[PlanTaleks]

Couple of things

Last time I checked Brits never took slaves from Zanzibar but rather Arabs took slaves from East Africa and Zanzibar was the Slave capital and Omani sultan moved his capital from Muscat to Zanzibar. So historically there has been an intermarriage between Omanis and Africans in the East African coast and Zanzibar in particular.

Brits went there to stop slavery and the shortest recorded war in the world was fought there between the Sultan and the Brits in which the sultan surrendered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanzibar

no they took slaves to the Natal province before slavery was abolished. however before the Omanis reached Zanzibar the Hadhramis dropped off sunni Islam.

[Frdsdx26]

no they took slaves to the Natal province before slavery was abolished. however before the Omanis reached Zanzibar the Hadhramis dropped off sunni Islam.

You might be right.

That does not negate the premise of the thread

[glazgoR@]

Salaam

Black magic is a serious problem, and its not just in one country but the whole world. This practices is gradually being increased behind the scenes and they even have schools to learn this practice. I dont know of a single Pakistani family that is not affected by this evil. May Allah protect us from this evil, ameen

For help against black magic please visit http://www.ruqyashariyah.org/forum/

[Toscoropreark]

Asalaam alaikum

Does anyone know why there is a widespread shirk in the Sultanate of Oman?

I've triedto ask some relatives who live there but none has come up with a clear answer as to why Omani's (not all) are obsessed with having jinns and all sorts of stuff that would be associated with black magic/ shirk

wasalaam

[Indian Butt Magic]

Asalaam alaikum

Does anyone know why there is a widespread shirk in the Sultanate of Oman?

I've triedto ask some relatives who live there but none has come up with a clear answer as to why Omani's (not all) are obsessed with having jinns and all sorts of stuff that would be associated with black magic/ shirk

wasalaam

Since you are not in Oman and your family can't verify your claims, what evidence do you have of this widespread accusation of shirk against "most" Omanis?

[KhJOHbTM]

Since you are not in Oman and your family can't verify your claims, what evidence do you have of this widespread accusation of shirk against "most" Omanis?

Family friends are not comfortable giving out reasons for this practise but they acknowledge its deeply rooted in the Omani society to the level of obsession

I hope this did not offend you

[Crazykz]

Magic is not shirk. Just because in materialist obsessed societys you don't often hear of them doesn't mean the same is the case in traditional society's.

[MADwanker]

Asalaam alaikum

Does anyone know why there is a widespread shirk in the Sultanate of Oman?

I've triedto ask some relatives who live there but none has come up with a clear answer as to why Omani's (not all) are obsessed with having jinns and all sorts of stuff that would be associated with black magic/ shirk

wasalaam

Majority there are Ibadis who among other things do not believe that Qur'an are the words of Allah (SW). That said, I've heard Oman is a popular destination in the Middle East for those who like to do all sorts of shirks with jinns that many households have.

Personally relying on Jinns or otherwise to solve your problems instead of Allah (SW) is shirk

[lXvtm0ox]

Stop taking religion from salafis and learn it from real scholars. This foolish topic wouldnt exist then.

[Yswxomvy]

Family friends are not comfortable giving out reasons for this practise but they acknowledge its deeply rooted in the Omani society to the level of obsession

I hope this did not offend you

I am offended that you so freely throw out an accusation against millions of Muslims.
You are declaring most Omanis ( not all) of committing shirk. And with respect to your family, I don't see why I should accept them as a reliable source on condemning all of Oman to shirk?

By laying out such an accusation, you are inevidably declaring kufr on 100s of 1000s of people based solely on your family's observations. Have you thought through your words and their consequences?

[fabrizioitwloch]

Majority of Oman is Ibadi which is separate from Sunni and Shi'a. They for example pray with their hands by their side and "shock".... - don't perform Takbir Tahreema - they never raise their hands during the prayer.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadi

[htDgExh8]

Majority of Oman is Ibadi which is separate from Sunni and Shi'a. They for example pray with their hands by their side and "shock".... - don't perform Takbir Tahreema - they never raise their hands during the prayer.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadi

yes they are ibadi but praying with your hands on your side doesnt make you less of a muslim ask the malikis. also takbir tahreemah is not an action but rukun qawli so you not raising your hands in takbeer you saying takbir. all raising of hands in salah is sunnah & if you dont do it it will not make your salah batil.

[QHdy5Z3A]

Oman is well known in the khaleej for these sorta things, even an Omani friend confirmed it for me, but you will find many Muslims around the world who believe in similar superstitions. I'm not surprised at lay jahil people but when religious people accommodate these beliefs ..it leaves one scratching heir head in disbelief. I'm talking about the belief in Chahel kaaf many people have in this forum.

[kasandrasikl]

Oman is well known in the khaleej for these sorta things, even an Omani friend confirmed it for me, but you will find many Muslims around the world who believe in similar superstitions. I'm not surprised at lay jahil people but when religious people accommodate these beliefs ..it leaves one scratching heir head in disbelief. I'm talking about the belief in Chahel kaaf many people have in this forum.

Accomodate what? He barely mentioned any thing except magic which he exaggerated and claimed it is shirk. Magic is a reality not a superstition. Its is forbidden but not shirk. So until you point out what exactly your even reffering to as superstition that is rampant among Omanis, its meaningless to continue having these forms of "I heard" arguments. I have seen plenty of Omanis and find them more religious and disciplined than others.

[UFJon]

Accomodate what? He barely mentioned any thing except magic which he exaggerated and claimed it is shirk. Magic is a reality not a superstition. Its is forbidden but not shirk. So until you point out what exactly your even reffering to as superstition that is rampant among Omanis, its meaningless to continue having these forms of "I heard" arguments. I have seen plenty of Omanis and find them more religious and disciplined than others.

of course magic is shirk, aoudhu billah why are you defending magic?

[alex_loudermilk]

of course magic is shirk, aoudhu billah why are you defending magic?

Your admittedly a salafi. There is no point discussing with you on this since you follow a new definition of shirk discovered in 18th century. Besides salafis, no one has ever claimed magic is shirk just like that. That's why I mentioned to not take religion from salafis. If the accussations are based on salafi notions, then everything is shirk to them anyway and it has always been this way. So no big news that someone declared Omanis are mushriks now, nor is their opinion even worthy of any consideration.

[Marat]

Your admittedly a salafi. There is no point discussing with you on this since you follow a new definition of shirk discovered in 18th century. Besides salafis, no one has ever claimed magic is shirk just like that. That's why I mentioned to not take religion from salafis. If the accussations are based on salafi notions, then everything is shirk to them anyway and it has always been this way. So no big news that someone declared Omanis are mushriks now, nor is their opinion even worthy of any consideration.

uh so your arguement is that salafis say it and therefore its wrong?

If your telling me that sufis dont consider magic as shirk then astagfirullah no wonder it has such a bad reputation

You really love to hang on to hindu islam to the extent taht even magic doesnt atke you out of the fold of islam. Astagfirullah



Quran : Tafsir Ibn Kathir : Surah List : Surah No.2
[Note: Please read the Quranic Ayah @ end of the Previous page, before reading it's tafseer in this page]
Learning Magic is Kufr



Allah said,

(But neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, "We are for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us).)

Abu Ja`far Ar-Razi said that Ar-Rabi' bin Anas said that Qays bin `Abbad said that Ibn `Abbas said, "When someone came to the angels to learn magic, they would discourage him and say to him, `We are only a test, so do not fall into disbelief.' They had knowledge of what is good and evil and what constitutes belief or disbelief, and they thus knew that magic is a form of disbelief. When the person who came to learn magic still insisted on learning it, they commanded him to go to such and such place, where if he went, Satan would meet him and teach him magic. When this man would learn magic, the light (of faith) would depart him, and he would see it shining (and flying away) in the sky. He would then proclaim, `O my sorrow! Woe unto me! What should I do.'' Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that this Ayah means, "The angels were sent with magic, so that the people whom Allah willed would be tried and tested. Allah made them promise that they would not teach anyone until first proclaiming, `We are a test for you, do not fall into disbelief.''' It was recorded by Ibn Abi Hatim. Also, Qatadah said, "Allah took their covenant to not teach anyone magic until they said, `We are a test. Therefore, do not fall in disbelief.'''

Also, As-Suddi said, "When a man would come to the two angels they would advise him, `Do not fall into disbelief. We are a test. ' When the man would ignore their advice, they would say, `Go to that pile of ashes and urinate on it.' When he would urinate on the ashes, a light, meaning the light of faith, would depart from him and would shine until it entered heaven. Then something black that appeared to be smoke would descend and enter his ears and the rest of his body, and this is Allah's anger. When he told the angels what happened, they would teach him magic. So Allah's statement,

(But neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, "We are for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us).)

Sunayd said that Hajjaj said that Ibn Jurayj commented on this Ayah (2:102), "No one dares practice magic except a disbeliever. As for the Fitnah, it involves trials and freedom of choice.''The scholars who stated that learning magic is disbelief relied on this Ayah for evidence. They also mentioned the Hadith that Abu Bakr Al-Bazzar recorded from `Abdullah, which states,

(Whoever came to a soothsayer or a sorcerer and believed in what he said, will have disbelieved in what Allah revealed to Muhammad .)

This Hadith has an authentic chain of narration and there are other Hadiths which support it.

[Joesred]

Q123. Isn't magic a reality? People affected with magic and possession find their cure with Babas and at Durgahs. Isn't this a proof of their being on the truth?
Answer.
1.Magic is Real

It has become popular in today's times to find many people denying the existence of Magic. But the Qur'an confirms the existence of magic. The Qur'an says in Surah Al- Baqara 2:102
"They (the Jews) followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men magic, and such things as came down at Babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew!"
The Qur'an does confirm that magic does exist. With magic various kind of acts can be performed which in normal course are considered beyond human power. But indulging in Magic is among the biggest sins in the sight of Allah. As Allah says in this verse "the buyers of magic shall have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter" which means no share in Paradise. The explanation of the verse is that the Jews who used to follow magic used to justify it by saying that it was taught by Suleman(pbuh). Allah says it was not Suleman who did Kufr by teaching magic it was the devils who did Kufr by teaching magic. This again points out the grave sin in magic that Allah calls teaching it as Kufr (rejection). Further Allah says that the Angels Harut and Marut were also sent down at Babylon to test those people. They would teach men some magic but would say before doing that "We are only for trial; so do not do Kufr." Hence knowing magic is also Kufr.

2.Magic can harm only if Allah wills so
In the verse a very important fact is pointed out "But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission." Hence even with magic a person can cause harm only if Allah allows a person to get harmed. If Allah does not will that the person should get harmed then even with the whole world trying to harm the person cannot harm him. Just as if somebody wants to harm another person with a knife. He will not be able to harm him unless Allah allows it to be happened. When a person gets affected with magic it is as a test for him and his family members.

3.How does magic happen
Allah informs us in the Quran that along with the human creation there is another parallel creation with free will like humans called the Jinns(51:56). The Jinns like men can either believe in Allah and follow the right way or disbelieve in Allah and follow the wrong path. Hence even among them there are Believers and Disbelievers (72:1-15). However these Jinns are not like humans in their physical aspects. They cannot be seen by the humans and they have been given by Allah the power to do some things which cannot be even percieved by many humans. The example given in the Quran of their ability is that ohe Ifreet (big Jinn) who said to Suleman(pbuh) "Said an Ifrit, of the Jinns: I will bring it to thee before thou rise from thy council: indeed I have full strength for the purpose, and may be trusted."(27:39)
In magic various forms of acts can be performed with the help of these Jinns. The believers among the Jinns don't do such acts as it cof tnstitutes 'Zulm' (oppression) on a human. However the disbelievers among the Jinns do such acts. Another act done at times by these disbelievers among Jinns is that they take possession of the body of a human. This is called by various names among people. All of this does happen. Even science realises that it does not have an explanation of everything that happens in this world.

4.The Cure
There are broadly speaking two methods of curing a person of Magic and Possession:

1. a)The bad effects of the Jinn or possession of the body by the Jinn is removed by taking the help of another Jinn. This is expressly made Haraam in the Quran and the Sunnah. Allah says in Surah Jinn 72:6
"True, there were persons among mankind who took help with persons among the Jinns, but they increased them in folly."
Allah has aid and we believe in it that whoever takes any help from any Jinn for whatever purpose they will increase the seeker of such help in "Dalalah" ie misguidance. Also because taking such help involves doing acts of Shirk and Kufr in order to please the helping Jinn. For example we find today people reading certain Zikr and doing sacrifice for the pleasure of certain Jinns.
b) The Jinn can also be removed by confirming Shirk in its presence. When the Jinn is satisfied with the Shirk and Kufr of the person and his family members he leaves the victim. By doing this the faith in Shirk and Kufr of the people doing it gets confirmed as they see the good results of it.
Today there are many Babas among Muslims and Non Muslims who are reputed to be very successful in curing people of Magic and Possession. Also such cures are found at many Durgahs,Mandirs and Christian healing sessions. The method used by all of these is one of the two above a or b. However by doing this a person is actually selling his life of the Hereafter for the comfort of this life.

2. The guideline of the beloved Prophet Muhammed(SAW)
Indeed the best guidelines are the guidelines of Muhammed(SAW). He has shown us the way of safeguarding and curing ourselves from such harms. If going to Durgahs and doing Sijdah over there and eating foods offered to other than Allah was the solution he would have told us. On the contrary according to the guidelines of the Prophet all this is "Shirk".
Firstly the person should shield himself and seek Allah's help during both prevention and the cure with the words of Allah as is proven from the authentic hadiths.
a. Saying "A'oozobillaahi minash-Shaiytanir-Rajeem"(7:200 , 16:98)

b. The Mu'aawdhataan(Surah Falaq 113 , Surah Nas 114).
"Allah's messenger(SAW) used to seek refuge from the Jinns until the Mu'aawdhataan(Surah Falaq 113 , Surah Nas 114) were revealed. When they were revealed, he used them and left all besides them"(Tirmizi – Declared Hasan Ghareeb by Albani in Saheeh al Jaami vol 4 : p 255)

c. Ayatul Kursi (2:255)
Sahih Muslim vol 2: no 1768 Allah's Messenger(SAW) confirmed that the verse of Allah's Book is the greatest relative to men is the Ayatul Kursi.
Sahih Bukhari vol 9 no 530 It was confirmed by Allah's Messenger(SAW) that whenever a person goes to sleep and reads Aayatul Kursi from beginning to end. If he does so, a guardian from Allah will always be with him and Satan will not come near him until the morning.

d. Last two verses of Surah Baqara 2 :285-286
"When the last two verses of Soorah Baqara are read in a home for three consecutive nights the shaitan will not come near it" (Tirmizi authenticated by Albani in Saheeh al Jaami vol2: p 123)

e. Adhaan
Sahih Bukhari vol1: no 582 Allah's Messenger(SAW) said " When the Adhaan is made Satan runs away and breaks wind to drown it out

f. Surah Fatiha
Abu Dawood vol 3 no 3892 A sahabi read Surah Fatiha to cure a person possessed by a Jinn
These are some of the Azkaar (Remembrances) to be read while doing exorcism (Removing the Jinn out of the person).

Secondly the Jinn needs to be admonished and told to leave the persons body. This is in the spirit of "Enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong". The Jinn needs to be told to fear Allah and the Day of Resurrection and should be told not to do oppression by continueing to harm the person affected. If the Jinn is disobedient and rebellious some blows can also be given to the person possessed. In this case the blows don't fall on the person being hit. All this is proven from the example of Allah's Messenger (SAW).

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[Peapeuddedbaw]

Accomodate what? He barely mentioned any thing except magic which he exaggerated and claimed it is shirk. Magic is a reality not a superstition. Its is forbidden but not shirk. So until you point out what exactly your even reffering to as superstition that is rampant among Omanis, its meaningless to continue having these forms of "I heard" arguments. I have seen plenty of Omanis and find them more religious and disciplined than others.

I can forgive the OP for not being straight and clear with the way he started the thread but that still does not negate the fact that some here are defending magic and superstition as not shirk.

He actually mentioned ''NOT ALL'' Omanis are into this black magic and witchcraft. Yet, its known around the gulf how Oman is 'famous' for witchcraft. I doubt anyone will confess publicly they are into that stuff and some Omanis are likely to single out those from Bahla and Dhofar especially have been known to dwell in the dark arts.

Moving on to local superstitions, I remember there was a youtube video in which showed a an old woman was standing on Al Haffa Beach in Salalah chanting to the crashing waves of the ocean while her 'helper' was down on his knees in the water slaughtering a goat...yup, people there make sacrifices to the sea when it gets rough. In Salalah, many people continue to make such sacrifices when the monsoon starts in order to protect the town and our fishermen.

Furthermore, superstitious people from the mountains of Dhofar also make sacrifices to water springs when they dry up in hopes of hearing the sound of gushing water again....and I've seen many Omani families burn frankincense at sunrise and sunset in order to ward off evil spirits, black eyeliner is often applied to new-borns to protect them from the evil eye, and naturally, black cats are believed to be associated with demons. Oman is full of superstitions – that's for sure – even though there is no place for superstitions in Islam.


We cant pile on thread starter while we clearly have a problem mainly from Ibadis who DO NOT believe that Qu'an are the words of Allah(SW)

[AAAESLLESO]

uh so your arguement is that salafis say it and therefore its wrong?

If your telling me that sufis dont consider magic as shirk then astagfirullah no wonder it has such a bad reputation

You really love to hang on to hindu islam to the extent taht even magic doesnt atke you out of the fold of islam. Astagfirullah



Quran : Tafsir Ibn Kathir : Surah List : Surah No.2
[Note: Please read the Quranic Ayah @ end of the Previous page, before reading it's tafseer in this page]
Learning Magic is Kufr



Allah said,

(But neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, "We are for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us).)

Abu Ja`far Ar-Razi said that Ar-Rabi' bin Anas said that Qays bin `Abbad said that Ibn `Abbas said, "When someone came to the angels to learn magic, they would discourage him and say to him, `We are only a test, so do not fall into disbelief.' They had knowledge of what is good and evil and what constitutes belief or disbelief, and they thus knew that magic is a form of disbelief. When the person who came to learn magic still insisted on learning it, they commanded him to go to such and such place, where if he went, Satan would meet him and teach him magic. When this man would learn magic, the light (of faith) would depart him, and he would see it shining (and flying away) in the sky. He would then proclaim, `O my sorrow! Woe unto me! What should I do.'' Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that this Ayah means, "The angels were sent with magic, so that the people whom Allah willed would be tried and tested. Allah made them promise that they would not teach anyone until first proclaiming, `We are a test for you, do not fall into disbelief.''' It was recorded by Ibn Abi Hatim. Also, Qatadah said, "Allah took their covenant to not teach anyone magic until they said, `We are a test. Therefore, do not fall in disbelief.'''

Also, As-Suddi said, "When a man would come to the two angels they would advise him, `Do not fall into disbelief. We are a test. ' When the man would ignore their advice, they would say, `Go to that pile of ashes and urinate on it.' When he would urinate on the ashes, a light, meaning the light of faith, would depart from him and would shine until it entered heaven. Then something black that appeared to be smoke would descend and enter his ears and the rest of his body, and this is Allah's anger. When he told the angels what happened, they would teach him magic. So Allah's statement,

(But neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, "We are for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us).)

Sunayd said that Hajjaj said that Ibn Jurayj commented on this Ayah (2:102), "No one dares practice magic except a disbeliever. As for the Fitnah, it involves trials and freedom of choice.''The scholars who stated that learning magic is disbelief relied on this Ayah for evidence. They also mentioned the Hadith that Abu Bakr Al-Bazzar recorded from `Abdullah, which states,

(Whoever came to a soothsayer or a sorcerer and believed in what he said, will have disbelieved in what Allah revealed to Muhammad .)

This Hadith has an authentic chain of narration and there are other Hadiths which support it.

Your a typical salafi. You don't even know the difference bebetween kufr and shirk. And you also dont even know the in-depth details on the types of seeking help of jinn and which one constitutes kufr and which does not. Copy paste all you want. And Im not going to bother breaking my head to make you understand that. Great Ramadan indeed declaring Omanis as mushriks.