[werkeeque]

can someone correct me please. i am seriously confused. i have always been under the impression that the saudi family with the help of the british rebelled against the khilafah and where instrumental in the destruction of the khilafah.

is this true?

bruv

in a nutshell,yeah. Ive read abit about it and seen a few documentaries and what you posted is a good enough conclusion. Simple,yet concise. It was all about nationalism(arabs) and they could not bear being ruled over by non arabs(turks). Once the opportunity arose to dispose of the turks,they took it with both hands. He got the backing of some arab scholars that the turks were involved in shirk and thus they were not muslim and thus their blood and property were theirs(arabs,meaning they could kill them)(the turks) and take their property.

[mv37afnr]

Does Maulana Tariq Jameel sahib say this really? What does he mean when he states that it is not hikmah?

Yes he says this. And other knowledgeable people have mentioned it on this forum time and again that implementing Shariat on people who don't accept it from their hearts is not something good. Such a shariat will not be stable. We should try to change the people instead of imposing shariat on them.

[ExpodoDop]

bruv

in a nutshell,yeah. Ive read abit about it and seen a few documentaries and what you posted is a good enough conclusion. Simple,yet concise. It was all about nationalism(arabs) and they could not bear being ruled over by non arabs(turks). Once the opportunity arose to dispose of the turks,they took it with both hands. He got the backing of some arab scholars that the turks were involved in shirk and thus they were not muslim and thus their blood and property were theirs(arabs,meaning they could kill them)(the turks) and take their property.

Either I take your word for it, or I take Maulana Tariq Jameel's word. Last year before Hajj, Maulana said it infront of Masjid e Nabawi that Malik Abdul Aziz was a Waliullah.

I have no recording about this but I have witnesses.

So if Malik Abdul Aziz really did that, how can he be a Waliullah?

[UTHZzJ6f]

When did you see it?

Well at least some of it the last time I was there, a few years ago.

In reality these things go on throughout the Muslim world and not specifically in one place.

[Andrew1978]

Yes he says this. And other knowledgeable people have mentioned it on this forum time and again that implementing Shariat on people who don't accept it from their hearts is not something good. Such a shariat will not be stable. We should try to change the people instead of imposing shariat on them.

What if people's hearts never change? Should we forever and ever adopt an endless cycle of hikmah? Or do you implement what we are supposed to do sincerely then it is upto Allah Ta'ala to guide mankind. Allah Ta'ala will make it stable if our intentions are correct and it is in His Will.

Khair, I will remain silent on Maulana Tariq Jameel and hope that this is not what he literally meant. If he did May Allah Ta'ala guide us all. This reminds me of the story of the drunk who Imam Abu Hanifah saw and advised him to walk carefully. The drunk replied if I slip only I fall but if you slip the ummah slips.....!!

[freevideom]

Well at least some of it the last time I was there, a few years ago.

In reality these things go on throughout the Muslim world and not specifically in one place.

What did you see?

[dodadaxia]

how exactly did the saudis take over hijaz if the did not go against the khalifah then?

btw arab mujahideen (at least in afghanistan) cannot even bear to use the name saudi arabia. they still use the name hijaz and take offense when they hear saudi arabia.

[Pataacculakp]

What if people's hearts never change? Should we forever and ever adopt an endless cycle of hikmah? Or do you implement what we are supposed to do sincerely then it is upto Allah Ta'ala to guide mankind. Allah Ta'ala will make it stable if our intentions are correct and it is in His Will.

Khair, I will remain silent on Maulana Tariq Jameel and hope that this is not what he literally meant. If he did May Allah Ta'ala guide us all. This reminds me of the story of the drunk who Imam Abu Hanifah saw and advised him to walk carefully. The drunk replied if I slip only I fall but if you slip the ummah slips.....!!

Hazrat, mail me on my blog, ill send you the link to that audio.

[carlsberg21]

how exactly did the saudis take over hijaz if the did not go against the khalifah then?

btw arab mujahideen (at least in afghanistan) cannot even bear to use the name saudi arabia. they still use the name hijaz and take offense when they hear saudi arabia.

So why did Maulana say he was Waliullah?

[boizzones]

AslamoAlekum,

I think what is past we should let that alone and look at the presnet and where are we going. Each person has their own thoughts but we have no right to call any one wrong as the decison maker is Almighty Allah. We are living in a time of fitna where scholars are attacking each others by calling "Kaafir" which is a very strong word. And if you look at the scholars of past centuries they had differencies with each other but they never said that the other scholar is wrong and instead they accepted them as a better than themselves.

[tLO0hFNy]

how exactly did the saudis take over hijaz if the did not go against the khalifah then?

btw arab mujahideen (at least in afghanistan) cannot even bear to use the name saudi arabia. they still use the name hijaz and take offense when they hear saudi arabia.

The First Saudi State did in fact take over the Hejaz under the second Imam of the state. I don't know that the Second Saudi State even entered Ottoman territory, but they slaughtered them anyway, Allahu alim.

And look, the Ottomans were not exactly Walis- allowing the Bektashi 'tariqah' to exist at all is a grave offense against Tawhid.

But the Arab Revolt had nothing to do with Aal Sa'ud, it was Sharif Hussein and his cohorts- and that was really the last nail in the coffin of the Ottomans.

[Anfester]

AslamoAlekum,

I think what is past we should let that alone and look at the presnet and where are we going. Each person has their own thoughts but we have no right to call any one wrong as the decison maker is Almighty Allah.

So Firon was right in claiming to be Allah?

[errolespopume]

What did you see?

What was mentioned in post #14

[Neitteloxesia]

The First Saudi State did in fact take over the Hejaz under the second Imam of the state. I don't know that the Second Saudi State even entered Ottoman territory, but they slaughtered them anyway, Allahu alim.

And look, the Ottomans were not exactly Walis- allowing the Bektashi 'tariqah' to exist at all is a grave offense against Tawhid.

But the Arab Revolt had nothing to do with Aal Sa'ud, it was Sharif Hussein and his cohorts- and that was really the last nail in the coffin of the Ottomans.

If the ottoman's behaved to be a proper Khilafat, nobody would've dared take away anything from them, esp the Hijaz.

[N1bNXuDb]

how exactly did the saudis take over hijaz if the did not go against the khalifah then?

btw arab mujahideen (at least in afghanistan) cannot even bear to use the name saudi arabia. they still use the name hijaz and take offense when they hear saudi arabia.

The arabs hated beign ruled over by non arabs(turks). Brits wanted to topple/destabalize the ottomans. so they made a deal with the arab tribe leaders. and it is the descendants of those very same tribe leaders who are in charge today of the respected countries.

A fatwa was passed on the turks that they were involved in shirk and thus killing them was halal. mass slaughter took place. then those tribal leaders who had helped most were given the countries their descendants rule today. fake borders were erected to carve our these territories and thus,modern day middle east was born.

[wallyfindme]

What was mentioned in post #14

I'm asking you to explain what kind of Zulm did you see that made you sad?

[ebonytipchik]

So why did Maulana say he was Waliullah?

you will have to ask moulana.....and just because moulana said it, it does not mean he cannot be mistaken. i am not even asking if malik abdul aziz was a wali of Allah. i am asking how they took over hijaz from the khalifah. can you answer that please?

[Plonnikas]

The arabs hated beign ruled over by non arabs(turks). Brits wanted to topple/destabalize the ottomans. so they made a deal with the arab tribe leaders. and it is the descendants of those very same tribe leaders who are in charge today of the respected countries.

It was king Abdul Aziz who is claimed to be a Big Waliullah by Maulana Tariq Jameel. So are you right or he's right?

[nasxbrtyol]

It was king Abdul Aziz who is claimed to be a Big Waliullah by Maulana Tariq Jameel. So are you right or he's right?

is it impossible for moulana tariq jamal to make mistakes?

[HaroTaure]

If the ottoman's behaved to be a proper Khilafat, nobody would've dared take away anything from them, esp the Hijaz.

it was about arab nationalism and the arab tribes were bitter and angry at being ruled by non arabs(turks).