[OwdBKKHO]

salaam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

http://sites.google.com/site/armyofmahdi/

is this true ? i found it intresting though few things were disturbing my mind

e.a arabs will fight the army of mehdi.

kindly visit the link , read and then reply.

http://sites.google.com/site/armyofmahdi/

Jazakallah Khair

[Oswczrdz]

Salaam brother.

My family are from the Pashtun area of Pakistan (Balochistan and the likes), and whilst I cannot speak for those Muslim brothers and sisters being oppressed in Afghanistan, I can say that in these areas of Pakistan, the Pashtun people are oppressing those of different castes, killing innocent people and have kicked many families out of their homes so that they can have an independant area of their own. So I am not entirely sure about the fact that Imam Mahdi and his army may be coming from there.

Also, I was of the opinion that Imam Mahdi will come from Constantinople (Istanbul, Turkey). I recently read that the city itself was built solely for the purpose of the arrival of the Imam. Allahu Alim, I suppose the only way we will find the truth is when the time comes.

[ApporpSothe]

Salaam brother.

My family are from the Pashtun area of Pakistan (Balochistan and the likes), and whilst I cannot speak for those Muslim brothers and sisters being oppressed in Afghanistan, I can say that in these areas of Pakistan, the Pashtun people are oppressing those of different castes, killing innocent people and have kicked many families out of their homes so that they can have an independant area of their own. So I am not entirely sure about the fact that Imam Mahdi and his army may be coming from there.

Also, I was of the opinion that Imam Mahdi will come from Constantinople (Istanbul, Turkey). I recently read that the city itself was built solely for the purpose of the arrival of the Imam. Allahu Alim, I suppose the only way we will find the truth is when the time comes.

sister did u read the hadith about khurasan ?

which areas comprise khurasan ?

plz make a search.

i have never come acrossed a post or website which states khurasan is turkey ,

all of them say its afghanistan with some parts of other countries like uzbekistan , some part of iran etc.

Greater Khorasan (Persian: خراسان باستان یا خراسان بزرگ) (also written Khurasan) is a historical geographic region spanning north-eastern Iran, north-western Afghanistan, and southern parts of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. The name "Khorasan" is derived from Middle Persian khor "sun" + ayan "out of", hence meaning "land where the sun rises".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Khorasan

[sesIgnose]

sister did u read the hadith about khurasan ?

which areas comprise khurasan ?

plz make a search.

i have never come acrossed a post or website which states khurasan is turkey ,

all of them say its afghanistan with some parts of other countries like uzbekistan , some part of iran etc.

Greater Khorasan (Persian: خراسان باستان یا خراسان بزرگ) (also written Khurasan) is a historical geographic region spanning north-eastern Iran, north-western Afghanistan, and southern parts of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. The name "Khorasan" is derived from Middle Persian khor "sun" + ayan "out of", hence meaning "land where the sun rises".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Khorasan

Salaam br. forgive me for my mistake if it is so, my knowledge is limited. I will try to inshallah find something to back up what I said.

[kathy]

Salaam br. forgive me for my mistake if it is so, my knowledge is limited. I will try to inshallah find something to back up what I said.

walakium as salaam sister

no need to say sorry .we r all at learning stage till we reach our graves.
my knowledge is limited too.

remember me in ur duas

Allah Hafiz

[twiffatticy]

Salaam br. forgive me for my mistake if it is so, my knowledge is limited. I will try to inshallah find something to back up what I said.

Perhaps you are referring to the Ahadith that mention that Mahdi will take Istanbul with his army, and, while going to take the booty, hears of the coming of Dajjal, because of which he will order a retreat?

[risyGreeple]

Salaam brother.

My family are from the Pashtun area of Pakistan (Balochistan and the likes), and whilst I cannot speak for those Muslim brothers and sisters being oppressed in Afghanistan, I can say that in these areas of Pakistan, the Pashtun people are oppressing those of different castes, killing innocent people and have kicked many families out of their homes so that they can have an independant area of their own. So I am not entirely sure about the fact that Imam Mahdi and his army may be coming from there.

Also, I was of the opinion that Imam Mahdi will come from Constantinople (Istanbul, Turkey). I recently read that the city itself was built solely for the purpose of the arrival of the Imam. Allahu Alim, I suppose the only way we will find the truth is when the time comes.

Though people don't want to admit it, there's a difference between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Whenever Pashtun tribalism or ethnocentrism rises above Islamic loyalty, bad things will happen. The situation on the Pakistani side of the border is lagging 10 years behind the Afghani side.

Also, the hadith mention Khorasan, which means Central Asia and Afghanistan.

[enentique]

NWFP is part of afghanistan.

i think it was later carved off from afghanistan by the british. refered to as the durand line.

[JNancy46]

Though people don't want to admit it, there's a difference between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Whenever Pashtun tribalism or ethnocentrism rises above Islamic loyalty, bad things will happen. The situation on the Pakistani side of the border is lagging 10 years behind the Afghani side.

Also, the hadith mention Khorasan, which means Central Asia and Afghanistan.

brother what do you mean by bold bit?

[Phywhewashect]

sister did u read the hadith about khurasan ?

which areas comprise khurasan ?

plz make a search.

i have never come acrossed a post or website which states khurasan is turkey ,

all of them say its afghanistan with some parts of other countries like uzbekistan , some part of iran etc.

Greater Khorasan (Persian: خراسان باستان یا خراسان بزرگ) (also written Khurasan) is a historical geographic region spanning north-eastern Iran, north-western Afghanistan, and southern parts of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. The name "Khorasan" is derived from Middle Persian khor "sun" + ayan "out of", hence meaning "land where the sun rises".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Khorasan

It is commonly held by Euopean historians that the Seljuks represent the first Turks who "migrated into" Muslim lands. A closer study of historical sources reveals that this view does not take into account the Turks who lived in greater Khurasan both before and after the Arab Conquests of the seventh and eighth centuries A : D
The Muslim Records are substantiated by ntoices in Byzantine, Syriac and Chinese records which refer to the Ephthalites and other peoples as Turks. The contents of various accounts of these Turks indicate that they were not merely mecenary soldiers, nor the ruling class, but formed an important part of the population of Khurasan and Tansoxania. The Muslim World
Volume 35, Issue 4, pages 308–315, October 1945


Abu Muslim was sent to Khorasan by the Abbasids initially as a propagandist and then to revolt on their behalf. On June 15th, 747 Abu Muslim hoisted the black banner and started the rebellion against the Umayyaden.

In the end, the oppressive Umayyad state, which was based on fanatic Arab superiority, perceiving non-Arab Muslims as mere slaves to be oppressed and humiliated all the time; which insulted those from the Prophet's family line and made disrespect against these people as a state policy; and which was never largely welcomed by Muslim community due to its despotic policies, was bound so vanish in the face of a revolting army, led by Abu Muslim al-Khorasani and comprising mostly of Turkish soldiers, commanders and people of the East. (750).

The Abbasid Chaliphate flourished for two centuries, but slowly went into decline with the rise to power of the Turkish army it had created, the Mamluks.

298/2"Soon black banners will come forward from Khurasan, if you see them then go to them even if you have to crawl over ice, for among them is Allah's khalifah, the Mahdi."

narrated by Thawban ra written in Ramuzul Ahadith by ABDUL'AZIZ BEKKINE



And Ibn Abi Shaybah, Nu'aym ibn Hammad in al-Fitan, Ibn Majah and Abu Nu'aym narrated from
Ibn Mas'ud [radhiyallahu 'anhu] that he said:
"Once we were with the Messenger of Allah [sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam], when a group of youths from Banu Hashim approached. When the Prophet [sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam] saw them, his eyes filled with tears and his colour changed.

He [i.e. Ibn Mas'ud] said: "I said: "We see in your face something that worries us." So he said:

Note: The descendants of Banu Hashim was involved in the Umayyad dynasty.

"We, the Ahl al-Bayt, are a people for whom Allah has chosen the hereafter over this world. And my household after me will face trials, banishment and pursuit, until a people from the east come with black banners, and they will ask for what is due, but not be given it. So they will fight and be victorious, and be given what they asked for. But they will not accept it from them until they hand it over to a man from my household, who will fill it [i.e. the earth] with equity, as they had filled it with tyranny. So whoever amongyou reaches that time, then let him go to them, even if he must crawl over ice, for he is the Mahdi."

This hadith is dealing with the holly relics and the banner uqab which is in the ownership of the turks. And it describes the circumstances at that time.




The black Banners Imam al Mahdi the Ottoman Empire and the Return of the Khalifate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoM9wioPDDQ

[Enliseell]

It is commonly held by Euopean historians that the Seljuks represent the first Turks who "migrated into" Muslim lands. A closer study of historical sources reveals that this view does not take into account the Turks who lived in greater Khurasan both before and after the Arab Conquests of the seventh and eighth centuries A : D
The Muslim Records are substantiated by ntoices in Byzantine, Syriac and Chinese records which refer to the Ephthalites and other peoples as Turks. The contents of various accounts of these Turks indicate that they were not merely mecenary soldiers, nor the ruling class, but formed an important part of the population of Khurasan and Tansoxania. The Muslim World
Volume 35, Issue 4, pages 308–315, October 1945


Abu Muslim was sent to Khorasan by the Abbasids initially as a propagandist and then to revolt on their behalf. On June 15th, 747 Abu Muslim hoisted the black banner and started the rebellion against the Umayyaden.

In the end, the oppressive Umayyad state, which was based on fanatic Arab superiority, perceiving non-Arab Muslims as mere slaves to be oppressed and humiliated all the time; which insulted those from the Prophet's family line and made disrespect against these people as a state policy; and which was never largely welcomed by Muslim community due to its despotic policies, was bound so vanish in the face of a revolting army, led by Abu Muslim al-Khorasani and comprising mostly of Turkish soldiers, commanders and people of the East. (750).

The Abbasid Chaliphate flourished for two centuries, but slowly went into decline with the rise to power of the Turkish army it had created, the Mamluks.

298/2"Soon black banners will come forward from Khurasan, if you see them then go to them even if you have to crawl over ice, for among them is Allah's khalifah, the Mahdi."

narrated by Thawban ra written in Ramuzul Ahadith by ABDUL'AZIZ BEKKINE



And Ibn Abi Shaybah, Nu'aym ibn Hammad in al-Fitan, Ibn Majah and Abu Nu'aym narrated from
Ibn Mas'ud [radhiyallahu 'anhu] that he said:
"Once we were with the Messenger of Allah [sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam], when a group of youths from Banu Hashim approached. When the Prophet [sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam] saw them, his eyes filled with tears and his colour changed.

He [i.e. Ibn Mas'ud] said: "I said: "We see in your face something that worries us." So he said:

Note: The descendants of Banu Hashim was involved in the Umayyad dynasty.

"We, the Ahl al-Bayt, are a people for whom Allah has chosen the hereafter over this world. And my household after me will face trials, banishment and pursuit, until a people from the east come with black banners, and they will ask for what is due, but not be given it. So they will fight and be victorious, and be given what they asked for. But they will not accept it from them until they hand it over to a man from my household, who will fill it [i.e. the earth] with equity, as they had filled it with tyranny. So whoever amongyou reaches that time, then let him go to them, even if he must crawl over ice, for he is the Mahdi."

This hadith is dealing with the holly relics and the banner uqab which is in the ownership of the turks. And it describes the circumstances at that time.




The black Banners Imam al Mahdi the Ottoman Empire and the Return of the Khalifate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoM9wioPDDQ

That was an interesting observation. Indeed a people from beyond east of Persia did move towards west of Turkey out of which later Ottomon empire emerged. So that does prove a korasan connection with Turkey already happening.

But the conclusion of the video was a bit unsettled. I don't see any firm point was made
beyond the relics being there in Turkey yet. We still need to know if this army of black flag has already run its course or is it going to again emerge and march to help Mahdi ? Or is it that we are in the post black flags era where army are only those left in Sham, Yemen and Iraq ? So now its just time to wait for Mahdi to emerge from Arabia and people will give bayat to Mahdi?

[Flerdourdyged]

brother what do you mean by bold bit?

it means the J!had there is in its infancy.

[CorpoRasion]

salaam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

http://sites.google.com/site/armyofmahdi/

is this true ? i found it intresting though few things were disturbing my mind

e.a arabs will fight the army of mehdi.

kindly visit the link , read and then reply.

http://sites.google.com/site/armyofmahdi/

Jazakallah Khair

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Narrated Hazrat Abu Huraira(R.A)"When great wars will occur,then Allah subhanahu wa ta ala will rise an Army from the Non Arabs who will be greater riders and will have better weapons than the Arabs. Allah subhahu wa ta ala will support Deen (Islam) by them" Sunan Ibn Majah Hadith 971,Page 778 volume 3.

1.these hadith do not refer to the black banners of the endtimes, because the black banners will only fight the sufyani in khorasan. Nothing else, this refers to the turks who established the abbasid chaliphate in bagdad in the year 747. And when the abbasid chaliphate become weak they established the sultanate and become later chaliphs about 500 years.

Thawban (R.A) reported that Dear Propet(salallaho alayhay wa sallam) said, “ Three people will fight for your treasure (and get killed).All three of them will be sons of a Ruler but none of them will get the treasure. Then Black Flags will appear from the East & will kill you as no one (in History) has killed you before. Then Dear Prophet(salallaho alayhay wa alay hesallam) said soemthing that I didn’t remember.Then again Dear Prophet(salallaho alayhay wa alay he sallam) said if you see him then give him your allegiance, even if you have to crawl over ice, because he is the Khalifah of Allah, the Mahdi.This Hadith is most Authentic(Saheeh) according to the conditions of Saheeh Bokhari & Saheeh Muslim.

2.These aslo refers to the abu muslim khurasani and his turkish forces. see my previous posts.

Note: a majority of people use this hadith and similar ones to the black banners of the endtiems and this is a huge mistake.

The 2nd attack on Mahdi will be by the Arab Army of Syria & will be devoured in Earth in Madinah city of Arabian Peninsula The 3rd Fight of Imam Mahdi’s followers will be with an Arab from Quraish 3.some arabs who support the sufyani. we also know the abdals of ash sham and iraq will join Imam al mahdi in large numbers when this army is swallowed by the earth. no need to speak about arabs in general

Also the two hadiths given under this qoutes refer to the same army which will swallowed by the earth, so its only one atack or fight.

Sign-5: They will be wearing Qutwani Cloaks

...QUTWANI CLOAKS (the clothes of Children of Israel), ... hadtih al Mahdi wearing QUTWANI CLOAKS

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace he upon him) saying: You have heard about a city the one side of which is in the land and the other is in the sea (Constantinople). They said: Allall's Messenger, yes. Therer upon he said: The Last Hour would not come unlesss seventy thousand[1] persons from Bani lshaq would attack it.
"... A man of average height, dark, with a light beard, thin at the side and long in the front; ... Who will be known as Shuayb ibn Salih. He will have white clothes, a black banner and 4000 people under his command ...**"

(Al-Fatawa al-Hadithiyyah, Abul Abbas Shahabuddin Ahmad Ibn Hajar al-Haytami -41)

Shuayb ibn Saleh has only 4000 people under his command. The leader of these black banners.

4.This hadith can also not only refer to the black banners of the endtimes.

this seventy thousand persons from bani ishaq is most likely the people from ash sham (the levant) who will join al mahdi in makkah in great numbers, 70 000 is not a exact figure is a great number.

So there is no connection with this qouted two hadiths and the people of Afghanistan.

Conclusion: Shuayb ibn Saleh will come from Khorasan, this is truth but the most hadith on this webpage do not refer to him. The Mahdi is not among them, they are not the only muslim army who will conquer constantinople but aslo people from ash sham (bani Ishaq), al hijaz and so on.

[smazibummigue]

That was an interesting observation. Indeed a people from beyond east of Persia did move towards west of Turkey out of which later Ottomon empire emerged. So that does prove a korasan connection with Turkey already happening.

But the conclusion of the video was a bit unsettled. I don't see any firm point was made
beyond the relics being there in Turkey yet. We still need to know if this army of black flag has already run its course or is it going to again emerge and march to help Mahdi ? Or is it that we are in the post black flags era where army are only those left in Sham, Yemen and Iraq ? So now its just time to wait for Mahdi to emerge from Arabia and people will give bayat to Mahdi?

I welcome you, most people can not accept this even if its quite clear.

The relics are housed in Topkapi Palace Istanbul, the banner in the video was sewn subsequently and contains fragments taken from the old banner. The old banner is not on show to the public.

This is the real old banner ukab.jpg



There are 3 black banners. the first has already emerged (todays turkey), the second and third banner will unite and come in the future from khorasan and will join al Mahdi in Mekkah when he appears there.