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Al-Sudais: Uphold Harams’ sanctity

MAKKAH: ARAB NEWS

Friday 10 August 2012

Sheikh Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais, head of the Presidency for Two Holy Mosques, has called on all pilgrims and worshippers to uphold the sanctity of the two holy mosques. He reminded women worshippers at the mosque that it is better for them to stay in their homes.

“We all must respect the sanctity of the two holy mosques, and respect each other and cooperate with one another,” Al-Sudais said while giving a lecture at the mosque on Wednesday. He said all believers must keep away from activities that violate the sanctity of the two holy mosques such as taking photos and chatting on mobile phones and women mingling with men.

“Some women come to the Haram neglecting the teachings of the Prophet (peace be upon him), applying perfumes, showing their beauty and without wearing Islamic dress,” said Al-Sudais, who is also an imam of the Grand Mosque.

He quoted a Hadith of the Prophet saying, “You should not prevent women from entering the houses of God (mosques), but homes are better for them,” indicating the imam preferred women to stay at home without jostling with men at the Haram during this peak season.

Sheikh Al-Sudais does not favor people doing itikaf (retreat in a mosque for worship and meditation), sleeping in the mosque’s ground floor, although his predecessor had allowed it. “We have to respect the Grand Mosque. We should know that Haram is not a hotel,” said Al-Sudais, who has been imam of the Grand Mosque for three decades.

http://www.arabnews.com/al-sudais-up...80%99-sanctity

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Al-Sudais: Uphold Harams’ sanctity

MAKKAH: ARAB NEWS

Friday 10 August 2012

Sheikh Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais, head of the Presidency for Two Holy Mosques, has called on all pilgrims and worshippers to uphold the sanctity of the two holy mosques. He reminded women worshippers at the mosque that it is better for them to stay in their homes.

“We all must respect the sanctity of the two holy mosques, and respect each other and cooperate with one another,” Al-Sudais said while giving a lecture at the mosque on Wednesday. He said all believers must keep away from activities that violate the sanctity of the two holy mosques such as taking photos and chatting on mobile phones and women mingling with men.

“Some women come to the Haram neglecting the teachings of the Prophet (peace be upon him), applying perfumes, showing their beauty and without wearing Islamic dress,” said Al-Sudais, who is also an imam of the Grand Mosque.

He quoted a Hadith of the Prophet saying, “You should not prevent women from entering the houses of God (mosques), but homes are better for them,” indicating the imam preferred women to stay at home without jostling with men at the Haram during this peak season.

Sheikh Al-Sudais does not favor people doing itikaf (retreat in a mosque for worship and meditation), sleeping in the mosque’s ground floor, although his predecessor had allowed it. “We have to respect the Grand Mosque. We should know that Haram is not a hotel,” said Al-Sudais, who has been imam of the Grand Mosque for three decades.

http://www.arabnews.com/al-sudais-up...80%99-sanctity

Argh these deobandies and their culturalism...

[ffdfriendforurr]

Perhaps he was brainwashed by Deobandis during his visit to DUD. (kidding)

[Hitfaromarf]

Assalamu Alaikum, It is really sad to see people talking on the cell phones from inside the Haram while doing Tawaaf, I say this because someone called me while they were doing Tawaaf, what have we come too. I am glad the Shaikh has touched this point and about the way women go to The Haram or any other Masjid for that matter, may Allah forgive us, ameen.

[poekfpojoibien]

Perhaps he was brainwashed by Deobandis during his visit to DUD. (kidding)

Argh these deobandies and their culturalism...

Wonder if he will be labelled a misogynist and all kinds of other niceties.

[13spebampiliece]

i have a friend who is in umrah at the moment. just some of the things that happened to him...

he got hustled by a professional beggar RIGHT in front of the kabah. then the very next day he was with his cousin in front of the kabah and the same crook tried to hustle his cousin. when he realised my friend was there he actually ran away.

he mistakenly left £100 and some earphones in is clothes pocket and gave them to the laundry. when he realised he went back to the laundry only to be told that his pockets are empty.

he saw people talking on mobile phones as they were doing tawaf!

he has also reported that there is news going around in madinah that a family were getting out from a taxi. the adults got out first, but before the daughters (around 17/18 years old) managed to get out, the taxi drove off. it has been a few days and they still have not been found.

[Ruiceara]

i have a friend who is in umrah at the moment. just some of the things that happened to him...

he got hustled by a professional beggar RIGHT in front of the kabah. then the very next day he was with his cousin in front of the kabah and the same crook tried to hustle his cousin. when he realised my friend was there he actually ran away.

he mistakenly left £100 and some earphones in is clothes pocket and gave them to the laundry. when he realised he went back to the laundry only to be told that his pockets are empty.

he saw people talking on mobile phones as they were doing tawaf!

he has also reported that there is news going around in madinah that a family were getting out from a taxi. the adults got out first, but before the daughters (around 17/18 years old) managed to get out, the taxi drove off. it has been a few days and they still have not been found.

Where will we go?

[Drugmachine]

Is the rumour true? When I was in Makka some years ago I was told that a woman was sexually assaulted in the basement of the haraam. I did not know if this was true or false...but I found it very shocking and disillusioning.

i have a friend who is in umrah at the moment. just some of the things that happened to him...

he got hustled by a professional beggar RIGHT in front of the kabah. then the very next day he was with his cousin in front of the kabah and the same crook tried to hustle his cousin. when he realised my friend was there he actually ran away.

he mistakenly left £100 and some earphones in is clothes pocket and gave them to the laundry. when he realised he went back to the laundry only to be told that his pockets are empty.

he saw people talking on mobile phones as they were doing tawaf!

he has also reported that there is news going around in madinah that a family were getting out from a taxi. the adults got out first, but before the daughters (around 17/18 years old) managed to get out, the taxi drove off. it has been a few days and they still have not been found.

[flanna.kersting]

Azizye Masjid, i usually attend here in Hackney for tarawi, is mashallah brilliant. their sisters prayer hall is about 1 third of the size of the main hall. My youngest just turned three so my wife prays tarawi at home at present ...few years time inshallah when he's knocking 7-8 it'll be the whole family there for tararvi inshallah. (same goes for Eid salaah!)

[Paybeskf]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.

Assalaamu 'alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

I do agree with the honourable Imam Sahib. But the only thing I don't understand is why he would not favour people being in itikaf. Nabi Muhammad (Sallallahu 'alaihi wa Sallam) also enter in itikaf. So, not sure why the honourable Imam Sahib would not favour itikaf.

Jazakallahu khairan wassalaamu 'alaikum.

[seatlyled]

Yes, I'd also like to know if it's true or if it's a rumour. The news that's going round here in Madinah is that it was four young children from Dewsbury who were kidnapped from Madinah. No names though. Maybe it's just an exaggerated story. I would like to know if there's any truth to it though; my children roam around freely in the Haram and surrounding streets.

I do worry that if people cannot be trusted here in the blessed city of Madina then where can they be trusted? Having said that, we have something stolen from our pockets every time we are in the blessed city of Makkah.

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Argh these deobandies and their culturalism...

Correct me if I'm wrong but you guys say it is haraam for women to come to the masjid right?

[Metrujectiktus]

Correct me if I'm wrong but you guys say it is haraam for women to come to the masjid right?

that is incorrect, they deem it mukrooh (disliked) for women to attend the masjid due to the fitnah in our times, it also based on the opinions of some of the sahabas and this narration from Ummi Ayesha RA after the demise of RasoolAllah

Amrah bint Abdur Rahman narrates that she heard ‘Aisha (Radhiyallahu Anhu) the wife of Nabi (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) say, “If Rasulullah (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) were to see the condition of the women (of today), he would have verily prevented them from coming to the masjid how The Israelites women were preventing from coming to their place of worship. The narrators say, “I asked Amrah, were the Israilites women prevented form coming to the masjid?” She replied, “Yes”. (Sahih Muslim)

[ambientambien]

Sister UmHasan,

You should put a stop to that straight away. If you care to read the reports coming out of that country and the studies done you would know child sexual abuse is endemic...a quarter of Saudi children have been abused/raped by family/mahrems/cousins/teachers.
seriously not even teenage boys are safe since they are highly sought after in that society

[opdirorg]

Thanks Aram, so they dislike women going for prayers.

The prophet pbuh allowed it, never forbade it, encouraged women's participation etc, didn't express any dislike that is more than enough for me than thinking about suppositions.
Moreover I don't understand why some guys here are getting so excited about Imam Al Sudaisi's statement, he basically reiterated what the Prophet pbuh said that it is better for women to pray at home. It's not like the Imam now believes that it is makrouh.

[grizolsemn]

Thanks Aram, so they dislike women going for prayers.

The prophet pbuh allowed it, never forbade it, encouraged women's participation etc, didn't express any dislike that is more than enough for me than thinking about suppositions.
Moreover I don't understand why some guys here are getting so excited about Imam Al Sudaisi's statement, he basically reiterated what the Prophet pbuh said that it is better for women to pray at home. It's not like the Imam now believes that it is makrouh.

There were also conditions put on women going to masjids in the time of rasoolAllah to make sure there was no fitnah in the coming of women to masjids...for example women wearing perfume

Abu Hurayrah said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Any woman who has scented herself with bakhoor (incense), let her not attend ‘Ishaa’ prayers with us.”

nowadays women do much more than just wear perfume, they do not cover properly...they adorn themselves in beautiful clothes jewellery etc so the coming of women to masjids in our times has become a fitnah

[skupaemauto]

In many parts of the west the imams of the masajid are paving the way for the women to enter and make salaah or "get involved" in masjid activities.

[mussmicky]

I understand about the perfume bit though some sisters should also take care not to smell of food either... but beautiful clothes? melodramatic much? No one here wears beautiful clothes all the sisters wear jilbab or an abaya to the masjid.

[oronozopiy]

I understand about the perfume bit though some sisters should also take care not to smell of food either... but beautiful clothes? melodramatic much? No one here wears beautiful clothes all the sisters wear jilbab or an abaya to the masjid.

O ya jilbab abaya with all the fancy designs and colors and some even with bling on it. Whats that all about? Anyways women get more reward praying at home than masjid, but no, only a woman would leave the greater reward and settle for the less reward.

[SarSerceSaice]

I do not see the reason for this desire to attend the masjid. It is far more easier to pray at home. The masjid may provide some social and community activities but these can be done at other places also. Going to the masjid is a blessing, but women have been told they get the same rewards while praying at home.