[reachmanxx]

Please don't hold back and tell me how you really feel brother........... lol

I really used to enjoy brother Revert2001's posts, concision and humor. Where is he lost?

[horoshevapola]

The vast majority of non Muslims agree smoking is a useless activity but still drink. Is it because they say if you can control your drinking (in moderation as a social activity) it's fine? Even the Qur'an says there is a benefit but the cost outweights it.

[limpoporanique]

For non Muslims alcohol is a crutch a social lubricant, something which takes them out of reality. Reality stinks for them so they drink....it causes many health and social problems. If you live in an area where no one drinks alcohol you will notice a peaceful atmosphere...where it is drunk, you will get drunks being loud, property being vandalised and not a safe atmosphere. I think a good honest discussion with another human being is what they crave.

[erepsysoulptnw]

For non Muslims alcohol is a crutch a social lubricant, something which takes them out of reality. Reality stinks for them so they drink....it causes many health and social problems. If you live in an area where no one drinks alcohol you will notice a peaceful atmosphere...where it is drunk, you will get drunks being loud, property being vandalised and not a safe atmosphere. I think a good honest discussion with another human being is what they crave.

LOL. you are one really silly person.

Most people drink in social settings and cause no problems.

It's not to escape reality or because they have issues.

Basically, a gathering of just regular people having conversations and shared friendship.

[CindyLavender]

Middle class people tend to knock back a few glasses of wine every evening....more than the healthy amount.

Maybe its different in America.

LOL. you are one really silly person.

Most people drink in social settings and cause no problems.

It's not to escape reality or because they have issues.

Basically, a gathering of just regular people having conversations and shared friendship.

[AlexClips]

Middle class people tend to knock back a few glasses of wine every evening....more than the healthy amount.

And you know this how.............?

[bQXHsKzS]

And you know this how.............?

I work with non Muslims....being sober is dull...being drunk is something they try to be as often as possible.

[Dvjkefdw]

LOL. you are one really silly person.

Most people drink in social settings and cause no problems.

It's not to escape reality or because they have issues.

Basically, a gathering of just regular people having conversations and shared friendship.

I'm sorry but I disagree. There are a multitude of negative health effects from drinking alcohol. Some come immediately - for example some may pass out in dangerous places, others hurt themselves or get into fights.. And some are delayed - for example increased skin ageing, or liver cirrhosis. I am not saying absolutely everyone who drinks alcohol suffers negatively. However, the disbenefits definitely outweigh the benefits. I do not know the divine wisdom behind making Alcohol haram, but I am grateful that it is.. (and gambling and smoking).. if i was non-muslim, i know i would engage in all 3 sadly. (and yes, I know this.)

[MiniBoy]

Basically, a gathering of just regular people having conversations and shared friendship.

It's possible to do this without drinking poison. So why do they do it?

On a side note, you really seem to have some kind of vendetta against Abu Zakir. Why antagonize him all the time? It's haram to have this kind of scorn for another Muslim.

[Kausilwf]

I work with non Muslims....being sober is dull...being drunk is something they try to be as often as possible.

Yikes!! do you work in a pub?

[DenisMoor]

I'm sorry but I disagree. There are a multitude of negative health effects from drinking alcohol. Some come immediately - for example some may pass out in dangerous places, others hurt themselves or get into fights.. And some are delayed - for example increased skin ageing, or liver cirrhosis. I am not saying absolutely everyone who drinks alcohol suffers negatively. However, the disbenefits definitely outweigh the benefits. I do not know the divine wisdom behind making Alcohol haram, but I am grateful that it is.. (and gambling and smoking).. if i was non-muslim, i know i would engage in all 3 sadly. (and yes, I know this.)

No doubt continue drinking in excess can lead to serious medical issues and alcoholism.

But most people drink socially and in moderation.

So the health aspects are basically nill.

[ingeneensueva]

On a side note, you really seem to have some kind of vendetta against Abu Zakir. Why antagonize him all the time? It's haram to have this kind of scorn for another Muslim.

He makes so many ill informed and outrageous statements about Americans and America that it just boggles my mind.

95% of what he says about us has No basis in reality.

But he pontificates like he is some kind of authority on all things American.

And no, I don't have scorn for him; just pity........

[stunnyravytal]

No doubt continue drinking in excess can lead to serious medical issues and alcoholism.

But most people drink socially and in moderation.

So the health aspects are basically nill.

Dear brother, that is the myth wider western society perpetuates because they don't want to admit how bad the problems alcohol cause are.
http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/factsheets/nhs.pdf
Overall probably around 1 in 16 of all hospital admissions are for alcohol-related causes.
Alcohol-related diseases account for 1 in 8 NHS bed days (around 2 million) and 1 in 8 NHS day
cases (around 40,000).3
o Up to 35% of all accident and emergency attendances and ambulance costs are alcohol-related 3
o Between 12 midnight and 5am, 70% of attendances are alcohol-related3
o At peak times in A&E Departments,3
 40% of all attendees have a raised blood alcohol level
 14% are intoxicated
 43% are problematic drinkers
o Common reasons for alcohol-related attendance at A&E Departments include:3
 violent assault
 road traffic accidents
 psychiatric emergencies
 deliberate self harm
o In addition, 1 in 5 patients admitted to hospital for other reasons are drinking at hazardous levels.
o In 1993 Dr. J. Chick reported that in urban hospitals in Britain 15-30% of male medical and
surgical patients and 8-15% of women patients have alcohol problems.4 it goes on and on - perhaps I am biased because in the Ambulance Service ( i was in it for 2 years) we dealt with a lot of alcoholics.. so we did see the worst side of it, but i would have loved my job were it not for the alcoholics. (Drug addicts I felt more sympathy for, because they were dealing with addictions.. but then even just from alcohol one can get severely addicted... it's so horrid that once an alcoholic reaches a certain level, he will die if he does not drink alcohol and he is prescribed alcohol by his doctor!)

[weluvjessicaalba]

it goes on and on - perhaps I am biased because in the Ambulance Service ( i was in it for 2 years) we dealt with a lot of alcoholics.. so we did see the worst side of it, but i would have loved my job were it not for the alcoholics. (Drug addicts I felt more sympathy for, because they were dealing with addictions.. but then even just from alcohol one can get severely addicted... it's so horrid that once an alcoholic reaches a certain level, he will die if he does not drink alcohol and he is prescribed alcohol by his doctor!)

No doubt alcoholism is a serious problem and I wish alcohol was banned everywhere in the world.

I was just stating the most people in the west who drink do so moderately and have no health issues from social drinking.

Because according to Abu Zakir just about every American is a pathetic falling down drunk who continually start fights and doesn't know where his house is located.

[InsManKV]

He makes so many ill informed and outrageous statements about Americans and America that it just boggles my mind.

95% of what he says about us has No basis in reality.

But he pontificates like he is some kind of authority on all things American.

And no, I don't have scorn for him; just pity........

i believe many here feel the same way about you. your constant admiration for United S*** of America, defending the extremist perverse callous soldiers, catching people's words to make them look ridiculous, and then making equally ill-informed opinions about everything from islam to anything american is repugnant.

here is some fact for you: you are not an authority on anything american just because you are an american and because you live in america.

the way you misbehave with so many Muslims on the forum not just abu zakir shows you are a person with absolutely no manners and civility.

you treated people the same way before you were last banned. only that time you gave the excuse of "i am asking hard questions to sift lies from islam".
where are the hard questions now?

i thought you were funny now i think you are a time-waster, a troll, and one who loves a kafir country that has made life hell for Muslims around the world.

treat others how you wish to be treated yourself.

[sisuarmalmicy]

i believe many here feel the same way about you. your constant admiration for United S*** of America, defending the extremist perverse callous soldiers, catching people's words to make them look ridiculous, and then making equally ill-informed opinions about everything from islam to anything american is repugnant.

here is some fact for you: you are not an authority on anything american just because you are an american and because you live in america.

the way you misbehave with so many Muslims on the forum not just abu zakir shows you are a person with absolutely no manners and civility.

you treated people the same way before you were last banned. only that time you gave the lame excuse of "i am asking hard questions to sift lies from islam".
where are the hard questions now?

i thought you were funny now i think you are a time-wasting, flag-hugging troll.

Please don't hold back and tell me how you really feel brother........... lol

[FilmCriticAwezume]

Yikes!! do you work in a pub?

No I work with average non Muslims in a office environment.

This gives a balanced view:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/treatmen..._alcohol.shtml


However like pork, alcohol is deadly for your spiritual health.

[priceyicey]

The vast majority of non Muslims agree smoking is a useless activity but still drink. Is it because they say if you can control your drinking (in moderation as a social activity) it's fine? Even the Qur'an says there is a benefit but the cost outweights it.

Just ask the emergency services how much society is in "control" of their drinking. In the Uk binge drinking is now very common. It used to be mostly associated with men and now its also women who are heavil binge drinking.

Drinking and its associated consequances cost the country billions every year. Emergency services are mostly stretched to their limits when it comes to the weekends due to drinking and especially since drinking hours were extended which had no effect on how much people drank apart from that fact that people could drink longer into the night. So without a doubt drinking is of the biggest illnesses of most societies. Ask any emergency services and they will tell you because they are front line in having to deal with the consequances of the drink culture in western societys.

[ZIZITOPER]

Just ask the emergency services how much society is in "control" of their drinking. In the Uk binge drinking is now very common. It used to be mostly associated with men and now its also women who are heavil binge drinking.

Drinking and its associated consequances cost the country billions every year. Emergency services are mostly stretched to their limits when it comes to the weekends due to drinking and especially since drinking hours were extended which had no effect on how much people drank apart from that fact that people could drink longer into the night. So without a doubt drinking is of the biggest illnesses of most societies. Ask any emergency services and they will tell you because they are front line in having to deal with the consequances of the drink culture in western societys.

agreed - and people die because of this. Effectively the Ambulances are busy running around dealing with drunken idiots in city centres on Friday/Saturday Nights when there are ordinary people having heart attacks, strokes and accidents etc.
I remember one incident in particular in a UK city where a poor 2 year old had a heart attack in a suburb, and our nearest ambulance had just finished dealing with another drunk in the city centre. By the time it got to the child, the child had died. I dealt with this personally and it was very traumatic. I want everyone to know this because there are real world implications to calling the Ambulance Service - if it's not an emergency - do not call! (but if in doubt, of course you should!).. however people who willingly get themselves drunk, and then call the Ambulance Service, diverting scarce resources.. that i despise...

[surefireinvest]

Just ask the emergency services how much society is in "control" of their drinking. In the Uk binge drinking is now very common. It used to be mostly associated with men and now its also women who are heavil binge drinking.

Drinking and its associated consequances cost the country billions every year. Emergency services are mostly stretched to their limits when it comes to the weekends due to drinking and especially since drinking hours were extended which had no effect on how much people drank apart from that fact that people could drink longer into the night. So without a doubt drinking is of the biggest illnesses of most societies. Ask any emergency services and they will tell you because they are front line in having to deal with the consequances of the drink culture in western societys.

Yes and the hypocritical laws ban other drugs but allow alcohol. The makers and sellers of alcohol use all kinds of techniques to encourage people to drink more. alcohol wrecks lives but banning it is not the answer people need to be encouraged to give it up, they do not need it. Cigarettes are now being sold in huge eastern markets, China, India, Africa...so tobacco companies do not mind if their western markets are shrinking. The expanding markets will be hit by many sicknesses in the future because they have adopted smoking. Third world governments should ban it and prevent the tobbaco companies from selling their poison.