[mynaflzak]

This is the father of the new Ikhwan that all other Middle East try to emulate

he has managed to beat the Kuffar at their own game by using soft power

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen

I cant hate him

[Finanziamento]

I used to read The Fountain Magazine years ago, but after he started promoting democracy and equality of all religions I was put off.

[layevymed]

... but after he started promoting democracy and equality of all religions I was put off.

I have read a lot of the articles on his official website and what you wrote is correct. His articles made me want to throw up. Fethullah Gülen is a hardcore Secularist/Modernist at best.

[seervezex]

I used to read The Fountain Magazine years ago, but after he started promoting democracy and equality of all religions I was put
off.

he does promote his particular view of democracy

he definitely does not say that any religion is as good as Islam

[HootSnori]

I have read a lot of the articles on his official website and what you wrote is correct. His articles made me want to throw up. Fethullah Gülen is a hardcore Secularist/Modernist at best.

he is a modernist of sorts

he also promotes a certain view of secularism

but I think you have the wrong impression of him, he is not what you think


however,

In the Turkish situation his influence has been very beneficial but you don't have to believe that.

but where they have opened a beardless Gulen school in Pakistan this was very unfortunate.


read more that he has written and what has been written about him before you judge him

[FelixQY]

What if there IS a global attempt to manufacture a reform movement in Islam to be compatible with a unIslamic political ideology which happens to dominate the world?


To add to these Baig's observations, I am inclined to draw an IDEOLOGICAL LINK between America's political ideological influence over both Christianity and Judaism and the consequental emergence of a reconstructed version of Islam.
To no surprise, it has been prophecized that Muslims would follow previous generations into degenerate misguidance:

Abu Said Al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allah (saws) said: "You will surely follow in the ways of those before you, span by span and cubit by cubit, so much so that if they were to enter an iguana's hole, you would follow after them." We said, "O Messenger of Allah, do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Then, who else?" In another hadith of Imam Tirmidhi's Sunan it is reported on the authority of Abdullah Ibn Amr that the Prophet of Allah (saws) further said, "If there was a person among them who went unto his mother publicly, there will also appear some in my Ummah who will do the same."


It can be ascertained that ONE VIRULENT STRAIN OF ISLAMIC MODERNISM or Islamic Reformism was initiated largely at a ‘Religious’ level with the emergence of interfaith Dialogue.

Then it manifested in political and legal affairs, specifically the fatwa permitting participation in kufr politics and the Fiqh of Minorities.

But while its original founders may have wished to keep the barn door closed on everything else, it has been opened anyways. Social reformism is a major emphasis of deviant elements and has given rise to multiple fronts: gay rights, feminism, marital restructuring, and more. I have personally had to argue with a ‘modernist’ who exclaimed that Muslim women can marry Christian men based on deviant interpretations of Quranic text. And of course, the now infamous gay Daiyee AbdulLiwat, the gay chaplain who marries men who pretend to be Muslim in America. And this trend is growing in throughout the world.



One of the fundamental bases of a reconstructed Islam is the usuli (mis)concept of Fiqhul Aqaliyat: Fiqh of Minorities.

Fiqh of Minorities emerged from the Alzhari trained scholar Tahir Jabr al Alwani with association with Al Azhari trained Ismail Faruqi. Faruqi preceded al Alwani when he concieved the concepts of 'Abrahim Tradition and Interfaith Dialogue' in the early 1980s, almost as a precursor. Faruqi was later murdered in 1986 (may Allah forgive him). But Faruqi and al Alwani’s legacy would live on in their think tank:

IIIT “International Institute of Islamic Thought”.

IIIT is one of the influential sources of this ISLAMIC MODERNISM. To note, it's founders Faruqi and al Alwani have stretched their influences in many other regions of the Muslim world through IIIT in particular.
Some of its important fellows and cohorts include Anwar Ibrahim important political activist from Malaysia, Abdul Hamid Suliman, rector of Islamic University of Malaysia, Abdur Rahman al Amoudi, founder of American Muslim Council, Louay Safi, founder of CSID (Center for Study of Islam and Democracy) and former director of ISNA, among many others.

It should be noted that while I have not documented how, this Islamic modernism has spread beyond just Malaysia. Fethullah Gulen became a major proponent of Ismail Faruqi's theory of Interfaith Dialogue and al Alwani's adoption of participation in secular politics. In the early 1990s, Gulen's movement in Turkey grew in political influence until a Gulen protege first became PM, Erbakan, in 1997. While he was overthrown by a nonviolent coup, Erdogan, another Gulen protege, would go on further than Erbakan and sustain his political role.

How much of a role did IIIT play in shaping the Gulen movement's ideas of politics, secularism, etc?
What role has this modernism played in shaping Turkey today?



It can be said that the Gulen movement is alleged to have connections within the CIA, as CIA official Fuller protected Fethullah Gulen from extradition/deportation to Turkey. And Gulen has had connections with Ishak Alaton, a wealthy Jewish Turk with major businesses in Central Asia. And that the CIA coordinated support for the Gulen movement in Central Asia to counter Iranian Shiite influence. Turkey's "Islamist" influence in Central Asia has really been through the spread of its Gulenist style movement. And it is no secret that America, from SecState Baker to Obama, have encouraged the Muslim world to follow the Turkish model, intimating support for the Gulen movement.


(Gulen resides in the Pocono mountains in northeast Pennsylvania- about 3 hours from Washington DC)


As for al Alwani and al Faruqi, these two trained scholars founded IIIT, and Al Alwani went on to found the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA). FCNA has since contributed to the founding of European Fiqh Council. Al Alwani has since founded his own university: Cordoba university located in Virginia just outside of Washington DC. Since then, and despite the more restrained urgings of Al Alwani regarding the use of his usuli principles, several Muslim leaders have taken his opened door and pushed it wider. He has also opened doors from America to the Muslim world.

I want to stop there and make a statement:

This is not new information. It is public info and known to deceiving and diabolical disbelievers in America. But I wanted to share it here to show that not only is there a reform movement being promoted, but in many ways, it started or gained fruition in America and has spread to Malaysia, Turkey, and more countries.

How much of this is 'reform' and how much is actual reform?

Is this part of the gradualsim methodology of the MB?

Do certain players play the game of nations (eg. work with CIA) in order to advance their own game?

Allah knows best.

[HonestSean]

Interesting. I wonder about this too.

[AOE6q4bu]

What if there IS a global attempt to manufacture a reform movement in Islam to be compatible with a unIslamic political ideology which happens to dominate the world?


To add to these Baig's observations, I am inclined to draw an IDEOLOGICAL LINK between America's political ideological influence over both Christianity and Judaism and the consequental emergence of a reconstructed version of Islam.
To no surprise, it has been prophecized that Muslims would follow previous generations into degenerate misguidance:

Abu Said Al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allah (saws) said: "You will surely follow in the ways of those before you, span by span and cubit by cubit, so much so that if they were to enter an iguana's hole, you would follow after them." We said, "O Messenger of Allah, do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Then, who else?" In another hadith of Imam Tirmidhi's Sunan it is reported on the authority of Abdullah Ibn Amr that the Prophet of Allah (saws) further said, "If there was a person among them who went unto his mother publicly, there will also appear some in my Ummah who will do the same."


It can be ascertained that ONE VIRULENT STRAIN OF ISLAMIC MODERNISM or Islamic Reformism was initiated largely at a ‘Religious’ level with the emergence of interfaith Dialogue.

Then it manifested in political and legal affairs, specifically the fatwa permitting participation in kufr politics and the Fiqh of Minorities.

But while its original founders may have wished to keep the barn door closed on everything else, it has been opened anyways. Social reformism is a major emphasis of deviant elements and has given rise to multiple fronts: gay rights, feminism, marital restructuring, and more. I have personally had to argue with a ‘modernist’ who exclaimed that Muslim women can marry Christian men based on deviant interpretations of Quranic text. And of course, the now infamous gay Daiyee AbdulLiwat, the gay chaplain who marries men who pretend to be Muslim in America. And this trend is growing in throughout the world.



One of the fundamental bases of a reconstructed Islam is the usuli (mis)concept of Fiqhul Aqaliyat: Fiqh of Minorities.

Fiqh of Minorities emerged from the Alzhari trained scholar Tahir Jabr al Alwani with association with Al Azhari trained Ismail Faruqi. Faruqi preceded al Alwani when he concieved the concepts of 'Abrahim Tradition and Interfaith Dialogue' in the early 1980s, almost as a precursor. Faruqi was later murdered in 1986 (may Allah forgive him). But Faruqi and al Alwani’s legacy would live on in their think tank:

IIIT “International Institute of Islamic Thought”.

IIIT is one of the influential sources of this ISLAMIC MODERNISM. To note, it's founders Faruqi and al Alwani have stretched their influences in many other regions of the Muslim world through IIIT in particular.
Some of its important fellows and cohorts include Anwar Ibrahim important political activist from Malaysia, Abdul Hamid Suliman, rector of Islamic University of Malaysia, Abdur Rahman al Amoudi, founder of American Muslim Council, Louay Safi, founder of CSID (Center for Study of Islam and Democracy) and former director of ISNA, among many others.

It should be noted that while I have not documented how, this Islamic modernism has spread beyond just Malaysia. Fethullah Gulen became a major proponent of Ismail Faruqi's theory of Interfaith Dialogue and al Alwani's adoption of participation in secular politics. In the early 1990s, Gulen's movement in Turkey grew in political influence until a Gulen protege first became PM, Erbakan, in 1997. While he was overthrown by a nonviolent coup, Erdogan, another Gulen protege, would go on further than Erbakan and sustain his political role.

How much of a role did IIIT play in shaping the Gulen movement's ideas of politics, secularism, etc?
What role has this modernism played in shaping Turkey today?



It can be said that the Gulen movement is alleged to have connections within the CIA, as CIA official Fuller protected Fethullah Gulen from extradition/deportation to Turkey. And Gulen has had connections with Ishak Alaton, a wealthy Jewish Turk with major businesses in Central Asia. And that the CIA coordinated support for the Gulen movement in Central Asia to counter Iranian Shiite influence. Turkey's "Islamist" influence in Central Asia has really been through the spread of its Gulenist style movement. And it is no secret that America, from SecState Baker to Obama, have encouraged the Muslim world to follow the Turkish model, intimating support for the Gulen movement.


(Gulen resides in the Pocono mountains in northeast Pennsylvania- about 3 hours from Washington DC)


As for al Alwani and al Faruqi, these two trained scholars founded IIIT, and Al Alwani went on to found the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA). FCNA has since contributed to the founding of European Fiqh Council. Al Alwani has since founded his own university: Cordoba university located in Virginia just outside of Washington DC. Since then, and despite the more restrained urgings of Al Alwani regarding the use of his usuli principles, several Muslim leaders have taken his opened door and pushed it wider. He has also opened doors from America to the Muslim world.

I want to stop there and make a statement:

This is not new information. It is public info and known to deceiving and diabolical disbelievers in America. But I wanted to share it here to show that not only is there a reform movement being promoted, but in many ways, it started or gained fruition in America and has spread to Malaysia, Turkey, and more countries.

How much of this is 'reform' and how much is actual reform?

Is this part of the gradualsim methodology of the MB?

Do certain players play the game of nations (eg. work with CIA) in order to advance their own game?

Allah knows best.

this is one of the most interesting posts I have seen for a long time.

Gulen Movement & MB both know how to play politics - this may lead to unusual alliances. People should not be shocked at this.

Don't forget that Saladin Ayyubi got a job with the very same Fatimid dynasty at one time who he would later eradicate, what I am saying by this is that people should not read too much into the alliances of politics, they are marriages of convenience and nothing more. When the sands shift, the cards are reshuffled and everything may change.

[capeAngedlelp]

Lots of info brother Usama.

[Mark_NyB]

In 1999, Turkish television aired footage of Gülen delivering sermons to a crowd of followers in which he revealed his aspirations for an Islamist Turkey ruled by Shari‘a (Islamic law) as well as the methods that should be used to attain that goal. In the sermons, he said:

You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers … until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere, like in the tragedies in Algeria, like in 1982 [in] Syria … like in the yearly disasters and tragedies in Egypt. The time is not yet right. You must wait for the time when you are complete and conditions are ripe, until we can shoulder the entire world and carry it … You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the constitutional institutions in Turkey … Until that time, any step taken would be too early—like breaking an egg without waiting the full forty days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside. The work to be done is [in] confronting the world. Now, I have expressed my feelings and thoughts to you all—in confidence … trusting your loyalty and secrecy. I know that when you leave here—[just] as you discard your empty juice boxes, you must discard the thoughts and the feelings that I expressed here.


nuffsaid.

[QzVyZbTg]

In 1999, Turkish television aired footage of Gülen delivering sermons to a crowd of followers in which he revealed his aspirations for an Islamist Turkey ruled by Shari‘a (Islamic law) as well as the methods that should be used to attain that goal. In the sermons, he said:

You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers … until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere, like in the tragedies in Algeria, like in 1982 [in] Syria … like in the yearly disasters and tragedies in Egypt. The time is not yet right. You must wait for the time when you are complete and conditions are ripe, until we can shoulder the entire world and carry it … You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the constitutional institutions in Turkey … Until that time, any step taken would be too early—like breaking an egg without waiting the full forty days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside. The work to be done is [in] confronting the world. Now, I have expressed my feelings and thoughts to you all—in confidence … trusting your loyalty and secrecy. I know that when you leave here—[just] as you discard your empty juice boxes, you must discard the thoughts and the feelings that I expressed here.


nuffsaid.

I can't see how any of that is from the Prophetic way. Hiding one's religiousness alltogether, shaving beards off, not wearing hijabs etc. (and a brother who used to be in Gülen's movement told me that they were told not to associate with "religious" people and that they could pray in the bathrooms at work, so no one would see them pray etc. I find that whole ideology disgusting.

[Bill-Watson]

I can't see how any of that is from the Prophetic way. Hiding one's religiousness alltogether, shaving beards off, not wearing hijabs etc. (and a brother who used to be in Gülen's movement told me that they were told not to associate with "religious" people and that they could pray in the bathrooms at work, so no one would see them pray etc. I find that whole ideology disgusting.

also none of the scholars who endeavored to bring Shariah into power, attempted this.