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09-04-2012, 03:56 AM
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 Aisha Bathing...
Is this proper for Ummul Muminin?
Sahih Muslim, Bk 3, Number 0626: Abu Salamab. 'Abd al−Rahman reported: I along with the foster brother of 'A'isha went to her and he asked about the bath of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) because of sexual intercourse. She called for a vessel equal to a Sa' and she took a bath. and there was a curtain between us and her. She poured water on her head thrice and he (Abu Salama) said: The wives of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) collectedhair on their heads and these lopped up to ears (and did rot go beyond that). |
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09-04-2012, 03:56 AM
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I want to be Sunni but is it real? She did it before Non-Mahrams? For God sake... Say i want to be a muslim. So what stands between you and islam is this single hadith. Nice joke! |
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09-04-2012, 03:56 AM
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Indeed very appropriate! you approve this indecent deed? |
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09-04-2012, 03:56 AM
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there was a curtain between them, back in those days the house was a single room & you would devide the house with curtains.
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09-04-2012, 03:56 AM
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brother afriki_haqq gave better explanations below
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l=1#post808870 |
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09-04-2012, 03:56 AM
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People who have legalized mutah are crying over this. Sounds nice.
The activity described in this hadis is so clear cut that only a blind (blindness of heart and not the sight) wont be able to see. |
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09-04-2012, 03:56 AM
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What is appropriate really? You use Islamic literature to override one of the most incontestable axioms of sunni faith and attempt to negate that which there is no ambiguities in the hearts of all sunni's - that Mother Aisha has been vindicated, her honor praised and her character excelled by Allah in his most precious gift to humankind - the Quran. Let me point to you that non-Muslims', kaffirs and mushriks employ similar methods - use Islamic literature and hadiths to prove the prophet s.a.s (forget Aisha r.a) as one of the vilest man on earth in ways more cunning than what this hadith can be protrayed to cause misinformation and seed confusions. And what they see as success revelling in what they see as great points is only their defeat as most Muslims counter-engage in more in-depth reaffirmation of the prophets greatness by learning more of him. For e.g. some ignoramuses use the fact that the prophet kissed very fondly hasan and hussein as signs of a pervese paraphilia which is prevalent in the alleging societies and not Muslim societies. Allah has inturn cursed their societies with several men and even religious leaders and priest with that pervesity. Similarlly Look now you and your fellowmen try to accuse the chastity and integrity of mother Aisha and Allah turns your religion and validates it to indiscrimately prostitute your women even for one night on 'religious grounds'. You just cause great distress to your own soul and will fatigue in your worthiless intentions. They make you a useless person in short. Why do you want to be a useless person? By the way, I am very liberal by this forum standards and am very pro shia-sunni unity. Most members on this forum will eat you alive with arguments that you will forget where to eat from - mouth or back passage. You better run away before some zalzalah falls and you lose your ability to reason. 
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09-04-2012, 03:56 AM
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I want to be Sunni but is it real? She did it before Non-Mahrams? For God sake... محمد بن يحيى، عن محمد بن أحمد، عن عمر بن علي بن عمر بن يزيد، عن عمه محمد بن محمد بن يحيى، عن محمد بن أحمد، عن عمر بن علي بن عمر بن يزيد، عن عمه محمد بن عمر، عن بعض من حدثه أن أبا جعفر (عليه السلام) كان يقول: من كان يؤمن بالله واليوم الآخر فلا يدخل الحمام إلا بمئزر، قال: فدخل ذات يوم الحمام فتنور فلما أنأطبقت النورة على بدنه ألقى المئزر فقال له مولى له: بأبي أنت وامي إنك لتوصينا بالمئزر ولزومه وقد ألقيته عن نفسك؟ فقال: أماعلمت أن النورة قد أطبقت العورة Abu Jafar(as) used to say: The one who have faith in Allah and the day of judgement should not enter the bathroom without Izaar/lungi(a traditional garment worn around the waist){i.e without any clothes}. Narrator says: one day he(as) entered the bathroom and applied (a kind of powder) something on his body. When he finished applying (a kind of powder) something on his complete body, he removed the Izaar. His slave said to him: May my parents be sacrificed for your preservation, didn’t you command us to wear the Izaar and now you removed the Izaar from you own? In reply to this he(as) said: Don’t you know that the private parts are covered by the powder.( Al furoo min al kafi , The Book of laws of Dresses, Beautifying and the ideal of Manhood (Kitab al-Zay wa alTajammul) VOL 6, PAGE 502 AND 503) |
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09-04-2012, 03:56 AM
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 Shias claim and allege that Ayesha[ra] did Ghusl (bath) infront of two men. Well, this is a home-made and wrong view of Shias. This is not only against the view of Salaf us Sualiheen but even against the Ijm’a. In following, we will be verifying this claim of Shias and after analyzing the facts, will establish the reality before you. It is reported in Sahi Bukhari : دَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي عَبْدُ الصَّمَدِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي شُعْبَةُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ حَفْصٍ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا سَلَمَةَ، يَقُولُ دَخَلْتُ أَنَا وَأَخُو، عَائِشَةَ عَلَى عَائِشَةَ فَسَأَلَهَا أَخُوهَا عَنْ غُسْلِ النَّبِيِّ، صلى الله عليه وسلم فَدَعَتْ بِإِنَاءٍ نَحْوًا مِنْ صَاعٍ، فَاغْتَسَلَتْ وَأَفَاضَتْ عَلَى رَأْسِهَا، وَبَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَهَا حِجَابٌ. قَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ قَالَ يَزِيدُ بْنُ هَارُونَ وَبَهْزٌ وَالْجُدِّيُّ عَنْ شُعْبَةَ قَدْرِ صَاعٍ Narrated Abu Salmah: Aisha’s brother and I went to Aisha and he asked her about the bath of the Prophet. She brought a pot containing about a Sa’ of water and took a bath and poured it over her head and at that time there was a screen between her and us. (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 251) From Sahi Muslim: Bk 3, Number 0626: Abu Salamab. ‘Abd al−Rahman reported: I along with the foster brother of ‘A’isha went to her and he asked about the bath of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) because of sexual intercourse. She called for a vessel equal to a Sa’ and she took a bath. and there was a curtain between us and her. She poured water on her head thrice and he (Abu Salama) said: The wives of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) collected hair on their heads and these lopped up to ears (and did not go beyond that). This Hadeeth has been included in the following books: - Nisai: 1/127, # 228 (Al-Sughra) ; 1/116, # 232 (Al-Kubra) - Musnad Ahmed: 6/71,72, # 24934 ; 6/143, # 25620 - Mustakhraj Sahih Muslim: 1/370, # 720 - Musnad Abu-Awana: 1/266,295 - Sunan AL-Kubra Al-Bahqhi: 1/195 Before understanding the meaning of this narration there are some important points to be noted: 1. During the time period of Sahaba(ra) there roused a confusion that could water equal to one pot(sa) be sufficient for Ghusl(bath)? So in the hadeeth in question, you will find that the questioners went to Ayesha(ra) to clear this confusion. 2. Here is the hadees from Sahi muslim: Sahi Muslim: Bk 3, Number 0626: Abu Salamab. ‘Abd al−Rahman reported: I along with the foster brother of ‘A’isha went to her and he asked about the bath of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) because of sexual intercourse. She called for a vessel equal to a Sa’ and she took a bath. and there was a curtain between us and her. She poured water on her head thrice and he (Abu Salama) said: The wives of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) collected hair on their heads and these lopped up to ears (and did not go beyond that). This hadeeth can be divided into two parts: (Part 1) That which was not visible (2) That which was visible. Part 1:… She called for a vessel equal to a Sa’ and she took a bath. and there was a curtain between us and her . Comment: This is part 1 which was NOT visible. This includes the bath, because there was a curtain between them. So it was not visible to the questioners. Part 2: …She poured water on her head thrice and he(Abu Salama)said: The wives of the Apostle(saw)collected hair on their heads and these lopped up to ears(and did not go beyond that). Comment: This is part 2, which was visible. This part of the narration is talking about what the questioners/students were able to see, and here we don’t find any mentioning of Ghusl(bath) of remaining body, But only the pouring off water on head. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT: The reason the questioner didn’t mention anything IN DETAIL regarding the bathing of body is because, he wasn’t able to see the body, as it was covered by the hijab(screen). That is why the questioner was only able to see the head(not the rest of the body), which he stated specifically. 3. Muhaddith Abu Awaana Al-Asfara’ani brought hadeeth in question, in the following chapter heading (tarjuma tul-baab): اب صفۃ الاوانی التی کان یغتسل منھا رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم وصفۃ غسل راسہ من الجنابۃ، دون سائر جسدہ۔ Translation: Chapter; Description about the utensils, Prophet[saww] used for bathing and description of the act of washing the head excluding the body during the bath of Janabah.(Sahih Abu Awana’a 1/248) Comment: So from this classification of the great muhaddis, we came to know that, questioners were only able to see the head of Ayesha(ra) not the rest of the body. 4. If the question would have been regarding the procedure for Ghul, then Ayesha(ra) would have said that verbally(without any demonstration). As we find from the hadeeth of Sahi Muslim, which is just after the hadeeth which Shias tried to misinterpret. Abu Salamah b. Abd al−Rahman narrated on the authority of A’isha that She said that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) took a bath, he started from the right hand and poured water over it and washed it, and then poured water on the impurity with the right band and washed it away with the help of the left hand. and after having removed it, he poured water on his head.(Sahi muslim, Bk 3, Number 0627) Comment: From this report we find that in order tell the procedure of Ghusl, Ayesha(ra) didn’t do Ghusl. Rather She just explained it verbally. Similar can be seen in another report: Narrated Aisha: Jumay’ ibn Umayr, one of the sons of Banu Taym Allah ibn Tha’labah, said: Accompanied by my mother and aunt I entered upon Aisha. One of them asked her: How did you do while taking a bath? Aisha replied: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) performed ablution (in the beginning) as he did for prayer. He then poured (water) upon his head three times. But we poured water upon our heads five times due to plaits. (Sunan abu dawood, Book 1, Number 0241) Comment: So even in this report we find that when questioners asked Ayesha(ra) regarding the procedure of Ghusl(bath), She didn’t demonstrate it, rather she just explained that verbally. 5. The reason why Ayesha(ra) took Ghusl being hidden behind the Hijab(being not visible and being covered) is because, the students/questioners were surprised regarding the quantity of water Prophet(Saw) used to take bath. They were curious to know that how could a bath be taken from so less water. That is why Ayesha(ra) called for a pot(sa’) of water and from that pot she took a bath(being hidden behind a screen and being covered). And from this she clarified that Prophet(saw) used take bath from that much water only. Imam Bukhari himself brought this hadeeth under the Chapter titled as, “باب الغسل (بالصاع) ونحوہ‘” (Ghusl should be made with one Sa’ of water) 6. It has been mentioned in both Sahi bukhari and Sahi Muslim that between the questioners and Ayesha(ra), there was Hijab(screen/curtain). It has been reported in an authentic report that Um Hani bint Abi Talib Said: I went to Allah’s Apostle in the year of the conquest of Mecca and found him taking a bath while Fatima was screening him. The Prophet asked, “Who is it?” I replied, “I am Um−Hani.” (Sahi bukhari 1.278) Comment: It must be clear before the readers that nothing, that was being screened was visible to Umm hani, otherwise what was the need for the screening? In another report of bukhari, its mentioned that: Narrated `Abdullah bin Hunain: `Abdullah bin Al−Abbas and Al−Miswar bin Makhrama differed at Al−Abwa’; Ibn `Abbas said that a Muhrim could wash his head; while Al−Miswar maintained that he should not do so. `Abdullah bin Abbas sent me to Abu Aiyub Al−Ansari and I found him bathing between the two wooden posts (of the well) and was screened with a sheet of cloth. I greeted him and he asked who I was. I replied, “I am `Abdullah bin Hunain and I have been sent to you by Ibn `Abbas to ask you how Allah’s Apostle used to wash his head while in the state of lhram.” Abu Aiyub Al−Ansari caught hold of the sheet of cloth and lowered it till his head appeared before me, and then told somebody to pour water on his head. He poured water on his head, and he (Abu Aiyub) rubbed his head with his hands by bringing them from back to front and from front to back and said, “I saw the Prophet doing like this.”(sahi bukhari 3.66) Comment: Here we find a similar scenario where a sahabi(companion) was taking bath behind the screen, and what is to be noticed is, that he was not able to see who was the questioner, so he asked him for the introduction. Moreover, the head of the sahabi only appeared when the screen(hijab) was lowered till the head appears, this shows that until there remains the screen, the body cannot be seen. Beware: Most of the times the religious slanderers insert the word “transparent/translucent” along with the word “screen” in order to portray that as though Ayesha(ra) was behind a transparent/translucent screen. These are home made fabrications of religious slanderers inorder to slander ayesha(ra). Anyone who has least common sense would imagine that why would a person even keep a transparent screen in their house, before the place where they take bath? Only religious slanderers with corrupted brains could imagine these filthy things. 7. One from the two persons who came was Ayesha(ra)’s foster brother Abdullah bin Yazeed al basri.(Alsaari AlQastalani, 1/317) Or foster brother Katheer bin ubaid alkufi.(Fath al bari , 1/365). Whereas, the other person was Abu salamah bin abdul rahman bin awf(ra) who was foster nephew of Ayesha(ra), because Aisha’s sister [(Bibi Umm Kulthoom(ra)]suckled Abu Salmah(ra).(Fath al bari, 1/365) . So from this information, it became evident that both of the questioners/students were not some unknown men, but rather they were Mahrams of Ayesha(ra). And in Islam there is not need to cover head, face, and hands from Mahrams. 8. Abdul rahman wrote that: Both the persons who came to Ayesha(ra) were Mahrams. Ayesha(ra) did the Ghusl having a hijab(screen) between them, And both of them only saw the head of Ayesha(ra) which a Mahram can see. But the portion of the body which must to be covered even from the Mahrams, was covered by the Hijab(screen) itself .(Fazl al bari, 2/428) 9. Allamah Badruddin Ainee writes in the commentary of this: Qazi Ayadh said: What is apparent from this hadeeth is, that both of them saw that portion of head and body during the Ghusl, which is allowed for the Mahram to see. Ayesha(ra) made the arrangements for the hijaab(screening) regarding the portion below the head and face, which is not allowed for the Mahram to see.(Sharah Sahi muslim, 1/1019-1026) 10. Imam Ibn hajar said: قال القاضي عياض : ظاهره أنهما رأيا عملها في رأسها وأعالي جسدها مما يحل نظره للمحرم ؛ لأنها خالة أبي سلمة من الرضاع أرضعته أختها أم كلثوم وإنما سترت أسافل بدنها مما لا يحل للمحرم النظر إليه قال : وإلا لم يكن لاغتسالها بحضرتهما معنى . وفي فعل عائشة دلالة على استحباب التعليم بالفعل ؛ لأنه أوقع في النفس ولما كان السؤال محتملا للكيفية والكمية ثبت لهما ما يدل على الأمرين معا : أما الكيفية فبالاقتصار على إفاضة الماء وأما الكمية فبالاكتفاء بالصاع . Al-Qadhi Iyadh said: We clearly see that they saw her head and the top of her body, which is halal(permisble) for a muhrim, because she is the aunt of Abi Salama from breastfeeding. Her sister, Um Kalthoom breastfed him, and she covered the part of her body that is haram(impermisble) to be seen by a muhrim, and if she didn’t (show her head) then there would be no reason to perform ghusul in front of them. And the actions of A’isha is evidence that teaching with actions is preferred, because it is easier to grasp, and when the question revolved around the quantity and the description, it became clear with two things: the description, was when she poured the water, which was sufficient, and the amount which was the saa’a. (Fath al bari) Thus, summarizing all the above facts, we came to a conclusion, that the questioners went to Ayesha(ra) only to know that, Is it true that one pot(sa) of water is sufficient to take Ghusl(bath)? Whereas, this hadeeth in NO way mentions that Ayesha(ra) showed to the questioners the Ghusl of complete body. Infact this hadeeth has NO RELATION to the PROCEDURE of Bath. The slander of Shias that Ayesha(ra) demonstrated Ghusl(bath) infront of men, is an apparent example of the filth filled in the mind of Shias, against mother of believers.  PS: MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD, QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED.
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