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Old 03-11-2009, 01:58 PM   #21
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brother, these 51 things and more are listed in books of fiqh and aqida that denying these things wil throw u from islam

why are these labeled fundamentals? usoool..for a reason

lets take few from the list like

Prohibition of alcohol
if a person says alcohol is not haram, can u stil regard him muslim?

or

Finality of the Prophethood
if someone denys that, is he a muslim?

Existence of Angels?
u tel me?

similary u can go thru each # on list..

these things are either proven from

a. clear verses of the Qur’an
b. al-sunnah al-mutawatirah (mass-transmitted narrations
c. absolute consensus (ijma’ qat’i


I personally concur with the understanding of Shah ‘Abd al-’Aziz al-Dahlawi on this issue.

But reading such articles/statements as the one by Shaykh Nuh (whom I hold in high esteem) still confuses me.

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Old 03-11-2009, 02:05 PM   #22
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I personally concur with the understanding of Shah ‘Abd al-’Aziz al-Dahlawi on this issue.

But reading such articles/statements as the one by Shaykh Nuh (whom I hold in high esteem) still confuses me.

sh. nuh is prb refering to some other things not mentioned in the list..

mayybe he has something in mind..somethings that can b kufr and stil not throw u out of islam..


but i feel sh. nuhs article is lil apologetic and confusing for many
just my personal views

i like articles dat are up to the point..makes things clear..and not leave ppl afterwards with 100 more questions in their mind
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Old 03-11-2009, 02:19 PM   #23
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[...] and confusing for many
just my personal views

i like articles dat are up to the point..makes things clear..and not leave ppl afterwards with 100 more questions in their mind


I really agree with you brother, fatwa for lay people need to be clear and easy to understand.

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Old 03-11-2009, 04:08 PM   #24
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Why are the Muslims in this sad pitiful state?

We have given preference to the world and lowered the akhirah.

Our goal in life has become to aquire the worldly pleasures and desires and practising on Islam is something we do when we can fit it in,or for mere traditional and cultural reasons.

Read Muslim degeneration and its only remedy,the opening parts atleast and it will give you some idea why Muslims of today are in the state we are in.
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Old 03-11-2009, 04:29 PM   #25
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Wa Alaikum as Salaam,

Is this a serious question?




Anyway Brother Colonel,


A question has been playing on my mind thanks to all those beard topics,


If the beard is so important and earns a man such great blessings, how come Allah created millions upon millions of Muslim Adult men with the inability to grow any facial hair at all??


I'll think of some more questions later.Hope someone can come up with a convincing answer for the one above, buena suerte.


the simplest answer i can think for you to be releived from this mind boggling is..

Its not the beard itself that is blessing and means of reward, because if it were Hillibillies and Hindu Sadhoos would have the most reward.

instead, the blessing, rewards are two folds

a. Primarily following the sunnah AND order of Rasulullah .
b. The reward in staying on fitra and not going astray from it . This is why fuqaha have called shaving as muthla (mutilation) of Allah's creation.

So to answer, its not the beard rather the command of sticking to the fitra and "growing" beard, which is rewarding and not the beard itself. This is why even those muslims who cannot grow beard, simply by not shaving whatever facial hear they have get the exact same reward..

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Old 03-11-2009, 04:30 PM   #26
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Truelife thanks for taking the time to reply to my question.

So we're to treat the beardless Muslim male masses as if they are disabled? Like those sick/elderly who cannot fast or perform sujuud? Are they to be pitied ? They are in the same category?




Another Question,


Is Everything the Prophet peace be upon him did to be done??
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Old 03-11-2009, 04:40 PM   #27
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Another Question,


Is Everything the Prophet peace be upon him did to be done??


If it was his normal habit to do such a thing, then yes (for eg beard) since he emphasized upon them in hadeeth.

Other acts will depend on the situation. Yet other actions out of love for Rasulullah will be a means for closeness and reward. for eg, there is a hadeeth about how Anas started to like eating calabash just because he saw Rasulullah liked it.

See, how merciful Allah is! There are millions of ways to earn rewards upon reward. Some have mentioned that the sunnah are like the stars in the sky, other mention the sunnah are like the grains of sand in the desert. Following any sunnah with the intention to please Allah will be a means of reward.

Note, as I mentioned in the first paragraph, if it's something that Rasulullah emphasized on, then the fuqaha will categorize it like waajib (the beard), sunnah muakkada (four raka'at before zuhr farfh), sunnah ghayr muakkada (two raka'at after zuhr), and other sunnah that are zawaaid will be classed as a means to gain extra reward, for example entering the house with the right foot.
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Old 03-11-2009, 04:59 PM   #28
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Why have many Muslims grown so weak that they seek to emulate and please the Kuffar in every possible detail, when we used to attempt to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet ?
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Old 03-11-2009, 05:18 PM   #29
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Why have many Muslims grown so weak that they seek to emulate and please the Kuffar in every possible detail, when we used to attempt to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet ?
As Maulana Yusuf Khandelvi said, we(muslims) seem to have a ehsas e kam tari(inferiority complex)

Inferiority complex we have will not be eradicated by only aquiring knowledge but by strenghthening ones Iman and Yaqeen.

In short MUSLIMS ARE ASHAMED
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:05 PM   #30
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Wa Alaikum As Salaam,

So, not everything Prophet Muhammed pbuh did is to be followed? How comes some people want to dress like the Prophet pbuh but not eat what he did? I have seen this phrase used a lot on these forums ''such and such is against the Sunnah'' ''praying bareheaded is against the Sunnah'' because the Prophet pbuh prayed with turbans..etc...so then Is it against the Sunnah to eat cultural staples like biryanis and tikka masalas etc?? and if it isn't, and you say there's room for differences of cuisines in the Ummah , how come the same doesn't go for cultural attire?
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:44 PM   #31
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As Maulana Yusuf Khandelvi said, we(muslims) seem to have a ehsas e kam tari(inferiority complex)

Inferiority complex we have will not be eradicated by only aquiring knowledge but by strenghthening ones Iman and Yaqeen.

In short MUSLIMS ARE ASHAMED
WHY?! Why?!

When I was getting advice from a sister about dhikr, and we were discussing dhikr of the mind versus dhikr of the heart, blablabla, she told me to yell ALLAH with all my power, and wherever in my chest I felt a flame of love, that was the location of my heart latayif (it's more difficult for sisters to work out the location physically, due to anatomical differences).

So, this two-month-old revert Muslim clears her throat and says ALLAH as loudly and clearly as she dares (the walls of the apartment were thin and our neighbors were staunch secularists etc.). "I said, shout it!" snapped the sister (on the other side of the country, surrounded by pious and devout sisters). "ALLLLAAAHHH!" she yelled, just to show me. I tried again: "Allah!"

"SHOUT out the name of your Creator!" she bellowed into my ear.

"Allah!" I tried again.

"SHOUT IT!"

"Allah!"

"Who is the source of this shame, sister? Not Allah and not his angels. Only other mortals. This is false shame. SHOUT IT!"

"ALLLAAAHHHH! Eek!"

Anyway, that little episode taught me a lot. I've never been able to forget it. How could I be more scared of the neighbors' opinion of me than that of my Creator?!

And since then, I've been working on my priorities, and I'm still struggling when it comes to the opinions of my non-Muslims family, etc. But I'm really puzzled by the general attitude of embarrassment among born-and-bred Muslims. Why all the secrecy, the closed doors, the hasty tidying away of prayer mats and Qurans when secular or non-Muslim visitors arrive? It's one thing choosing to associate with other like-minded Muslims, but it's another thing to conceal your devotion to Sharia and Sunnah among the less religious masses.

Let me share with you a theory I have, which I haven'T read anywhere, so it may be wrong, in which case, please correct me: there's natural shame, which comes from the fitrat which Allah created, and then there's learned shame, which comes from family and community etc. And the learned shame which doesn't originate from the Quran and hadith, is entirely false shame, and is shame of things which please Allah. And this false shame, funnily enough, isn'T propagated by non-Muslims, but by Muslims themselves. Take a look at revert Muslims, and then at born-and-bred Muslims - who is prouder of their religion, and who is more eager to appease society than Allah?

If my words sound harsh, forgive me. I was just speaking to a sister who, after a year of struggling with her nafs and other concerns, finally started wearing hijab a couple of weeks ago. For the past few days she's been staying inside the house as much as possible, despite having little tasks like taking out the trash which necessitate going outside.

This morning she awoke filled with calmness, and followed her husband outside to the gate to bid him farewell on the way to the office, her head held high (metaphorically!), for once not caring what the neighbors would be saying about her new appearance.

She even waved at her next-door neighbor who was outside watering her garden.

"Oh! Is that you under there?" giggled the neighbor. "I was about to call in the anti-terrorist squad!"

Our sister just smiled and said, "It's me."

And her salah-performing, dhikr-reciting Muslim husband edged away from her and called out to the neighbor something like: "It's just some new fashion thing, I don't understand women!" And gave an embarrassed laugh and jumped into his car, all clean-shaven face and Western-style business suit and hi-tech laptop computer etc.

So forgive me if I'm blaming the Muslims themselves for propagating this false shame, particularly the brothers.

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Old 03-11-2009, 08:55 PM   #32
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Wa Alaikum As Salaam,

So, not everything Prophet Muhammed pbuh did is to be followed? How comes some people want to dress like the Prophet pbuh but not eat what he did? I have seen this phrase used a lot on these forums ''such and such is against the Sunnah'' ''praying bareheaded is against the Sunnah'' because the Prophet pbuh prayed with turbans..etc...so then Is it against the Sunnah to eat cultural staples like biryanis and tikka masalas etc?? and if it isn't, and you say there's room for differences of cuisines in the Ummah , how come the same doesn't go for cultural attire?
Assalaamu Alaikum

Please re-read my post. I clearly mentioned about stressed sunnahs, and then other sunnah like eating etc.

A person who loves Rasulullah will try his utmost just to do the things he did. It is a means of gaining reward from Allah. If someone wants to leave sunnahs not deemed necessary, then they are only limiting the rewards they will gain. I gave you an example of Anas liking calabash simply because he saw Rasulullah liked it. Umar used to pronounce the letter ض the same way Rasulullah pronounced it, even though there are two easier ways to pronounce it. A sahaba used to make the motion of ducking beneath a branch when he used to pass a certain place even though there was no branch there..Why? Simply because Rasulullah used to do it when the branch was there.

There are stories of our predecessors racing with their wives twice, once the wife winning, once the husband winning. Why? Because they were trying to emulate Rasulullah racing twice with Ayesha , once winning, once losing.

So really, in the end it's how much love a person has for Rasulullah . We see people all over the world cosplaying and imitating the actors, tv characters and singers they love. Why is it so hard for us to do something we'll gain reward for? I think br ENIGMA and sr Kayra's posts tell it as it is.
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:57 PM   #33
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This is why even those muslims who cannot grow beard, simply by not shaving whatever facial hear they have get the exact same reward..



Yes this is the most simple and perfect response. I see it as the act of "letting the beard be" (and keeping it tidy if it grows ) rather than "growing the beard".
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:02 PM   #34
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Truelife thanks for taking the time to reply to my question.

So we're to treat the beardless Muslim male masses as if they are disabled? Like those sick/elderly who cannot fast or perform sujuud? Are they to be pitied ? They are in the same category?


I know this was response to another post, but your question about the beard has been dealt with. You should acknowledge the satisfactory answer. None of these questions apply if you have understood the response by abuhajira.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:10 PM   #35
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Yes this is the most simple and perfect response. I see it as the act of "letting the beard be" (and keeping it tidy if it grows ) rather than "growing the beard".
I think thats a far better way to say it,mashallah.

On topic,I think posts 31 & 32 hit the nail on the head,with regards to to this thread.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:11 PM   #36
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Are questions about aqeeda allowed? I mean taboo questions about Allah's foreknowledge and predestination vs free will, what does it mean for Allah to be "pleased" or "angry" since a perfect being does not change, how can Allah be the most just and the most merciful at the same time, etc.,?
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:12 PM   #37
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Wa Alaikum As Salaam,

So, not everything Prophet Muhammed pbuh did is to be followed? How comes some people want to dress like the Prophet pbuh but not eat what he did? I have seen this phrase used a lot on these forums ''such and such is against the Sunnah'' ''praying bareheaded is against the Sunnah'' because the Prophet pbuh prayed with turbans..etc...so then Is it against the Sunnah to eat cultural staples like biryanis and tikka masalas etc?? and if it isn't, and you say there's room for differences of cuisines in the Ummah , how come the same doesn't go for cultural attire?


Quote from Mufti Husain's signature, something to think about. So true :

Sahabah رضي الله عنهم would cling fast to the Sunnah, on account of it being Sunnah, while we discard the Sunnah, on account of it being (just) Sunnah!

Also something can be "against the Sunnah" but not carry sin. Like for men to wear perfume, to enter Masjid with right foot, du'a of Wudhu etc. So if one omits it, then it is technically against the Sunnah but not necessarily sinful.

But others will carry sin like the Sunnah Mu'akkadah and Wajib. Like missing Jamaa'ah in the Masjid for men, missing Sunnahs before and after Zuhr etc.

Anyway this has been explained by others before please read it again. Who said you can't wear attire of a different culture? That is completely fine so long as it conforms with rules of modesty...
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:28 PM   #38
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Wa Alaikum As Salaam,

So, not everything Prophet Muhammed pbuh did is to be followed? How comes some people want to dress like the Prophet pbuh but not eat what he did? I have seen this phrase used a lot on these forums ''such and such is against the Sunnah'' ''praying bareheaded is against the Sunnah'' because the Prophet pbuh prayed with turbans..etc...so then Is it against the Sunnah to eat cultural staples like biryanis and tikka masalas etc?? and if it isn't, and you say there's room for differences of cuisines in the Ummah , how come the same doesn't go for cultural attire?
sister

Are you Turkish by any chance?!

If Muslims focused less on other Muslims' missing Sunnah, and instead put the same energy into increasing the number of Sunnah they themselves adopt, then maybe the Ummah would be presenting a much stronger and more united front to the rest of the world.

Of course we have our cultural differences in appearance etc., even in fardh like hijab - so long as we remain within the boundaries of what is permitted, preferred and rewarded, insha'Allah.

If some Muslims stick to "cultural staples like biryanis and tikka masalas", because the ingredients are readily available, or that is what the sisters of the household were taught to cook, and their husbands enjoy eating it - but they eat on the floor, start the meal with salt, use their right hands to eat, and preserve perfect adab throughout the meal - why nitpick about the ingredients that went into the pot?! Why not strive to emulate their excellent Sunnah devotion, and not dig around for the one thing that they haven't (yet) introduced into their daily life?!

And actually, our Prophet wasn't at all fussy about what he ate, so there =) It's Sunnah to eat what is served to you without criticism. I'm sure he wouldn't have turned his nose up at tikka masalas!

The items of food on somebody else's plate is certainly not our concern, and is in no way twisted justification for criticizing or belittling the people who attempt to follow major and minor Sunnah, like beard, dress, adab, etc. It's like saying - "HE eats pizzas, so I don't have to grow a beard!"

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Old 03-11-2009, 09:44 PM   #39
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WHY?! Why?!

When I was getting advice from a sister about dhikr, and we were discussing dhikr of the mind versus dhikr of the heart, blablabla, she told me to yell ALLAH with all my power, and wherever in my chest I felt a flame of love, that was the location of my heart latayif (it's more difficult for sisters to work out the location physically, due to anatomical differences).

So, this two-month-old revert Muslim clears her throat and says ALLAH as loudly and clearly as she dares (the walls of the apartment were thin and our neighbors were staunch secularists etc.). "I said, shout it!" snapped the sister (on the other side of the country, surrounded by pious and devout sisters). "ALLLLAAAHHH!" she yelled, just to show me. I tried again: "Allah!"

"SHOUT out the name of your Creator!" she bellowed into my ear.

"Allah!" I tried again.

"SHOUT IT!"

"Allah!"

"Who is the source of this shame, sister? Not Allah and not his angels. Only other mortals. This is false shame. SHOUT IT!"

"ALLLAAAHHHH! Eek!"

Anyway, that little episode taught me a lot. I've never been able to forget it. How could I be more scared of the neighbors' opinion of me than that of my Creator?!

And since then, I've been working on my priorities, and I'm still struggling when it comes to the opinions of my non-Muslims family, etc. But I'm really puzzled by the general attitude of embarrassment among born-and-bred Muslims. Why all the secrecy, the closed doors, the hasty tidying away of prayer mats and Qurans when secular or non-Muslim visitors arrive? It's one thing choosing to associate with other like-minded Muslims, but it's another thing to conceal your devotion to Sharia and Sunnah among the less religious masses.

Let me share with you a theory I have, which I haven'T read anywhere, so it may be wrong, in which case, please correct me: there's natural shame, which comes from the fitrat which Allah created, and then there's learned shame, which comes from family and community etc. And the learned shame which doesn't originate from the Quran and hadith, is entirely false shame, and is shame of things which please Allah. And this false shame, funnily enough, isn'T propagated by non-Muslims, but by Muslims themselves. Take a look at revert Muslims, and then at born-and-bred Muslims - who is prouder of their religion, and who is more eager to appease society than Allah?

If my words sound harsh, forgive me. I was just speaking to a sister who, after a year of struggling with her nafs and other concerns, finally started wearing hijab a couple of weeks ago. For the past few days she's been staying inside the house as much as possible, despite having little tasks like taking out the trash which necessitate going outside.

This morning she awoke filled with calmness, and followed her husband outside to the gate to bid him farewell on the way to the office, her head held high (metaphorically!), for once not caring what the neighbors would be saying about her new appearance.

She even waved at her next-door neighbor who was outside watering her garden.

"Oh! Is that you under there?" giggled the neighbor. "I was about to call in the anti-terrorist squad!"

Our sister just smiled and said, "It's me."

And her salah-performing, dhikr-reciting Muslim husband edged away from her and called out to the neighbor something like: "It's just some new fashion thing, I don't understand women!" And gave an embarrassed laugh and jumped into his car, all clean-shaven face and Western-style business suit and hi-tech laptop computer etc.

So forgive me if I'm blaming the Muslims themselves for propagating this false shame, particularly the brothers.

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Just one question, Sr. Kayra - Why is it that your posts always bring smile [and some time even laughter] on my face and also leave me to wonder about your writing skills?

Masha'Allah! You're so eloquent, seriously.

Please, stay amongst us and keep enlightening us the same way.

Wassalaam
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:11 PM   #40
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Mashallah Sister Kayra that was scary yet interesting to read, hmmm gosh I would be scared if someone was yelling at me like that, I would want to know where the mute button was hehe, REAL good stuff sis May Allah bless you for it Ameen

I wanted an explanation on the following Hadith,

The Woman that does not remarry, looks after her kids, will be with Muhammad pbuh in Jannah, and he put his index middle next to his middle finnger, showing the closeness and honor for her sacrifices!!

Can someone please explan this in more detail, I am facinated by it, ever since I read it.
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