed Rasheeduddin Ahmed
Muslim Consumer Group for Food Products USA
www.muslimconsumergroup.com
www.canadianhalalfoods.com

[BrifsGefel]

Any update on the above?

Is the meat still doubtful in Dubai? Are mom and pop stores okay for meat?

[shodulsilfeli]

Any update on the above?

Is the meat still doubtful in Dubai? Are mom and pop stores okay for meat?

What's that?

Indian and Pakistani meat/beef at all markets is pretty safe. you also get australian lamb locally slaughtered. Just ask for Mahalli.

[stunnyravytal]

The chicken supplied generally to restaurants are Brazilian..they say it comes cheap compared to the local ones. whereas Mutton is mostly from India/ Pakistan.. and many of these restaurants do inform when asked..

if u want to buy fresh Zabeeha chicken.. then a visit to the Bird and Animal market at Sharjah would be advisable.. the fatter ones costs about 14 Dhs / piece.. and yes u can also do zabeeha all by yourself.. this is where I buy my chicken.. adjacent to this is the animal market where u get fresh Mutton..paya..and stuff..
many ppl here come all the way from Dubai..

Al Areesh and Rawdhah are the local brands of zabeeha Chicken mostly from Ras al Khaimah Farms.. available at supermarkets / groceries..
DO NOT buy Al Islami chicken coz it comes straight from Brazil.. also i learnt from a reliable source that Al kabeer chicken is from Sharjah farms and Mutton from India..

Sadia chicken is ofcourse is a Big NO..since its from Brazil.. Macdonalds here claims their chicken are imported from Malaysia.. this I have confirmed from two seperate outlets and got the same reply.. Tazij and Al Farooj fast food chains both serve fresh halal stuff..

And here is the BIG goodnews.. Saeed Anwar and Inzimam ul Haq have opened up Halal meat shops and meat products called Meat one.. it seems they had the desire that Proper halal meat should be readily available to all.. and that they have personally inspected these abattoirs and the way zabeeha is done.. the meat comes from pakistan..
they have also opened up a chain of halal restaurants called Imli chilly.. quite nice.. i liked their Kebab rolls..

Their meat one shops also sells marinated Mutton koftas.. chappali kebabs and tandoori stuff that can be cooked at home.. really good stuff..

also there is a restaurant on King faisal Rd, Sharjah, called Al Fadhil that serves fresh zabeeha chicken..dont miss the lassi ..served in small clay tumblers (matki ).. really tasty..

for Arabic food.. Id suggest the Mandi... or Mazbi from Bait Al Mandi.. they serve fresh chicken / mutton and also give home delivery..

And if u wanna go for some Iranian delights like Joujeh kebab .. khobedah.. sheesh taouk..or mushakkal.. then therez the traditional Ustadi Restaurant at Bur Dubai.. they claim to get their stuff fresh from the farm.. this is one of the finest yet economical places for kebabs and stuff..

Hope this shall suffice

wa assalam..

[plaiskegizils]

mashAllah hazrat Dr.76 you have summed up quite brilliantly.
Just want to confirm ,

- Imly and CHilly is owned by Saeed bhai & inzi bHai?
- Al Areesh company use zabiha chicken in their frozen products also ?


Also Fresh Chicken King use Zabiha chicken

[buyviagraonlineusatoday]

dr76 rather than dr ati has posted what you are praising hazratji

[Intory]

sirji Its been modified .. i dont know i read somewhere 'ATi'

[Ehlgamxf]

good

[zoolissentesy]

mashAllah hazrat Dr.76 you have summed up quite brilliantly.
Just want to confirm ,

- Imly and CHilly is owned by Saeed bhai & inzi bHai?
- Al Areesh company use zabiha chicken in their frozen products also ?


Also Fresh Chicken King use Zabiha chicken

Imly and chilly is owned by Alif Investments that also represents Meat One..they use the same meat as confirmed by the manager of Meat One.. check this..http://gulfnews.com/business/investm...nings-1.871239

Al Areesh also supply Zabeeha chicken in thier frozen stuff..

duas..



wa assalam..

[AriaDesser]

Imly & chilly is owned by 'Alif Investments' who are representing 'Meat One'. Also, for mandi u can try 'Jood almandi' too in qusais.

[chuecaloversvv]

Imly & chilly is owned by 'Alif Investments' who are representing 'Meat One'. Also, for mandi u can try 'Jood almandi' too in qusais.

for the correction Bro.. i misunderstood when the manager of Meat One said that both are under the same management.. saw through tht link again..

wa assalam..