LOGO
Reply to Thread New Thread
Old 09-03-2012, 01:53 PM   #1
eEwbYjOH

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
455
Senior Member
Default


Mufti Shafi' states in Ma'riful Qur'aan:

The Qur'anic Eloquence in Describing the Precedence of Men

It is noteworthy that the Holy Qur'an, while giving the first reason for the precedence of men, has not opted for an expression like "faddalahum alayhinna" ('because He made men excel women'), On the contrary, it has elected to give a deeper significance to the statement by using the expression: "Ba'dahum ala Ba'd", that is, 'made some of them excel the others'. The wisdom here is not difficult to see. The Arabic expression "Ba'dahum ala Ba'd" has a subtle indictation to the fact that men and women are part of each other. Therefore, there is a hint that the precedence of men, even if proved in one or the other field, will not go beyond being similar to the precedence of man's head over his hand, or of his heart over his stomach. So, just as the precedence of man's head over his hand does not diminish the role and the importance of the hand, similarly, the precedence of man does not cause any lowering of the status of women, because both of them are parts of each other's body - if man is the head, woman is the body.

Some commentators identify yet another hint here. According to them, this precedence men have over women is in terms of genus. As far as individuals are concerned, it is quite possible that a woman may excel a man in her qualities and practical accomplishments, so much so that a woman may be superior to some individual men even in the qualities of a care-taker.

eEwbYjOH is offline


Old 09-03-2012, 03:20 PM   #2
Tryphadz

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
475
Senior Member
Default


Received this in my inbox some days ago:

'Fulfilling the Rights of our Relationships' - Shaykh Husain - www.sacredlearning.org

On March 18, 2005, Amina Wadud led the first female-led jum`ah (Friday) prayer. On that day, women took a huge step towards being more like men. But did we come closer to actualizing our God-given liberation?

I don’t think so.

What we so often forget is that God has honored the woman by giving her value in relation to God—not in relation to men. But as Western feminism erases God from the scene, there is no standard left—except men. As a result, the Western feminist is forced to find her value in relation to a man. And in so doing, she has accepted a faulty assumption. She has accepted that man is the standard, and thus a woman can never be a full human being until she becomes just like a man.

When a man cut his hair short, she wanted to cut her hair short. When a man joined the army, she wanted to join the army. She wanted these things for no other reason than because the “standard” had it.

What she didn’t recognize was that God dignifies both men and women in their distinctiveness – not their sameness. And on March 18, Muslim women made the very same mistake.

For 1400 years there has been a consensus of the scholars that men are to lead prayer. As a Muslim woman, why does this matter? The one who leads prayer is not spiritually superior in any way. Something is not better just because a man does it. And leading prayer is not better, just because it’s leading. Had it been the role of women or had it been more divine, why wouldn’t the Prophet ﷺ have asked Ayesha or Khadija, or Fatima—the greatest women of all time—to lead? These women were promised heaven—and yet they never led prayer.

But now, for the first time in 1400 years, we look at a man leading prayer and we think, “That’s not fair.” We think so although God has given no special privilege to the one who leads. The imam is no higher in the eyes of God than the one who prays behind.

On the other hand, only a woman can be a mother. And God has given special privilege to a mother. The Prophet ﷺ taught us that heaven lies at the feet of mothers. But no matter what a man does he can never be a mother. So why is that not unfair?

When asked, “Who is most deserving of our kind treatment?” the Prophet ﷺ replied, “Your mother” three times before saying “your father” only once. Is that sexist? No matter what a man does he will never be able to have the status of a mother.
And yet, even when God honors us with something uniquely feminine, we are too busy trying to find our worth in reference to men to value it—or even notice. We, too, have accepted men as the standard; so anything uniquely feminine is, by definition, inferior. Being sensitive is an insult, becoming a mother—a degradation. In the battle between stoic rationality (considered masculine) and selfless compassion (considered feminine), rationality reigns supreme.

As soon as we accept that everything a man has and does is better, all that follows is a knee-jerk reaction: if men have it, we want it too. If men pray in the front rows, we assume this is better, so we want to pray in the front rows too. If men lead prayer, we assume the imam is closer to God, so we want to lead prayer too. Somewhere along the line we’ve accepted the notion that having a position of worldly leadership is some indication of one’s position with God.

A Muslim woman does not need to degrade herself in this way. She has God as a standard. She has God to give her value; she doesn’t need a man.

In fact, in our crusade to follow men, we as women never even stopped to examine the possibility that what we have is better for us. In some cases we even gave up what was higher only to be like men.

Fifty years ago, society told us that men were superior because they left the home to work in factories. We were mothers. And yet, we were told that it was women’s liberation to abandon the raising of another human being in order to work on a machine. We accepted that working in a factory was superior to raising the foundation of society—just because a man did it.

Then, after working, we were expected to be superhuman—the perfect mother, the perfect wife, the perfect homemaker—and have the perfect career. And while there is nothing wrong, by definition, with a woman having a career, we soon came to realize what we had sacrificed by blindly mimicking men. We watched as our children became strangers and soon recognized the privilege we’d given up.

And so only now—given the choice—women in the West are choosing to stay home to raise their children. According to the United States Department of Agriculture, only 31 percent of mothers with babies, and 18 percent of mothers with two or more children, are working full-time. And of those working mothers, a survey conducted by Parenting Magazine in 2000, found that 93% of them say they would rather be at home with their kids, but are compelled to work due to ‘financial obligations.’ These ‘obligations’ are imposed on women by the gender sameness of the modern West, and removed from women by the gender distinctiveness of Islam.

It took women in the West almost a century of experimentation to realize a privilege given to Muslim women 1400 years ago.

Given my privilege as a woman, I only degrade myself by trying to be something I’m not – and in all honesty – don’t want to be: a man. As women, we will never reach true liberation until we stop trying to mimic men, and value the beauty in our own God-given distinctiveness.

If given a choice between stoic justice and compassion, I choose compassion. And if given a choice between worldly leadership and heaven at my feet—I choose heaven.


May the blessings of Almighty Allah be on you
This may very well be my favorite article on this subject that I have ever read. Thank you for sharing.
Tryphadz is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #3
hojutok

Join Date
Nov 2005
Posts
516
Senior Member
Default In Islam Are Women Inferior to Men?
In Islam Are Women Inferior to Men?

In Islam are Women inferior to men? If so, why?

Answered by Mufti Ahmed Desai (Damat Barakatuhum):

Western, liberal and UN-Islamic ideas have distorted your mental vision. What is your conception of inferiority? the Qur’aan says about the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam):

“These are the messengers. We have given some ranks over (or above) others.”

Even the Ambiyaa are not equal. Rasulullah is superior in rank to Nabi Musaa . In fact he is superior than all the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam). Thus, in relation to Rasulullah all the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam) are inferior. Hadhrat Jibreel is the highest ranking Angel. In relation to him, Hadhrat Israafeel is inferior. In relation to Qur’aan Shareef, the Hadith is inferior. In relation to the Kab’ah, Masjidun Nabawi is inferior.

In relation to the elder brother, the younger brother is inferior. In relation to a mother, her son, even if he is a great Aalim and a Saint, is inferior. In relation to a elder sister, the younger brother is inferior. In relation to Hadhrat Abu Bakr , Hadhrat Umar and all the Sahaabah and the entire Ummah are inferior. In raltion to the Ustaadh, his students are inferior. In relation to a Shaikh, his mureeds are inferior whether male or female.

In every level of society there are ranks and gradations. The concept of blanket equality is a stupid idea of Kuffaar. The husband has been made the chief of the family by Allah Ta’ala. It is his responsibility to maintain and train his wife and children. He has the highest rank in his home. He is superior to his wife and children even if his sons are the greatest saints and he an ignorant farmer.

Is it an insult to all the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam) to say that they are inferior to Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam)? On the contrary, they all are proud to be the inferior followers of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). Similarly is it with all the ‘inferior’ beings cited above as examples. The Qur’aan categorically states:

“For men over them (women) is a rank.”

What problem do you or any Muslim have with this assertion of Allah Ta’ala? the problem is only that westernism and kufr liberalism have imposed on the minds of people that the higher male ranks relegates women to chattlehood. Modernist and deviated Muslims have been made to understand that women in Islam are contemptible; that men are free to abuse and denigrate them. But every Muslim who has even a slight understanding of Islam knows that these western ideas are plain garbage which the enemies of Allah gorge out. Even in Jannat there will be different ranks among all levels of people. When according to Islam even two men are not equal, what is wrong if there is not equality between men and women? But since deceived people have been indoctrinated to believe that ‘inferiority’ means contemptibility, they feel awkward with Islamic teachings.

A woman with her piety can surpass any man in rank by Allah Ta’ala. By Allah Ta’ala, the criterion of superiority is Taqwa. Innumerable women will have higher ranks by Allah Ta’ala than males on account of their Taqwa. Every Mu’min is aware of the lofty rank of Hadhrat Aisha (radhiyallahu anha). She was the Ustaadh of numerous Sahaabah. She was the most beloved Wife of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhis salaam). She will be entering Jannat centuries before numerous male Sahaabah. What idea will you now gain when it is said that she is inferior to her husband. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhis salaam)? Is any contempt implied for her by this claim? We in fact say that contempt for her is Kufr. Thus, gradations in society are the creation and command of Allah Ta’ala. The Khalifah, sultan or king may be a corrupt and immoral man. But, the Shariah commands obedience to him in all his lawful orders. His rank is superior to others here on earth.

In Islam woman is not inferior to man interms of the concocted meaning ascribed to ‘inferiority’ by the wester kuffaar enemies of Islam.

hojutok is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #4
DenisLevvin

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
524
Senior Member
Default
superb answer. only a mufti could have done that.precise words and good analogies
DenisLevvin is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #5
sandracuk

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
674
Senior Member
Default
superb answer. only a mufti could have done that.precise words and good analogies
It is due to this stand there a large number of muslim feminists like fatima mernissi ,leila ahmed, kecia ali ,amina wadud and people like Irshad Manji, Ayaan ali, Tasleema nasreen
sandracuk is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #6
beenBinybelia

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
430
Senior Member
Default
It is due to this stand there a large number of muslim feminists like fatima mernissi ,leila ahmed, kecia ali ,amina wadud and people like Irshad Manji, Ayaan ali, Tasleema nasreen
no it is because they never studied Islam properly under guidance but had secular education which changed their frame of reference from Islam to 'west'. whatever problem arises they check what values the west promotes then they try and make islam compatible with them. it fails
beenBinybelia is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #7
#[SoftAzerZx]

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
586
Senior Member
Default
may i also add to the OP's post that equal rights means special rights given to women will be taken away. here is how:
- women will not be entitled to mehr. she will be mistreated because mehr is what stops many men from over reacting in fights/arguments and turning the woman out and divorcing her straight away.
- women could have multiple husbands at the same time. suicides for women will increase as they are more emotional than men. society will be in utter ruins.
- women will be equally responsible for earning an income just as her husband. result: children and family will be put aside. next generation will have little or no morals. plus if a man refuses to provide for his family he can be taken to shariah court so now women could be taken to court by her husband if she refuses to work. result: destruction of family.

etc.

in short equal rights means men have been taken as standard for human kind. women have to stop being women and try and be more like men. women in outlook, men in body language, conversation, aims and ambitions. feminity and being a woman is looked down upon. women have to be more like men.

no wonder western society is in shambles and utter destruction. but everyone is earning,sleeping, eating and mating and thats their life. in that they have taken animals to be their role models.
#[SoftAzerZx] is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #8
UTHZzJ6f

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
420
Senior Member
Default
Women in the west already have to provide money towards their dual income family mortgages. In this respect they are equal. They leave their children in child care so they can continue to work and pay the mortgage.

In western societies women isolated with children at home is very bad...there are no communities where like minded women can get together socially and care for their children. Something very wrong with western societies and it is not something that governments can fix even if they wanted to (and they don't want to). The whole way of life has resulted in broken people...children alienated from parents, men alienated from women and everyone working all the time for a wage so they can pay interest to the banks and taxes to the state so they can pay the national debt.

Inequality according to egalitarian thinkers makes it seem like some people boss other people around...but equality does not make this disappear from society it just makes it worse and in the end a small elite of bankers boss millions of people around.
UTHZzJ6f is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #9
Chooriwrocaey

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
463
Senior Member
Default
In Islam Are Women Inferior to Men?

In Islam are Women inferior to men? If so, why?

Answered by Mufti Ahmed Desai (Damat Barakatuhum):

Western, liberal and UN-Islamic ideas have distorted your mental vision. What is your conception of inferiority? the Qur’aan says about the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam):

“These are the messengers. We have given some ranks over (or above) others.”

Even the Ambiyaa are not equal. Rasulullah is superior in rank to Nabi Musaa . In fact he is superior than all the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam). Thus, in relation to Rasulullah all the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam) are inferior. Hadhrat Jibreel is the highest ranking Angel. In relation to him, Hadhrat Israafeel is inferior. In relation to Qur’aan Shareef, the Hadith is inferior. In relation to the Kab’ah, Masjidun Nabawi is inferior.

In relation to the elder brother, the younger brother is inferior. In relation to a mother, her son, even if he is a great Aalim and a Saint, is inferior. In relation to a elder sister, the younger brother is inferior. In relation to Hadhrat Abu Bakr , Hadhrat Umar and all the Sahaabah and the entire Ummah are inferior. In raltion to the Ustaadh, his students are inferior. In relation to a Shaikh, his mureeds are inferior whether male or female.

In every level of society there are ranks and gradations. The concept of blanket equality is a stupid idea of Kuffaar. The husband has been made the chief of the family by Allah Ta’ala. It is his responsibility to maintain and train his wife and children. He has the highest rank in his home. He is superior to his wife and children even if his sons are the greatest saints and he an ignorant farmer.

Is it an insult to all the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam) to say that they are inferior to Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam)? On the contrary, they all are proud to be the inferior followers of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). Similarly is it with all the ‘inferior’ beings cited above as examples. The Qur’aan categorically states:

“For men over them (women) is a rank.”

What problem do you or any Muslim have with this assertion of Allah Ta’ala? the problem is only that westernism and kufr liberalism have imposed on the minds of people that the higher male ranks relegates women to chattlehood. Modernist and deviated Muslims have been made to understand that women in Islam are contemptible; that men are free to abuse and denigrate them. But every Muslim who has even a slight understanding of Islam knows that these western ideas are plain garbage which the enemies of Allah gorge out. Even in Jannat there will be different ranks among all levels of people. When according to Islam even two men are not equal, what is wrong if there is not equality between men and women? But since deceived people have been indoctrinated to believe that ‘inferiority’ means contemptibility, they feel awkward with Islamic teachings.

A woman with her piety can surpass any man in rank by Allah Ta’ala. By Allah Ta’ala, the criterion of superiority is Taqwa. Innumerable women will have higher ranks by Allah Ta’ala than males on account of their Taqwa. Every Mu’min is aware of the lofty rank of Hadhrat Aisha (radhiyallahu anha). She was the Ustaadh of numerous Sahaabah. She was the most beloved Wife of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhis salaam). She will be entering Jannat centuries before numerous male Sahaabah. What idea will you now gain when it is said that she is inferior to her husband. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhis salaam)? Is any contempt implied for her by this claim? We in fact say that contempt for her is Kufr. Thus, gradations in society are the creation and command of Allah Ta’ala. The Khalifah, sultan or king may be a corrupt and immoral man. But, the Shariah commands obedience to him in all his lawful orders. His rank is superior to others here on earth.

In Islam woman is not inferior to man interms of the concocted meaning ascribed to ‘inferiority’ by the wester kuffaar enemies of Islam.

That was interesting
Chooriwrocaey is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #10
Goalseexere

Join Date
Nov 2005
Posts
598
Senior Member
Default
superb answer. only a mufti could have done that.precise words and good analogies
I agree..superb answer.
Goalseexere is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #11
SM9WI8oI

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
412
Senior Member
Default
Salam,

Sometimes i have an issue with Muslim men who talk about this issue, because they themselves do not follow the Deen and criticise women for not doing so. However i fully agree with the OP and most of the responses.

I am in my final year of Psychology and many studies (Mahoney and Stattin, 2000; Riley, 1987) have shown that time away from the parents, unstructured activities, neglect and all other types of abuse are MASSIVE FACTORS in what makes the child become delinquent and commit criminal behaviour. This deliquent behaviour can start as early as 2-3 years old (snatching toys from children etc.).

The problem is the destruction of the family structure (as mentioned before by brother mh16388).

Let's say women are EXACTLY EQUAL with men, then who does what? Where does the child go? Who looks after the child? Who is the man, who is the woman?

Obviously there is no issue with a woman working, but if she WAS EXACTLY EQUAL then she would have to provide just as the man does, and this nonsensical. It would not work practically in any way. Islam sets up ROLES for the family and the roles are simple and clear, women can go out, women can visit parents, friends, go shopping, work BUT ONLY THE MAN MUST PROVIDE. If the woman works or owns some property the husband has NO right to it, she can offer half the share, but it is not obligatory. It is a MUST on a man to provide for his family. The point is, it is ABOUT ROLES TO KEEP THE FAMILY TOGETHER AND NOT BE DESTROYED INTO NON-EXISTENCE.

Juvenile criminal behaviour is a serious concern in a lot of areas (gangs etc.), what happened to these children's parents? A child is supposed to go to school, play with friends and do homework NOT shoot, kill, steal, be part of a gang, hate.

In another study by Daly and Perez (2009) (you can check it up) THE MOTHER'S AGE AND SELF REGULATION OF THE CHILD were big factors in PRO-SOCIAL behaviour. If the child was not taught this self-regulatory mechanism, the child would not understand it's own emotions and perceptions and would would be a "troubled child" at school. Kicking, fighting, stealing going as far as manipulating. Who teaches this very basic stuff to their own child, if both parents ARE EXACTLY EQUAL and both working? The day care? Again, not practical.

Maternal and Paternal care is key in a child's development (and not just in terms of Freud). Many things come down to how you developed as a child from what care you got from your parents.

Other studies have been done to show that not having A FATHER FIGURE at home is a factor in future criminal behaviour for the offspring. Again pointing to the importance of a STRUCTURED FAMILY to get the best out of the child.


this issue requires some research and I am lucky that I have some studied relevant stuff but to pass judgement on the Islamic teaching of ROLES IN THE FAMILY without knowing the importance of family is ignorant.

In Conclusion, without a father and a mother the child will suffer in some way in future life. To make sure the child has a good future by this logic he/she needs a good father figure and a good mother figure with SPECIFIC ROLES.

Salam
SM9WI8oI is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #12
HilaryNidierer

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
424
Senior Member
Default
Salam,

Sometimes i have an issue with Muslim men who talk about this issue, because they themselves do not follow the Deen and criticise women for not doing so. However i fully agree with the OP and most of the responses.

I am in my final year of Psychology and many studies (Mahoney and Stattin, 2000; Riley, 1987) have shown that time away from the parents, unstructured activities, neglect and all other types of abuse are MASSIVE FACTORS in what makes the child become delinquent and commit criminal behaviour. This deliquent behaviour can start as early as 2-3 years old (snatching toys from children etc.).

The problem is the destruction of the family structure (as mentioned before by brother mh16388).

Let's say women are EXACTLY EQUAL with men, then who does what? Where does the child go? Who looks after the child? Who is the man, who is the woman?

Obviously there is no issue with a woman working, but if she WAS EXACTLY EQUAL then she would have to provide just as the man does, and this nonsensical. It would not work practically in any way. Islam sets up ROLES for the family and the roles are simple and clear, women can go out, women can visit parents, friends, go shopping, work BUT ONLY THE MAN MUST PROVIDE. If the woman works or owns some property the husband has NO right to it, she can offer half the share, but it is not obligatory. It is a MUST on a man to provide for his family. The point is, it is ABOUT ROLES TO KEEP THE FAMILY TOGETHER AND NOT BE DESTROYED INTO NON-EXISTENCE.

Juvenile criminal behaviour is a serious concern in a lot of areas (gangs etc.), what happened to these children's parents? A child is supposed to go to school, play with friends and do homework NOT shoot, kill, steal, be part of a gang, hate.

In another study by Daly and Perez (2009) (you can check it up) THE MOTHER'S AGE AND SELF REGULATION OF THE CHILD were big factors in PRO-SOCIAL behaviour. If the child was not taught this self-regulatory mechanism, the child would not understand it's own emotions and perceptions and would would be a "troubled child" at school. Kicking, fighting, stealing going as far as manipulating. Who teaches this very basic stuff to their own child, if both parents ARE EXACTLY EQUAL and both working? The day care? Again, not practical.

Maternal and Paternal care is key in a child's development (and not just in terms of Freud). Many things come down to how you developed as a child from what care you got from your parents.

Other studies have been done to show that not having A FATHER FIGURE at home is a factor in future criminal behaviour for the offspring. Again pointing to the importance of a STRUCTURED FAMILY to get the best out of the child.


this issue requires some research and I am lucky that I have some studied relevant stuff but to pass judgement on the Islamic teaching of ROLES IN THE FAMILY without knowing the importance of family is ignorant.

In Conclusion, without a father and a mother the child will suffer in some way in future life. To make sure the child has a good future by this logic he/she needs a good father figure and a good mother figure with SPECIFIC ROLES.

Salam
Jazak Allah. two superb answers in one thread.
HilaryNidierer is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #13
JonnLeejsp

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
407
Senior Member
Default


Two posts related to the conflict that is increasingly evident today between one's 'common sense' shaped by the corrupted society around us, and the Truth revealed by Allah:

Our 'common sense' is very subjective and is hugely influenced by our surroundings.

If someone says that men are generally physically stronger than women, isn't that strictly speaking a sexist comment?

This does not negate the possiblity that there exists women who are stronger than many men, just as there exists women who intelligent than many men.

There are many similar comparative comments that one could make such as:

Men are generally bigger than women.

Women are generally more sensitive and caring than men.

Although the above comparisons may not have been confirmed by the Prophet we are willing to accept them wholeheartedly because it fits well with our 'common sense'. Yet we are unwilling to accept the Prophet's explicit statement regarding women's intelligence.

The fact that something doesn't sit comfortably with our 'common sense' should never be the basis on which to reject something. A major part of our 'common sense' has been formed by the unislamic society and environment in which we live in. That is why Muslims influenced by the west may find it slightly uncomfortable to accept many of the Islamic concepts - the hudud punishments, apostasy laws, etc.

If any part of religion, be it a verse, a Hadith, or a ruling, seems distasteful to our 'common sense' then consider attributing it to a weakness in our Iman and understanding, not the deen of Allah. Islam requires us to submit completely to the will of Allah. The prophet stated (to the effect) that none of us would become true believers until whatever we desire falls in line with what is revealed by Allah. Once we accept Allah as our Lord, the creator of this entire universe, the One who decided for mankind what is good and what is bad, then we should accept and submit to all His laws - both the laws that we understand and appreciate the wisdoms behind, and the laws that we have not been granted full comprehension of the wisdoms yet.

This submission to Allah's laws can sometimes become an arduous (but noble) task itself, for it is harshly opposed by the nafs and shaytan. This is especially the case when it comes to issues, and criterions of right and wrong, that have been shaped and formulated for us in our minds by the society that surrounds us. Complete submission to His will should be lifelong endeavour, regardless of whatever shortfalls we may presently have in our wisdom and understanding of Allah's laws.

Islam is absolutely perfect. Any fault we perceive is in reality within our own understanding. Those who drink fresh pure water from the mountains for the first time, find it distasteful, due to the relative impurity of the water that they have been accustomed to drinking.

Our intelligence is limited such that we will never be able to appreciate fully all the wisdoms behind Allah's laws. Any wisdom or ability to understand we have been granted to is from Allah's limitless bounties.

The wisdom and justice behind the hudud laws, for example, our beyond the comprehension of many of us who live in the west. Yet, for those who have been granted an understanding of some of the wisdoms behind these laws, the perfection and beauty of Islam is amplified.

We are like little toddlers playing in the middle of a road, and when our parents pick us up and remove of us from the road, we start crying, because we have not yet been granted the capacity to understand what dangers lie in wait. This feeble scenario does no justice to the disparity between the size of our intellects, and Allah's Will which encompasses the universe and whatever it contains.

May Allah make us into true believers, whose desires are completely determined by what Allah has revealed.
JonnLeejsp is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #14
arraxylap

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
448
Senior Member
Default

everyone

I think what makes women seem ‘inferior’ to their husbands is their having to obey their husband versus it being the other way around. If her husband refuses to let her see her parents, she’s not allowed but she, on the other hand, has no power stop him from visiting his. Some men won’t even allow their wives to leave their homes and they’re required to obey. Even if it’s as simple a matter as tieing one’s shoes in a certain way, she shouldn’t object. But the fact that she obeys doesn’t necessarily mean she is less intelligent than he or less knowledgeable just like subjects of a king can be more knowledgeable, courageous and intelligent than the king himself. All it is is a type of jihadunafs and a very difficult one at that if the husband is excessively controlling. Perhaps that’s why a wife that dies while her husband is pleased with her will enter Jannah from any gate she chooses. May Allah SWT grant us all hayaatun dayyibatun.Ameen.
arraxylap is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #15
Misebeita

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
368
Senior Member
Default
MashAllah...That was a great answer, He explains inferiority from a completely different perspective.
Misebeita is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #16
Fksxneng

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
477
Senior Member
Default
A woman with her piety can surpass any man in rank by Allah Ta’ala. By Allah Ta’ala, the criterion of superiority is Taqwa. Innumerable women will have higher ranks by Allah Ta’ala than males on account of their Taqwa. Every Mu’min is aware of the lofty rank of Hadhrat Aisha (radhiyallahu anha). She was the Ustaadh of numerous Sahaabah. She was the most beloved Wife of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhis salaam). She will be entering Jannat centuries before numerous male Sahaabah. What idea will you now gain when it is said that she is inferior to her husband. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhis salaam)? Is any contempt implied for her by this claim? We in fact say that contempt for her is Kufr. Thus, gradations in society are the creation and command of Allah Ta’ala. The Khalifah, sultan or king may be a corrupt and immoral man. But, the Shariah commands obedience to him in all his lawful orders. His rank is superior to others here on earth.

In Islam woman is not inferior to man interms of the concocted meaning ascribed to ‘inferiority’ by the wester kuffaar enemies of Islam.

icing of the cake.
Fksxneng is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #17
Sttim

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
431
Senior Member
Default
In Islam Are Women Inferior to Men?

In Islam are Women inferior to men? If so, why?

Answered by Mufti Ahmed Desai (Damat Barakatuhum):

Western, liberal and UN-Islamic ideas have distorted your mental vision. What is your conception of inferiority? the Qur’aan says about the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam):

“These are the messengers. We have given some ranks over (or above) others.”

Even the Ambiyaa are not equal. Rasulullah is superior in rank to Nabi Musaa . In fact he is superior than all the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam). Thus, in relation to Rasulullah all the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam) are inferior. Hadhrat Jibreel is the highest ranking Angel. In relation to him, Hadhrat Israafeel is inferior. In relation to Qur’aan Shareef, the Hadith is inferior. In relation to the Kab’ah, Masjidun Nabawi is inferior.

In relation to the elder brother, the younger brother is inferior. In relation to a mother, her son, even if he is a great Aalim and a Saint, is inferior. In relation to a elder sister, the younger brother is inferior. In relation to Hadhrat Abu Bakr , Hadhrat Umar and all the Sahaabah and the entire Ummah are inferior. In raltion to the Ustaadh, his students are inferior. In relation to a Shaikh, his mureeds are inferior whether male or female.

In every level of society there are ranks and gradations. The concept of blanket equality is a stupid idea of Kuffaar. The husband has been made the chief of the family by Allah Ta’ala. It is his responsibility to maintain and train his wife and children. He has the highest rank in his home. He is superior to his wife and children even if his sons are the greatest saints and he an ignorant farmer.

Is it an insult to all the Ambiyaa (alayhimus salaam) to say that they are inferior to Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam)? On the contrary, they all are proud to be the inferior followers of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). Similarly is it with all the ‘inferior’ beings cited above as examples. The Qur’aan categorically states:

“For men over them (women) is a rank.”

What problem do you or any Muslim have with this assertion of Allah Ta’ala? the problem is only that westernism and kufr liberalism have imposed on the minds of people that the higher male ranks relegates women to chattlehood. Modernist and deviated Muslims have been made to understand that women in Islam are contemptible; that men are free to abuse and denigrate them. But every Muslim who has even a slight understanding of Islam knows that these western ideas are plain garbage which the enemies of Allah gorge out. Even in Jannat there will be different ranks among all levels of people. When according to Islam even two men are not equal, what is wrong if there is not equality between men and women? But since deceived people have been indoctrinated to believe that ‘inferiority’ means contemptibility, they feel awkward with Islamic teachings.

A woman with her piety can surpass any man in rank by Allah Ta’ala. By Allah Ta’ala, the criterion of superiority is Taqwa. Innumerable women will have higher ranks by Allah Ta’ala than males on account of their Taqwa. Every Mu’min is aware of the lofty rank of Hadhrat Aisha (radhiyallahu anha). She was the Ustaadh of numerous Sahaabah. She was the most beloved Wife of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhis salaam). She will be entering Jannat centuries before numerous male Sahaabah. What idea will you now gain when it is said that she is inferior to her husband. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhis salaam)? Is any contempt implied for her by this claim? We in fact say that contempt for her is Kufr. Thus, gradations in society are the creation and command of Allah Ta’ala. The Khalifah, sultan or king may be a corrupt and immoral man. But, the Shariah commands obedience to him in all his lawful orders. His rank is superior to others here on earth.

In Islam woman is not inferior to man interms of the concocted meaning ascribed to ‘inferiority’ by the wester kuffaar enemies of Islam.

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious !!!
Sttim is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #18
gymnAnemoe

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
526
Senior Member
Default
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious !!!
Me says the same!!

A woman with her piety can surpass any man in rank by Allah Ta’ala. By Allah Ta’ala, the criterion of superiority is Taqwa. Innumerable women will have higher ranks by Allah Ta’ala than males on account of their Taqwa.

Theres definitly hope for us sisters...lets work at it insha Allah and not fall for the garbage churned out by the enemy
gymnAnemoe is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #19
wmhardware

Join Date
Nov 2005
Posts
462
Senior Member
Default
No women are not inferior to men and viceversa.

btw that looks like a badly translated work.
wmhardware is offline


Old 09-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #20
Abedgebeefs

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
422
Senior Member
Default

everyone

I think what makes women seem ‘inferior’ to their husbands is their having to obey their husband versus it being the other way around. If her husband refuses to let her see her parents, she’s not allowed but she, on the other hand, has no power stop him from visiting his. Some men won’t even allow their wives to leave their homes and they’re required to obey. Even if it’s as simple a matter as tieing one’s shoes in a certain way, she shouldn’t object. But the fact that she obeys doesn’t necessarily mean she is less intelligent than he or less knowledgeable just like subjects of a king can be more knowledgeable, courageous and intelligent than the king himself. All it is is a type of jihadunafs and a very difficult one at that if the husband is excessively controlling. Perhaps that’s why a wife that dies while her husband is pleased with her will enter Jannah from any gate she chooses. May Allah SWT grant us all hayaatun dayyibatun.Ameen.
The woman is allowed to see her parents once a week if her husband is over protective and does not allow her to do anything (According to AskImam.org). The husband is not allowed to lock his wife up, this is domestic abuse and it is not allowed. Yes the wife must obey the husband in lawful matters. But the husband is not allowed to abuse his wife and keep her from the world. The husband has to be obeyed (within reason), the wife obeying the husband does not mean she has to obey EVERYTHING, she has to obey her husband in lawful matters which do not go against her Deen and that do not harm her.

There is a hadith in which Abu Sufyan's (ra) wife goes to the Prophet (pbuh) and says to Him "my husband is stingy with money can I take money from him (without his permission) to feed me and my children?" Muhammad (pbuh) replied "yes you may... within reason."

The point is, yes husband is the leader of the family (due to there having to be roles in a family, as stated before in my previous post) but this leader is not to abuse his wife or children, but to keep the structure and it is most logical. Why?

1. The man provides for the wife and his children, he gives from what he earns to his wife and family.
2. The man protects his family.
3. The structure of the family is important, roles are important.

Using this logic, women having to obey her husband is normal. Because if her husband is providing for her, protecting her and should be loving to her, help her in the house (Sunnah), the woman should respect her husband due to what he does for her and the house. It would make no sense if the husband works really hard for his family and he comes home to the wife being disrespectful etc.

Note: There is nothing wrong with the wife "wearing the pants" in the relationship, having a stronger personality etc. (Again this is in the Hadith)

Salam.
Abedgebeefs is offline



Reply to Thread New Thread

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:30 AM.
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Design & Developed by Amodity.com
Copyright© Amodity