[Ygd2qr8k]

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

Do we have any proof which suggests that this is the case?

Just around now a verdict on some parts of Gujrat riots of 2002 has come.
The Judge argued that she is not handing out capital punishment because world environment is turning against it and till last years 139 countries have abolished it. So she sent Maya Kodnani and Babu Bajrangi to life imprisonment only.
Point to notice here is that she has used a global perspective while delivering the judgement and thus we shall be justified in rejecting Norway is Norway and India is India argument - if some one brought that here.
To complete the circle - she ignored another news that has been in the air around these days.
Ajmal Amir Qasab, surviving accused of Mumbai November 26, 2008 attacks, was in news. His death penalty was confirmed by a higher court.

[Pinkman]

Wa 'alaikumu as-salam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

It would be similar but different. I don't think the Muslim would have necessarily been thought of as insane, which is a positive depending on how you think of this. Breivik dreaded being deemed a psycho. He didn't want to be seen as insane because that would damage his cause in his mind. People don't want to be deemed as nutjobs. Breivik was happy not to be declared insane! Most of Breivik's trial was about whether he was insane or not. Being declared insane is humiliating.

The fact is Breivik has caused damage to people like him in Norway. It threw his ideology in bad light.

I don't think the sentence would be that different. A Muslim would most likely get life, which Breivik has also got in practice. I don't think the Norwegian goverment is going to let him out after this fiasco. Have you followed this case? There was a big investagation into the police response. It found that this thing could have been prevented better handled. It was found to be inadequate. The Primime Minister said he, as the country's head, had to take the blame for the delayed response. An absolute fiasco which they don't want to relive.

Quite frankly, I don't know if a Muslim would have gotten a mattress as soft as Breivik's with absolute certainty. But since there is no evidence that Muslims receive poorer facilities in Norwegian prisons, I will assume that he would have seeing that Norway is very liberal.

If a Muslim had done this, I would want him behind bars just like Breivik. It does not matter whether it is Breivik or a Muslim. The only problem if it was a Muslim, would have been the backlash against the Muslims and Islam. That is very dreadful and hateful to me.

In summary, it would have been quite similar but slightly different, not much in practice. And Allahs knows best.

I hear what you are saying, but from what I have seen over the last two decades with regards the sentencing of Muslims in Europe I don't believe it.

[excivaamome]

I would normally prefer a conservative heading but situation is sufficiently alarming that a graphic title be tolerated. To many signals are emanating from European society that indicate that this continent is loosing grip over the rope. Here is one example. Please try to report conservatively the social, cultural and moral crisis of that geographical location. We shall be leaving the economic and military turpitude to other threads.

Europe Can Not Deal With Anders Behring Breivik Have a look at the photograph that goes with this news item.
Anders Behring Breivik smiles as he came to hear the verdict on his heinous crime.
People were running for their life in very desperate manner.
Some even thought that he is the saviour for he was in police uniform.
But he remorselessly killed them.
Europe can not deal with Anders Behring Breivik
Or any moral question, for that matter.
The only reliable morality is religious morality when the religion comes from God.
Europe kicked religion out of their life and plunged itself into darkness through a process that is ironically called enlightenment.
Court has handed Breivik 25 years punishment.
Just imagine that there is a massacre of some large number of people by a person who killed them in cold blood to teach lessons to some other people.
And the punishment is just 25 years imprisonment.
Our European friends do not realize that by some impossible mental gymnastic propelled by by some pseudo-morality criminals have been decidedly and firmly given more rights then common people including victims.

[Tw1anJOO]

I know its a joke that he only got 25 years, by the looks of it he'll be out in less than half of that time. However Scandinavian prisons are pretty chilled and one can also describe them as luxurious, don't really think it was a fair decision he got to be honest and it done no justice to the victims and their families. However if it was a muslim then extra charges would have sprung up from nowhere and I'm sure the relevant authorities would have made sure he got several life sentences in prison.

[untostaronaf]

Case of Dr Aafia Siddiqui sallamha came to mind.

[xADMlNx]

Case of Dr Aafia Siddiqui sallamha came to mind.

Same thing came to my mind too when I read this news. They will never become friends of Muslims.

[fedelwfget]

It is unfortunate that Muslims from immigrant backgrounds have entered into Europe and carried out criminal activities...drug dealing, sex trafficking, robbery etc. and these have been used by the haters to tarnish all Muslims and Islam.

I have a theory that it was the jews who have promoted immigration into Europe and America. They were afraid of being jews amongst white Christians because historically they always turned against them violently. The jews worked towards secularizing the Christians and promoting immigration of non whites. They hoped this would enable the jews to be safe..because divide and rule and people would fight against other immigrants instead of jews. Allah spreads His religion even through evil people.

[andrekuper]

It is unfortunate that Muslims from immigrant backgrounds have entered into Europe and carried out criminal activities...drug dealing, sex trafficking, robbery etc. and these have been used by the haters to tarnish all Muslims and Islam.

I have a theory that it was the jews who have promoted immigration into Europe and America. They were afraid of being jews amongst white Christians because historically they always turned against them violently. The jews worked towards secularizing the Christians and promoting immigration of non whites. They hoped this would enable the jews to be safe..because divide and rule and people would fight against other immigrants instead of jews. Allah spreads His religion even through evil people.

Looking at the number of people who have turned against God, to their own loss, one does feel sorry for Europe.
Reason perhaps is not that material as to give them hope and direction.
And that is hindered by one fact - they know better than us.

[wooclosmercob]

Muslim extremist convicted - Published on Monday, 26th March, 2012

Oslo District Court has sentenced Mullah Krekar to five years imprisonment for death threats against several named people. The 55-year-old Mullah, whose real name is Najmuddin Faraj Ahmad, made alleged menaces against several Kurds for burning a Koran on a video uploaded to YouTube.

At the opening of his trial, Krekar ..... denied he was guilty. During the process, he said he was indifferent to Erna Solberg, had no knowledge of her, but admitted he heard her name on TV.

The Mullah, who was also ordered him pay one of the people 100,000 kroner compensation, appealed today’s verdict on the spot.

http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/mu...ist-convicted/

A Muslim man (maybe) threatens some people for burning Qur'ans ang gets 5 years in prison

A Nazi Christian man murders 77 innocents and wounds many more and gets 21 years

very simple maths says Brevik (sentenced to 21 years) only got 0.27 years (under 4 months) for each murder

- so Brevik gets only around 5 years for 15 murders (not mentioning the woundings)

and Muslim man gets 5 years for just saying something

???

[dahlilaninfo]

What is the use of issuing such a fatwa? We do not live in a khilafah. If we lived in a khilafah such things would not even arise. Muslims should be working to establish khilafah...it cannot be that difficult. If everyon in a city chooses one leader who then collects Zakaat from them...it is a start.

Muslim extremist convicted

Published on Monday, 26th March, 2012

Oslo District Court has sentenced Mullah Krekar to five years imprisonment for death threats against several named people.

The 55-year-old Mullah, whose real name is Najmuddin Faraj Ahmad, made alleged menaces against several Kurds for burning a Koran on a video uploaded to YouTube.

Krekar issued a Fatwa against two of them but denied threatening anyone with death, and participated in a demonstration against the Koran burning on 02nd March. During it, he praised the killer of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh in 2004 for his film, perceived as being insulting to Islam.

The Mullah was also charged for having made death threats against Conservative Party (H) leader Erna Solberg in 2010. He proclaimed, “My death will cost Norwegian society. If, for example, Erna Solberg throws me out of the country and I die as a result, she will suffer the same fate.”

Mrs Solberg was Minister of Local Government and Regional Development when she signed the Mullah's deportation order in 2003. In 2007, the Norwegian Supreme Court upheld his deportation, deeming him a threat to national security.

He is currently non-returnable on humanitarian grounds, as the Iraqi government cannot guarantee that he will not be given the death penalty, however. Last month, Somali Prime Minister Abdiweli Mohamed Ali stated clearly the Mullah would meet his death if he set foot in his country.

At the opening of his trial, Krekar first admitted partial guilt to the current charges, but subsequently denied he was guilty. During the process, he said he was indifferent to Erna Solberg, had no knowledge of her, but admitted he heard her name on TV.

The Mullah, who was also ordered him pay one of the people 100,000 kroner compensation, appealed today’s verdict on the spot.

http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/mu...ist-convicted/

[encumeterz]

he was accused of it - do you know that he did it for sure? He seemingly denied the charges later in the trial.

my point is ...

A Muslim man (maybe) threatens some people for burning Qur'ans ang gets 5 years in prison

A Nazi Christian man murders 77 innocents and wounds many more and gets ONLY 21 years

very simple maths says Brevik (sentenced to 21 years) only got 0.27 years (under 4 months) for each murder (and actually I rounded off much too much it is much more than 15 if you do the sum a little more accurately)

- so Brevik gets only around 5 years for 15 murders (not mentioning the woundings)

and Muslim man gets 5 years for just saying something

??? Sadly I have seem similar inbalances in the UK.

When Muslim youths have been involved in riots in Northern England they were treated much, much more harshly than non-Muslim youths have been in similar riots since then and before.

The truth is that Muslims have been turned into stereotypes by the propaganda of the western media, they have become the scapegoats of the west.

Anders Brevik has fair hair and calls himself a Christian - rather than seeing him as a stereotype they see him as a human being, although in truth he is far from being one.

[br`lorance]

...

Anders Brevik has fair hair and calls himself a Christian - rather than seeing him as a stereotype they see him as a human being, although in truth he is far from being one.

It seems that the system and society always play the insanity card when it comes to White/European/Christians. Funny thing though is during the trial, this guy insisted that he wasn't insane. The time that he got for the crime is like a slap on the wrist.

When it comes to Muslims, it's guilty until proven innocent... well, not really. They'll hide/tamper the proof and still incriminate you.


And like the other brother mentioned on how the prison system is set up over there, this guy is going to be like a kid in time-out.


...Enlightenment, huh.

[j2Y6Ysmb]

I doubt if he will be allowed out after 21 years in jail, if he is deemed a danger to society they will extend his sentence. Breivik himself said their 'liberal' laws are stupid which is why he murdered those liberal kids. (liberals are despised because they approve of immigration, are soft on criminals and they promote multiculturalism).

[rolex-buy]

What is the use of issuing such a fatwa? We do not live in a khilafah. If we lived in a khilafah such things would not even arise. Muslims should be working to establish khilafah...it cannot be that difficult. If everyon in a city chooses one leader who then collects Zakaat from them...it is a start.

I think the Taliban were trying to do something like this, but then they had to fight a bloody war with NATO for ten years. There are Muslims working for it, but I disagree that it's not that difficult.

[ffdfriendforurr]

ws


Khilafa is relatively easy...we think we have to destroy the current system and replace it in any particular land. We do not. All nation-states allow non state organizations to form within the state (clubs, associations, corporations etc.) We (Muslims) could create a small association or organization which gradually grows. Every city in which Muslims live could appoint a leader who applies the shariah who then collects Zakaat has a baitul mal etc. Building a government within the shell of the existent one.

I think the Taliban were trying to do something like this, but then they had to fight a bloody war with NATO for ten years. There are Muslims working for it, but I disagree that it's not that difficult.

[Abedgebeefs]

(Muslims) could create a small association or organization which gradually grows. Every city in which Muslims live could appoint a leader who applies the shariah who then collects Zakaat has a baitul mal etc. Building a government within the shell of the existent one.

lol that sounds basically exactly the same as what happened in the early history of the Muslim brotherhood

[Derrida]

ws


Khilafa is relatively easy...we think we have to destroy the current system and replace it in any particular land. We do not. All nation-states allow non state organizations to form within the state (clubs, associations, corporations etc.) We (Muslims) could create a small association or organization which gradually grows. Every city in which Muslims live could appoint a leader who applies the shariah who then collects Zakaat has a baitul mal etc. Building a government within the shell of the existent one.

These ideas need to be developed in their full implications, in a different threads.
And we should also identify institutions world over most detrimental to the interests of Muslims and Islam.

[Geetiill]

lol that sounds basically exactly the same as what happened in the early history of the Muslim brotherhood

Hardcore ikwani muslimeen thought they formed a revolutionary 'vanguard' (socialist and modernist influences) against a jahili society which was kafir. They were isolationist takfiris. Had they not adopted these modernist assumptions, actually setup a baitul mal and collected zakaat they would have had more success.

People can rebel against the nation-state in non violent ways, not paying taxes, hiding ones true income from the state, exploiting the inefficient bureaucracy by losing paperwork, delaying tactics...doing everything to help the state ruin itself. And all the time building something to replace it, something fluid, dynamic and capable of good government, Violent struggle is often instigated by the state itself because it helps the state to empower itself in the name of security. Terrorism is a losing tactic adopted by losers or 'useful idiots' employed by the state and unknowingly helping the state.

[amannddo]

It is almost a pity the Murabitun guys have left the forum some years ago, they have views very similar to bro Abu Zakir and he could bounce his thoughts with them.

[zibTefapparia]

It is almost a pity the Murabitun guys have left the forum some years ago, they have views very similar to bro Abu Zakir and he could bounce his thoughts with them.

Can you summarize their philosophy and the reason they were chased away - I have been curious about that.