[foodselfdourileka]

One chilling capability possessed by US/Israel combine is the covert operation technology.

By its very nature it is something that we do not have the complete information about. Many years ago yours truly saw on CIA website that they do take up covert operations.

Then we have occasional spilling out of secret of an operation or another there. That is all.

Few years ago details about two British snipers, who were earlier posted in Afghanistan, were accidentally leaked. One of them had shot 43 people in Afghanistan.

Here US is worrying about more cans of worms getting opened.

Let us have, in this thread, an assessment of what we know about such things.

[gettoblaster]

One chilling capability possessed by US/Israel combine is the covert operation technology.

By its very nature it is something that we do not have the complete information about. Many years ago yours truly saw on CIA website that they do take up covert operations.

Then we have occasional spilling out of secret of an operation or another there. That is all.

Few years ago details about two British snipers, who were earlier posted in Afghanistan, were accidentally leaked. One of them had shot 43 people in Afghanistan.

Here US is worrying about more cans of worms getting opened.

Let us have, in this thread, an assessment of what we know about such things.

I posted this on another thread - just goes to show how low these people will stoop to. They will launch violence and attacks covertly then, another party will get the blame (which will get pushed through the media) and a new sectarian war begins. Classic divide and conquer strategy. Then you just have to manage both sides in the war and then allow the favoured party to win:

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I would also not put it past certain western security/intelligence agencies. A few years ago, although Iraqi's had their differences that erupted into conflict after Saddam, there were some areas in Iraq where violence did not spread until western forces and specialist operations troops came onto the ground there. I recall a well-known and documented incident near Basrah a few years ago, an incident where British special forces were captured after having fired on Iraqi's, shows to what extent these people are willing to cause fitnah and then blame it on Sunni/Shia tensions. The two special forces men were captured dressed-up as Arabs by Iraqi police before they could escape in a vehicle and were put into police custody. Weapons and remote-control explosive devices were found in their possession - the type used to blow people up while shopping in the market square etc which are then blamed on terrorists:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4264614.stm

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...bizarro-basra/

So alarming was their capture to the Ministry of Defence, it requested british media to avoid publishing their photo's released by Iraqi police. Shortly after, it sent tanks to knock-down the prison and surrounding compound in order to release them (without even consulting the new friendly Iraqi administration in Basrah). Fortunately, photo's do exist on some alternative news websites of the two men that were captured (these are the two men believed to be SAS who were out on a mission acting in the capacity of terrorists):

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...agedterror.htm

Here is another link if the one above did not work:

http://terroronthetube.co.uk/wp-cont...sra-712333.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005.../iraq.military[/URL]

Moral of the story? Like Arabs in the days of Lawrence of Arabia came to find out - DO NOT trust interference from outside as the goal and objectives of a Colonialist....sorry, a 'Democracy' loving nation is usually material wealth. Not that trade with them should be prohibited, rather their involvement on the ground should be limited, all of their actions carefully monitored etc. We need to sharpen-up in this regard. What's to say, USA and Israel in a few years decide to ditch the Gulf Arabs and Sunni nations like Pakistan and ally themselves with the Shia of Iran and some other groups in the region like Kurds, Turkmens etc??? It could happen, which is why Sunni's, particularly Arabs need to be careful - just like the West turned on Saddam so quickly, they could easily do the same with others. And lets face it, most of the oil in the middle-east is under areas heavily populated by Shia and Kurdish groups. Does not take a huge jump in imagination to see the West ditching Sunni's and turning on them for strategically important areas dominated by Shia's.

Now, factor in the Arab-Spring and what that could mean in the future for certain Sunni-led, Shia dominated countries if the US decide to back Shia - very little the Sunni's can do to stop it. The US/West know almost every week spot amongst us Sunni's due to our long relations.

Allahu A'lam

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After First Denying Involvement, US Forces Admit Killing Two Pregnant Afghan Women & Teenager

[Thigmaswams]

They have a long history of doing this. The Roman emperors used to do it. Using games and sport to distract people (known as bread and circuses). This is what rulers do. Pharaoh said about Musa (AS) he wants to rule over you....to fool the ruled into obeying Pharoah (do not listen to Musa (AS) he is just after power and leadership...stick with me (pharoah) and we can be safe).

More recently Operation Gladio is the name given to groups of NATO terrorist cells that committed terrorist acts in western European countries during their so called Cold War, they were blaming the Communists for the terrorism.

There is allot of evidence to suggest that both Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany were helped to rise in power by Wall Street and other ruling class elites. They create wars and enemies to further their own agenda. Wars serve many purposes, primarily people can be scared in war and many laws can be brought in where if there was no war they would not be able to easily. Wars also make profit.

see:

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler
http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-hitler.html

Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres10/SUTTONbolch.pdf


The war on terror could well be a elite devised war created to reshape the world and to gain greater control over it. Muslims caught up within it could just be pawns being used by these elites to achieve their objectives. If after 10 years of fighting and Muslims have still not got any decisive victory anywhere and riba is still 'halal' in any Muslim country we should know that it has been a phony war fighting for elite objectives. Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq all have central banks and a riba system in place...as long as these are there in every country it is ruled by the kuffar.

[gennnniiikk]

The war on terror could well be a elite devised war created to reshape the world and to gain greater control over it. Muslims caught up within it could just be pawns being used by these elites to achieve their objectives. If after 10 years of fighting and Muslims have still not got any decisive victory anywhere and riba is still 'halal' in any Muslim country we should know that it has been a phony war fighting for elite objectives. Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq all have central banks and a riba system in place...as long as these are there in every country it is ruled by the kuffar.

you are back with your propaganda and slander against the mujahideen and conspiracy theories. let me put these to bed again.

the Mujahideen did not envisage or even plan that within ten years Jerusalem would be won. how could it be when the war was designed to be prolonged so as to break american economy gradually by engaging it in multiple fronts?

your claim that wars benefit america was also rubbished last time we talked as proved by american nexus from both iraq and afghanistan.

here is further evidence to the contrary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ZPR...feature=relmfu

as for your riba halal theory let me tell you that in the islamic emirate of afghanistan (when they were in power) there were no banks and hence no riba. nor do they believe in any of that banking stuff.

as for your complaint that why riba is still legalized in all muslim countries then please tell me how is it the fault of the mujahideen? when they don't have control over the lands because of various factors (one being that Muslims who don't help them but spread propaganda about them thereby deterring others too) then how can they be accused of riba in secular run muslim countries?

have libya, afghanistan and iraq become completely under the control of mujahideen that you are accusing them?

as for US funding soviets and nazis: you can believe anything as long as there is no evidence. it is just as plausible as mujahideen being pawns in the hands of americans.

[fiettariaps]

I posted this on another thread - just goes to show how low these people will stoop to. They will launch violence and attacks covertly then, another party will get the blame (which will get pushed through the media) and a new sectarian war begins. Classic divide and conquer strategy. Then you just have to manage both sides in the war and then allow the favoured party to win:

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I would also not put it past certain western security/intelligence agencies. A few years ago, although Iraqi's had their differences that erupted into conflict after Saddam, there were some areas in Iraq where violence did not spread until western forces and specialist operations troops came onto the ground there. I recall a well-known and documented incident near Basrah a few years ago, an incident where British special forces were captured after having fired on Iraqi's, shows to what extent these people are willing to cause fitnah and then blame it on Sunni/Shia tensions. The two special forces men were captured dressed-up as Arabs by Iraqi police before they could escape in a vehicle and were put into police custody. Weapons and remote-control explosive devices were found in their possession - the type used to blow people up while shopping in the market square etc which are then blamed on terrorists:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4264614.stm

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...bizarro-basra/

So alarming was their capture to the Ministry of Defence, it requested british media to avoid publishing their photo's released by Iraqi police. Shortly after, it sent tanks to knock-down the prison and surrounding compound in order to release them (without even consulting the new friendly Iraqi administration in Basrah). Fortunately, photo's do exist on some alternative news websites of the two men that were captured (these are the two men believed to be SAS who were out on a mission acting in the capacity of terrorists):

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...agedterror.htm

Here is another link if the one above did not work:

http://terroronthetube.co.uk/wp-cont...sra-712333.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005.../iraq.military[/URL]

Moral of the story? Like Arabs in the days of Lawrence of Arabia came to find out - DO NOT trust interference from outside as the goal and objectives of a Colonialist....sorry, a 'Democracy' loving nation is usually material wealth. Not that trade with them should be prohibited, rather their involvement on the ground should be limited, all of their actions carefully monitored etc. We need to sharpen-up in this regard. What's to say, USA and Israel in a few years decide to ditch the Gulf Arabs and Sunni nations like Pakistan and ally themselves with the Shia of Iran and some other groups in the region like Kurds, Turkmens etc??? It could happen, which is why Sunni's, particularly Arabs need to be careful - just like the West turned on Saddam so quickly, they could easily do the same with others. And lets face it, most of the oil in the middle-east is under areas heavily populated by Shia and Kurdish groups. Does not take a huge jump in imagination to see the West ditching Sunni's and turning on them for strategically important areas dominated by Shia's.

Now, factor in the Arab-Spring and what that could mean in the future for certain Sunni-led, Shia dominated countries if the US decide to back Shia - very little the Sunni's can do to stop it. The US/West know almost every week spot amongst us Sunni's due to our long relations.

Allahu A'lam

Subhannallah, some of those links have had the image of the captured British special forces (terrorists) removed. Not surprised though, nice clean up of the past going on.

But the internet is a big place and the image of the two captured men exists on this site:

http://www.abbaswatchman.com/NEWS%20...IN%20IRAQ.html

Anyone in the UK recognise them two, I wonder how long those images will last before they are removed?

Allahu A'lam

[RokeIdeadioke]

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you are back with your propaganda and slander against the mujahideen and conspiracy theories. let me put these to bed again.

I have no wish to get in another argument with you, I do not think they want this thread to be hijacked as well. You have not laid any argument to bed...if you think you have you are mistaken. You think the mujahideen are strategically fighting a long war I do not. Throwing around the word 'conspiracy' is what elites do to shut people up. The 2 links I gave in my last post give documented evidence of how the ruling banking elites help to create enemies like the Bolsheviks and the Nazis, it is all there in black and white. The mujahideen might be caught up in a game where they are being played without their knowledge, just like many soldiers in the US and British armed forces think they are fighting for their country...they are just cannon fodder for the ruling elites.

After 9/11...America principally has invade 2 countries, it has created a civil war in Libya and continues to play a role in the Middle East...Everywhere they go they create a central bank and they might be weakening but Israel continues to remain powerful with oil and other commodities being supplied to them. It is obvious that there is no victory for Islam or Muslims anywhere. 10 years is a long time to fight....and Muslims are nowhere near a victory...this proves that the strategy is wrong.

[TZtrDuso]

Subhannallah, some of those links have had the image of the captured British special forces (terrorists) removed. Not surprised though, nice clean up of the past going on.

But the internet is a big place and the image of the two captured men exists on this site:

http://www.abbaswatchman.com/NEWS%20...IN%20IRAQ.html

Anyone in the UK recognise them two, I wonder how long those images will last before they are removed?

Allahu A'lam

Some very fishy stuff going on in the world. I was once shown some You Tube footage of a van full of people from Anjum Chauderys group in Britain...they were being protected by the British Police as they were shouting anti-British slogans. The footage was posted by a Islam hater who was suggesting that Muslims are enemies of Britain and yet the police still protects them (like the crazy guy in Norway who recently killed 75 people called Breivik believed). I suggested that Anjum chaudrey's group are MI5 or MI6 agent provocateurs....the you tube footage was certainly suggesting that this was the case...and the whole thread of the discussion was deleted by the BBC moderators. The BBC is also I think infiltrated by spies and agents.


Exclusive: How MI5 blackmails British Muslims
'Work for us or we will say you are a terrorist'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1688618.html


Anjem Choudry, MI5 & The Far Right – Whats The Connection?

http://hotterthanapileofcurry.wordpr...he-connection/


Anjem Choudary The Mi6 sponsored Munafiq (hypocrite) on FEAR Campaign For WAR
The reporter talks to people in the Lal Masjid in Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzID5iat7Ak

[movlabk]

One chilling capability possessed by US/Israel combine is the covert operation technology.

By its very nature it is something that we do not have the complete information about. Many years ago yours truly saw on CIA website that they do take up covert operations.

Then we have occasional spilling out of secret of an operation or another there. That is all.

Few years ago details about two British snipers, who were earlier posted in Afghanistan, were accidentally leaked. One of them had shot 43 people in Afghanistan.

Here US is worrying about more cans of worms getting opened.

Let us have, in this thread, an assessment of what we know about such things.

for bringing our focus on critical issues facing the Ummah- issues of life and death, preservation and prosperity of Deen, of which 'covert operations' directly affect.

For a disbelieving military operation to clandestinely invade a Muslim land, attack, kill, and kidnap/capture Muslim targets is a crisis- A CRISIS!!!!!!!


First, this issue of 'covert operations' exists in the Sunnah of the Prophet as addressed in the Holy Quran.

(4:71) Believers! Always be on your guard against encounters. Then (as circumstance demands) either advance in detachments or advance in a body.


When I read the book Muhammad as Military Leader when I first became Muslim, it opened my eyes to the genius, the mastery of statescraft of the Prophet :saaw:.

It also revealed that he understood the importance of retaining 'freedom from kufr', aka political authority for the Muslims and sovereignty for Allah alone.
Rahman's book was simple, but it revealed the practicality of how the Prophet included both almost continual conventional military patrolling of Muslim boundaries, as well as a sophisticated network of trusted intelligence sources, clandestine and formal sources. Hence, the Prophet had "sources" and assets among the enemies and in the boundary areas of the Darul Islam in order to ascertain immediate uptodate activites and events.

It is a reality of having a state and statecraft: a military and state must also have clandestine operations and operatives. It is reality of military science.

Hence, Prophet ordered various covert operations and missions against the enemies of Allah.
So believers should realize this matter of concern for the affairs of the Ummah, even in covert operations, IS a part of the Sunnah.



That being said, how should we look at things today?


A CIA analyst stated that in today's world of internet, satellite media, mass global communications, 80% of intel can be obtained from open, public, unsecure sources. Like the standard news media, internet websites, memoirs of politicans, etc.

The other 20% of intel?

One can speculate that the other 20% consists of actual code names and passcodes, operatives, actual plans and activities, are kept secret, or at least secure.


more later

[dushappeaps]

All this is common knowledge. Look up 'false flags'.