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What tariqa does Shaykh Hamza Yusuf follow? Or does he?

[WebDocMan]

What tariqa does Shaykh Hamza Yusuf follow? Or does he?

I don't think he follows any.

[Z3s9vQZj]

I don't think he follows any.

I heard he was a Shadhili. Allah knows best.

[beenBinybelia]

I don't think he folows a tariqa. However he used to be a murid of a tariqa. Not all scholars follow the approach of Shaykh-and-tariqa based tassawuf. For example you can find Imam Shatibi's letter to Ibn `Abbad al-Rundi, and the discussion of contemporary scholars such as Shaykh `Ali Jumu`ah in Islamica Magazine discussing tassawuf.

Imam Zaid however follows the Shadhili-Darqawi tariqa and was a murid of both Shaykh Abdur Rahman al-Shaghouri, and Shaykh Mustafa Turkmani (rahimahumullahi).

Was Salam.

[RagonaCon]

I don't think he folows a tariqa. However he used to be a murid of a tariqa. Not all scholars follow the approach of Shaykh-and-tariqa based tassawuf. For example you can find Imam Shatibi's letter to Ibn `Abbad al-Rundi, and the discussion of contemporary scholars such as Shaykh `Ali Jumu`ah in Islamica Magazine discussing tassawuf.

Imam Zaid however follows the Shadhili-Darqawi tariqa and was a murid of both Shaykh Abdur Rahman al-Shaghouri, and Shaykh Mustafa Turkmani (rahimahumullahi).

Was Salam.

Do you know which tariqa he used to follow?

Also, is Imam Zaid a shaykh in his tariqa (so that one could give baya to him)?

[crycleascentyv]

No Imam Zaid is a murid. Him and Shaykh Nuh used to be co-murids of Shaykh Abdal Rahman al-Shaghouri. But then Shaykh Nuh became a Shaykh and Imam Zaid did bay`ah to Shaykh Mustafa Turkmani (who just recently passed away). I think Imam Zaid is now bay`ah to Shaykh Shukri. Wa Allahu `Alam.

Was Salam.

[yespkorg]

Do you know which tariqa he used to follow?

shaykh hamza clearly places tasawwuf in its proper place, however he does not actively promote tariqa, because he has been quoted in some of his talks to have said it causes a group mentality - e.g. 'my tariqa is better than yours/my shaykh is better than yours' - this does occur, although in most tariqas i know this is one of the first lessons i.e. not to think you are better than any other muslim. based on this, one can conclude he is not in a particular tariqa - and certainly he does not ever promote any particular tariqa, and extensively quotes from a variety of sufi shuyukh, especially Imam al-Ghazali (no tariqa), Sidi Ahmad al-Zarruq (shadhili). He not long ago published a book of tasawwuf in english.

he used to be a member of shaykh abdalqadir's jama'a a long time ago - and he is shadhili-darqawi; but he left this group, and does not refer to shaykh abdalqadir at all nowadays.

it appears that he has taken the position of one of his teachers, shaykh murabit al-hajj (no need for tariqa).

may Allah preserve our `ulama

[tipokotap]

He adheres to the Mauritainian opinion on the Turuq i.e. they're not valid for our times. Allah knows best.

strictly speaking, thats not the 'mauritanian' position. because there are loads of sufi shaykhs belonging to tariqa in mauritania.

[yespkorg]

it appears that he has taken the position of one of his teachers, shaykh murabit al-hajj (no need for tariqa).

may Allah preserve our `ulama

He adheres to the Mauritainian opinion on the Turuq i.e. they're not valid for our times. Allah knows best.

thats an interesting position. can one of you guys someone esle elaborate on that?

[usaneisfiecup]

I don't think they say that "it is not valid for our times."

I think that some people practice tassawuf without tariqa. From the scholars who follow tariqa I have heard that you cannot achieve real spiritual ihsan (excellence) except through tariqa with almost no exception. Those scholars who aren't so pro-tariqa note that it is ok to take a Shaykh if one's lower self is so strong that one finds that he will not fall into sin except if there is a Shaykh to help them, but that it is not really an obligation or necessary for ALL people.

Imam Shatibi was a proponent of the view that a Shaykh is not always necessary yet he intended to write a book proving tassawuf (which he never got the chance to do, or we haven't found it). Ibn Khaldun, Ibn `Abbad al-Rundi, and others are of the view that a tariqa is necessary.

And Allah knows best I am really not even close to even knowing 1% of this stuff so ask Salman or someone who knows what he's talking about. This is just what I *think* I understand.

[Rtebydou]

There are a lot of "traditional" scholars w/o tariqa - Shaykh Ali Jum`ah, Shaykh Wahba Zuhayli, Shaykh Sa`eed Ramadan al-Bouti, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, etc. All of which are definetly not lesser people in my book. Actually those are all my favorites .

[g4YthYXx]

I don't think they say that "it is not valid for our times."

actually, i believe shaykh hamza said they are not 'for our times rather than 'valid in our times' - although i personally can't confirm he said this. in anycase he is entitled to his opinion on this, and he undoubtedly has respect for shaykhs of tariqa in modern times e.g. shaykh muhammad al-yaqoubi.

as for the apparent mauritaninan position, which is the position of Shaykh Murbit al-Hajj - it was explained by Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi at an event in Hounslow this year. he said that in Shaykh Murabit al-Hajj's tribe, all members of the tribe take their deen and all matters from the tribe leader who is Shaykh Murabit al-Hajj. i.e. in effect he is the murshid/spiritual guide. there is no need for tariqa, because they are living it - or at least the concept of it.

[c-cialis]

Salam alaikoum ;

I have some friends who are students in Al Azhar ; They belong the Naqshibandi Tariqa , they have a good contact with Sheikh Ali Juma'a and they told me that he is this Tariqa . He belong the Shadhiliya as well...

Salam alaikoum


Habib

[JonnTEN]

He adheres to the Mauritainian opinion on the Turuq i.e. they're not valid for our times. Allah knows best.

I too would appreciate some elaboration on this.

[sesWaipunsaws]

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[LsrSRVxR]

actually, i believe shaykh hamza said they are not 'for our times rather than 'valid in our times' - although i personally can't confirm he said this. in anycase he is entitled to his opinion on this, and he undoubtedly has respect for shaykhs of tariqa in modern times e.g. shaykh muhammad al-yaqoubi.

as for the apparent mauritaninan position, which is the position of Shaykh Murbit al-Hajj - it was explained by Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi at an event in Hounslow this year. he said that in Shaykh Murabit al-Hajj's tribe, all members of the tribe take their deen and all matters from the tribe leader who is Shaykh Murabit al-Hajj. i.e. in effect he is the murshid/spiritual guide. there is no need for tariqa, because they are living it - or at least the concept of it.

ehat does that mean? for our times?

[Diandaplaipsy]

Until a couple weeks ago I was under the impression that both Sheikh Hamza Yusuf and Sheikh Abdul Hakim Murad belonged to the Ba'lawi Tariqa through the late Sheikh Habib Mashur al-Haddad.

[standaman]

Until a couple weeks ago I was under the impression that both Sheikh Hamza Yusuf and Sheikh Abdul Hakim Murad belonged to the Ba'lawi Tariqa through the late Sheikh Habib Mashur al-Haddad.

Actually, Sheikh Abdul Hakim Murad is of the Alawi Tariqa

[g4YthYXx]

Actually, Sheikh Abdul Hakim Murad is of the Alawi Tariqa

Ba' Alawi you mean, of Tarim, Yemen.

[Drugsonl]

Actually, Sheikh Abdul Hakim Murad is of the Alawi Tariqa

Yep, Alahamdulillah!