[fedordzen]

Asalaam-alaykum everyone.

I am planning on getting a dog for guarding purposes and have done thorough research regarding there suitability within Islam.

Now i am going to be very honest here and say a lot of the information available on websites, books etc is all very contradictory to the point it could be misleading to a very naive mind. Now in the Quran from what i have read the word dog is used 5 times, and nothing bad has been said about them. Where as in the hadith, certain quotes have been taken completely out of context by some websites and scholars; apparently it is stated all dogs should be killed etc, i could go on...

I am in no way someone who knows every single thing about Islam, no one is. There is always room for more knowledge, but one thing has stuck out from all my research and findings about dogs and Islam. I have asked a few Mufti's and none of them can get back to me with an answer, which i find a bit strange...

~My question is, if a dog is permissible for hunting purposes; surely when the dog catches the prey saliva will go on the animal. Now if the saliva of a dog is SO impure and 'dirty' how are we allowed to eat what it catches? Apparently a dogs saliva is suppose to be ''more impure than a pigs and has alot more germs and diseases'' This has confused me an awful lot. I would be really grateful if someone could give me an answer regarding this.

And for anyone who thinks 'you can remove the skin' this is not a valid statement to make, skin has pores, the saliva from the dog can penetrate the skin thus releasing the germs inside the animal. Aside from that, some if not most dogs will slightly pierce the skin of the animal when they catch it because of there sharp teeth. Saliva will contaminate the meat hunted.

My brain is currently in overload with all the information i am trying to absorb. I don't want to get a dog if i will be needing to give it away, it wont be fair on either of us. I feel i have read a few websites i shouldn't have read that have taken things completely out of context. I suppose it has 'polluted' my mind in a way.

Anyways, that is all i wanted to ask.

Jazak-Allah Khair,
Wasalaam. Alisha.

[geaveheadeNox]

As far as I know you can keep a dog for guarding purposes. However depending on where you live and your house type, you will have to keep it outdoors, and make sure it does not disturb any close neighbours. You therefore need to give it somewhere reasonably comfortable outdoors a decent kennel or shed, and you will also need to give it plenty of exercise running around freely somewhere, not just kept in a small yard for days and days.

When a hunting dog brings back the dead animal, it is thoroughly cleaned before it is eaten. In some cultures abandoned dogs can run wild and be a nuisance, they can spread disease, and this may explain why they are disliked.

[StampNews]

the hunted animal is cleaned, I suppose even if the saliva reaches the meat and pores it can still be washed just like a container can be washed after the dogs saliva having been in it.
there will probably be different interpretations depending on the mufti so fatwa shopping will confuse you even more.

correct me if I'm wrong.

[lzwha]

As far as I know you can keep a dog for guarding purposes. However depending on where you live and your house type, you will have to keep it outdoors, and make sure it does not disturb any close neighbours. You therefore need to give it somewhere reasonably comfortable outdoors a decent kennel or shed, and you will also need to give it plenty of exercise running around freely somewhere, not just kept in a small yard for days and days.

Yes i know how to take care of dogs, plenty of research and i have kept pets all my life lol

When a hunting dog brings back the dead animal, it is thoroughly cleaned before it is eaten. In some cultures abandoned dogs can run wild and be a nuisance, they can spread disease, and this may explain why they are disliked.

Surely if 'all dogs carry rabies' it will infect the hunted prey thus contaminating it and passing it onto who ever eats it, rabies is difficult to remove. So even if it is thoroughly clean technically the disease will still be there.

@abdul12345 Fatwa shopping? As in asking various scholars a question until i hear an answer i like?? Erm no, i have no intention of using a dog for hunting i am just curious why there are so many contra-dictory answers everywhere. The answers i was looking for regarding the general keeping of a dog i have already got.

This matter is just too confusing, how do you know who to believe? I am so confused :/

[ñàéäèíã]

Yes i know how to take care of dogs, plenty of research and i have kept pets all my life lol So you have a suitable home Alhamdu lillah. Not everyone who keeps animals necessarily care for them appropriately, even leaving a barking and frustrated dog tied up in a yard all day is cruel and goes on all the time in the UK. I was not implying that you would be cruel just trying to post on a public forum what I have learnt about the rulings with regards to dogs, anyone else reading this thread might pick something up.

Surely if 'all dogs carry rabies' it will infect the hunted prey thus contaminating it and passing it onto who ever eats it, rabies is difficult to remove. So even if it is thoroughly clean technically the disease will still be there. A rabid dog would not be used in a hunt would it? I do not know how rabies symptoms come about...would the dog be normal and then later show symptoms of rabies? In any case we could in theory be killing and eating a sick animal (whether it is killed by a dog or not) so there is a small chance of getting ill from eating a sick animal. This does not mean Islam bans eating all meat, even if there is a small chance that you could eat a sick animal and get sick yourself. So dogs hunting and killing animals for us to eat will usually be safe to eat.

[squicscor]

So you have a suitable home Alhamdu lillah. Not everyone who keeps animals necessarily care for them appropriately, even leaving a barking and frustrated dog tied up in a yard all day is cruel and goes on all the time in the UK. I was not implying that you would be cruel just trying to post on a public forum what I have learnt about the rulings with regards to dogs, anyone else reading this thread might pick something up.



A rabid dog would not be used in a hunt would it? I do not know how rabies symptoms come about...would the dog be normal and then later show symptoms of rabies? In any case we could in theory be killing and eating a sick animal (whether it is killed by a dog or not) so there is a small chance of getting ill from eating a sick animal. This does not mean Islam bans eating all meat, even if there is a small chance that you could eat a sick animal and get sick yourself. So dogs hunting and killing animals for us to eat will usually be safe to eat.

Yeh sorry, i think i probarbly came across like i was shouting there. Not how it should have come across. I know what you mean. Dogs are very intelligent animals they need stimulation to make them happy.

I think whats confusing me the most is reading various opinions. The fact that some scholars say a dogs saliva is more impure than a pigs yet is still suitable to be used for hunting? I don't get that, its frustrating me. May Allah forgive me if i am dwelling too much into this.

I also just read when in contact with the impure saliva a washing machine is comparable to 7 water washes and 1 soil wash. Matter of opinion ofcourse, but how do we know who to believe and go by. Do we just research one scholar and go with what they say? Whilst following the Quran and hadith obvs.

Jazak Allah.

[Attarderb]

Asalaam-alaykum everyone.

I am planning on getting a dog for guarding purposes and have done thorough research regarding there suitability within Islam.

Now i am going to be very honest here and say a lot of the information available on websites, books etc is all very contradictory to the point it could be misleading to a very naive mind. Now in the Quran from what i have read the word dog is used 5 times, and nothing bad has been said about them. Where as in the hadith, certain quotes have been taken completely out of context by some websites and scholars; apparently it is stated all dogs should be killed etc, i could go on...

I am in no way someone who knows every single thing about Islam, no one is. There is always room for more knowledge, but one thing has stuck out from all my research and findings about dogs and Islam. I have asked a few Mufti's and none of them can get back to me with an answer, which i find a bit strange...

~My question is, if a dog is permissible for hunting purposes; surely when the dog catches the prey saliva will go on the animal. Now if the saliva of a dog is SO impure and 'dirty' how are we allowed to eat what it catches? Apparently a dogs saliva is suppose to be ''more impure than a pigs and has alot more germs and diseases'' This has confused me an awful lot. I would be really grateful if someone could give me an answer regarding this.

And for anyone who thinks 'you can remove the skin' this is not a valid statement to make, skin has pores, the saliva from the dog can penetrate the skin thus releasing the germs inside the animal. Aside from that, some if not most dogs will slightly pierce the skin of the animal when they catch it because of there sharp teeth. Saliva will contaminate the meat hunted.

My brain is currently in overload with all the information i am trying to absorb. I don't want to get a dog if i will be needing to give it away, it wont be fair on either of us. I feel i have read a few websites i shouldn't have read that have taken things completely out of context. I suppose it has 'polluted' my mind in a way.

Anyways, that is all i wanted to ask.

Jazak-Allah Khair,
Wasalaam. Alisha.

dog is pure in Maliki madhab

http://abodeofmercy.wordpress.com/category/dogs/

[vesiasmepay]

This topic constantly comes up and is ridiculous.

The dog is not a cursed animal and no authenticated Hadith claims for the ummah to massacre this creation. Be mindful if making false statements regarding Hadith and what scholars say. You clearly love dogs but as Muslims we do not treat the animal as mans best friend.

The dog can be used for hunting purposes if needed to, use some common knowledge. If a dog picks up an animal in no shape way or form is the killed animal haram. The animal cleaned and cooked to ensure cleanliness

You cannot keep a dog as a pet inside your house or outside, it must serve a purpose. We do not share our food and let these animals lick our mouths and share our foods like other religions.

We have over twenty dogs in Jamaica all guard dogs that serve a purpose to protect our farm area and livestock.

Stop reading nonsense on the Internet

Dogs are not shaitanic
Dogs do not see or hear jinn
Dogs are not cursed

These are traditions believed by various Muslims in south Asia