[QXCharles]

When Sunni Forum experience is no longer Sunni or Sunnah.



Please add to the thread or correct it inshAllah.

1. When you look at your own posts and initiated threads more than you look at others, re-read them disproportionately and feel self-important about your input. When you log out immediately after posting so that people dont think you are self-obsessed with your input/thread even though you are one of the guest members viewing the thread/post.
2. When you seek respect and superiority or feel you deserve them if many people have commended positively in the past about your inputs on sunni forum
3. When you spend too much excessive time on the forum when the same information could be read in a short time and you could move on with other more beneficial things.
4. When you like as some brother's mentioned use too many 'I' in one of the threads and make things about yourself
5. When it interferes with punctuality in prayers, quality of prayers and even zikr time or Quran time. Then you better suspend yourself from it. Knowledge/ilm is the intention of many on sunni forum - no.1 its not the best source of knowledge. No.2 knowledge is only beneficial to the extent that it increases your taqwa and worship of Allah. If it is not doing that like how prayer and zikr invariably benefit sinners and the righteous- it is of no use.
6. When sarcasm is employed - its not the way of the Sunnah
7. When division and sectarianism is emphasized over unity amongst Muslim groups. A very common trait in sunni forum.
8. When you open too many threads it might not be a good sign. Limit what you have to say in already existant relevant threads.
9. When harshness in criticism is viewed favorably. It was not the way of nabi s.a.s. Even if used towards the completely deviated muslim minds and viewed as a regulatory measure to overpower the perceived deviant for his views. The prophet always overpowered the misguided- the proud and the meek, ignorant or knowledgeable - with hikmah and not harshness. Even when the kharijite man stood up to criticize the prophet s.a.s about his justice - the prophet didnt show harshness. Quran purified nabi s.a.s with many verses about harshness.
10. When scholars are criticized unrespectfully
11. When good occassional humor is not appreciated
12. When you naturally feel you are always and definitely right and unwilling to analyse other's posts and ideas.
13. When you post without due thought about the topic you are posting and do so simply for ego-fulfilling needs.
14. When the thread becomes a to and fro argumentative session completely out of tangent to the topic it specifically addresses
15. When the holiness of ramadhan is not respected and worse the last ten nights. It's a shame that alot of completely useless posts occured in ramadhan. We are all guilty of that apart from some obvious members who took a break from it. Maybe moderators really need to consider suspending SF during ramadhan or create a sub-forum where only taqwa/worship related items are discussed. Politics, economics and other wordly affairs should be minimized.
16. When the idea of an Islamic union is not made a top priority.
17. When you start typing for a post and the post gets longer and longer. Then take a break before you have submitted it and say is most of what I am typing is this really relevant or will benefit the Muslims? Concision is the way of nabi s.a.s and Muslims should make tremendous effort for concision.
18. When compliments are not made about brothers and sisters. In some cases this is apparent but in some cases this is not.Beautiful titles should be employed for each other. The prophet had inconceivable praises for his companions and titled them with excellent titles.
19. When you start developing a dislike for a user without knowing him/her just for some criticism he/she levelled on you. The untamed Ego is easily provoked and irritated by criticism/insults/allegations. The believer has tamed his ego and his mind overrides the ego and his manners manifest that in such circumstances. An anecdote - in the local mosque I went for iftar every evening. We have an excellent sahaba-like algerian brother - strong, bearded, frank, candid and the most self-sacrificing. He prepared meals from 2-5.30 everyday for ramadhan without pay. Some brothers occassionally help with cleaning the plates and dishes and sometimes he does it himself. Once I was with him incidentally at the wash-basin and my low-level self asked in a soft-polite acting manner 'brother do you want me to help you with the dishes'. He looked at me and said candidly without any harshness. "Brother if you really wanted to help you would say let me do the washing and not ask me in such a way. What am I supposed to say as a Muslim to your question. No brother its ok I will do it." I looked at him and first thought why is he acting like this when I am just asking him nicely. Although I felt irritated inside for a while I really ended up self-reflecting and absorbed that precious advise. If you want to do the dishes then take the soap and dish washer and start doing it. So that is the way of the sunnah of the sahaba's. Dont dislike people for criticism. Develop self-reflection and you will see many criticism will better you.

Please add on how we can better ourselves and make sunni forum into a true authentic sunnahforum and not a time wasting experience.

[VastDrura]

[Stop looking up to and referring to AO and HY and insha'Allah you'll get somewhere... I'm thoroughly annoyed by references to a smoke-show that calls for Islamic unity among Turks as opposed to the entire ummah - taking opportunity after opportunity to set themselves somehow above and better than others (ironic how they themselves keep talking about social Darwinism); but more importantly, opposes helping other Muslims (not so much in those words but by suggesting the solution does not lie in helping those in need but in the unification of Turks) - especially our Palestinian brothers and sisters keep coming up in the not-so-lovely show... now why is that? What is up with that? The HY call for patience is not aimed at the brothers and sisters who are suffering from oppression but it is aimed at those who may want to help! In other words - be patient, don't rush in to help... just unite for now. Dangerous this is, dangerous indeed. The deceptive ways of the smoke-show cronies keep morphing on this forum but remain... deceptive. Every so often, a 'member' with a few years under their belt pops up and then disappears into a hole again. The latest is version who-knows-what but each version gets sneakier and sneakier it would seem, until the heat gets turned up to a breaking-point... Seriously, what is going on here? (rhetorical questions - don't answer, eh!)]

Yup, get sucked into this every time. Last? Insha'Allah.

[edit: how many of your points did I violate? - not rhetorical at all.]

[Dokescoonse]

When you look at your own posts and initiated threads more than you look at others, re-read them disproportionately and feel self-important about your input. When you log out immediately after posting so that people dont think you are self-obsessed with your input/thread even though you are one of the guest members viewing the thread/post.

When you seek respect and superiority or feel you deserve them if many people have commended positively in the past about your inputs on sunni forum

When you spend too much excessive time on the forum when the same information could be read in a short time and you could move on with other more beneficial things.

When you like as some brother's mentioned use too many 'I' in one of the threads and make things about yourself

When it interferes with punctuality in prayers, quality of prayers and even zikr time or Quran time. Then you better suspend yourself from it. Knowledge/ilm is the intention of many on sunni forum - no.1 its not the best source of knowledge. No.2 knowledge is only beneficial to the extent that it increases your taqwa and worship of Allah. If it is not doing that like how prayer and zikr invariably benefit sinners and the righteous- it is of no use.

When sarcasm is employed - its not the way of the Sunnah

When division and sectarianism is emphasized over unity amongst Muslim groups. A very common trait in sunni forum.

When you open too many threads it might not be a good sign. Limit what you have to say in already existant relevant threads.

When harshness in criticism is viewed favorably. It was not the way of nabi s.a.s. Even if used towards the completely deviated muslim minds and viewed as a regulatory measure to overpower the perceived deviant for his views. The prophet always overpowered the misguided- the proud and the meek, ignorant or knowledgeable - with hikmah and not harshness. Even when the kharijite man stood up to criticize the prophet s.a.s about his justice - the prophet didnt show harshness. Quran purified nabi s.a.s with many verses about harshness.

When scholars are criticized unrespectfully

When good occassional humor is not appreciated

When you naturally feel you are always and definitely right and unwilling to analyse other's posts and ideas.

When you post without due thought about the topic you are posting and do so simply for ego-fulfilling needs.

When the thread becomes a to and fro argumentative session completely out of tangent to the topic it specifically addresses

When the holiness of ramadhan is not respected and worse the last ten nights. It's a shame that alot of completely useless posts occured in ramadhan. We are all guilty of that apart from some obvious members who took a break from it. Maybe moderators really need to consider suspending SF during ramadhan or create a sub-forum where only taqwa/worship related items are discussed. Politics, economics and other wordly affairs should be minimized.

When the idea of an Islamic union is not made a top priority.

When you start typing for a post and the post gets longer and longer. Then take a break before you have submitted it and say is most of what I am typing is this really relevant or will benefit the Muslims? Concision is the way of nabi s.a.s and Muslims should make tremendous effort for concision.

When compliments are not made about brothers and sisters. In some cases this is apparent but in some cases this is not.Beautiful titles should be employed for each other. The prophet had inconceivable praises for his companions and titled them with excellent titles.

When you start developing a dislike for a user without knowing him/her just for some criticism he/she levelled on you. The untamed Ego is easily provoked and irritated by criticism/insults/allegations. The believer has tamed his ego and his mind overrides the ego and his manners manifest that in such circumstances. An anecdote - in the local mosque I went for iftar every evening. We have an excellent sahaba-like algerian brother - strong, bearded, frank, candid and the most self-sacrificing. He prepared meals from 2-5.30 everyday for ramadhan without pay. Some brothers occassionally help with cleaning the plates and dishes and sometimes he does it himself. Once I was with him incidentally at the wash-basin and my low-level self asked in a soft-polite acting manner 'brother do you want me to help you with the dishes'. He looked at me and said candidly without any harshness. "Brother if you really wanted to help you would say let me do the washing and not ask me in such a way. What am I supposed to say as a Muslim to your question. No brother its ok I will do it." I looked at him and first thought why is he acting like this when I am just asking him nicely. Although I felt irritated inside for a while I really ended up self-reflecting and absorbed that precious advise. If you want to do the dishes then take the soap and dish washer and start doing it. So that is the way of the sunnah of the sahaba's. Dont dislike people for criticism. Develop self-reflection and you will see many criticism will better you. [/LIST]

There's a lot of sense in that list.

Without getting involved with the Harun Yahya issue (although I will say his followers have made great books & dvds, but he himself needs to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet in all areas and denounce his sitting with models period as a mental lapse)

[Adiamant]

Have been waiting to ask bro mubarak this question:

Its normal for anyone who crosses the speed limit to get a ticket, it happens all the time, but why is it when celebrities are ticketed, its all over the news?

[Cajlwdvx]

Another question for brother mubarak:

Its always said that the Last Prophet, Prophet Muhammad suffered the most difficulties, faced hardships for the sake of Deen unlike any other Prophet [peace be upon them all] forget the ummah, why is that so when we all know many Prophets [peace be upon them all] and also Prophet Zakariyya [peace be upon him] was cut into two, and Prophet Yahya [peace be upon him] was beheaded, yet we say Prophet Muhammad's hardships outstrip them all.

Can brother mubarak tell me why so?

[Petrushkaukrop]

Yup, get sucked into this every time. Last? Insha'Allah.

[edit: how many of your points did I violate? - not rhetorical at all.]

Haha, your posts are very precious and concise. I generally always am delighted to listen to them. We all lapse and the sunnah as I said is not to stop criticism whether of harun yahya or anyone. However criticism has to be so wisely delivered that the other person is submerged in reflection after that and the scholar left duly respected for his dawah portfolio.

There's a lot of sense in that list.

Bro. We will leave it at that and not get into HY discussions in this thread inshAllah.

Have been waiting to ask bro mubarak this question:

Its normal for anyone who crosses the speed limit to get a ticket, it happens all the time, but why is it when celebrities are ticketed, its all over the news?

I am not quite getting your analogy brother. However in regard to your second question I always thought the Prophet s.a.s had the best character of all prophets not that he endured the most difficult hardships. He had a large discipleship which made his work easier than other prophets but certainly his character was most exceptional of all prophets. I am not sure of the answer though. Please enlighten.

[Wr8dIAUk]

...I always thought the Prophet s.a.s had the best character of all prophets not that he endured the most difficult hardships. He had a large discipleship which made his work easier than other prophets but certainly his character was most exceptional of all prophets.

No doubt that Prophet Muhammad s' character was the most exceptional out of all of mankind.

However, though I am not able to locate the exact hadith for you right now, I remember reading one hadith where the Prophet said (something to the effect of) that if the difficulties & hardships faced by him (SAW) were placed on one pan of a scale and the difficulties & hardships faced by all the other Prophets (peace be upon them all) combined were placed on the other pan of the scale; that Prophet Muhammad s' difficulties would outweigh the other.

Also, the "large discipleship" only came after well over a decade of effort, extreme hardships and difficulties, it wasn't just 'handed' to him . Insha'Allah we should all brush up on our history about the Prophet and the history behind the deen which he brought to us by the grace of Allah .

[remstaling]

One interpretation given by scholars is that the Prophet suffered more than anyone else is because he was given a very sensitive and merciful personality. When he gave dawa in Taif, they threw stones at him until his feet were covered in blood, yet he made dua for their guidance. We by contrast get hurt if someone just says a rude word or looks at us mockingly.

[altosburg]

I'll explain, I'll explain....give me some tme

[eljugadordepoquer]

Please this bro mubarak:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...amp-TJS-George

[Marat]

When Sunni Forum experience is no longer Sunni or Sunnah.



Please add to the thread or correct it inshAllah.

1. When you look at your own posts and initiated threads more than you look at others, re-read them disproportionately and feel self-important about your input. When you log out immediately after posting so that people dont think you are self-obsessed with your input/thread even though you are one of the guest members viewing the thread/post.
2. When you seek respect and superiority or feel you deserve them if many people have commended positively in the past about your inputs on sunni forum
3. When you spend too much excessive time on the forum when the same information could be read in a short time and you could move on with other more beneficial things.
4. When you like as some brother's mentioned use too many 'I' in one of the threads and make things about yourself
5. When it interferes with punctuality in prayers, quality of prayers and even zikr time or Quran time. Then you better suspend yourself from it. Knowledge/ilm is the intention of many on sunni forum - no.1 its not the best source of knowledge. No.2 knowledge is only beneficial to the extent that it increases your taqwa and worship of Allah. If it is not doing that like how prayer and zikr invariably benefit sinners and the righteous- it is of no use.
6. When sarcasm is employed - its not the way of the Sunnah
7. When division and sectarianism is emphasized over unity amongst Muslim groups. A very common trait in sunni forum.
8. When you open too many threads it might not be a good sign. Limit what you have to say in already existant relevant threads.
9. When harshness in criticism is viewed favorably. It was not the way of nabi s.a.s. Even if used towards the completely deviated muslim minds and viewed as a regulatory measure to overpower the perceived deviant for his views. The prophet always overpowered the misguided- the proud and the meek, ignorant or knowledgeable - with hikmah and not harshness. Even when the kharijite man stood up to criticize the prophet s.a.s about his justice - the prophet didnt show harshness. Quran purified nabi s.a.s with many verses about harshness.
10. When scholars are criticized unrespectfully
11. When good occassional humor is not appreciated
12. When you naturally feel you are always and definitely right and unwilling to analyse other's posts and ideas.
13. When you post without due thought about the topic you are posting and do so simply for ego-fulfilling needs.
14. When the thread becomes a to and fro argumentative session completely out of tangent to the topic it specifically addresses
15. When the holiness of ramadhan is not respected and worse the last ten nights. It's a shame that alot of completely useless posts occured in ramadhan. We are all guilty of that apart from some obvious members who took a break from it. Maybe moderators really need to consider suspending SF during ramadhan or create a sub-forum where only taqwa/worship related items are discussed. Politics, economics and other wordly affairs should be minimized.
16. When the idea of an Islamic union is not made a top priority.
17. When you start typing for a post and the post gets longer and longer. Then take a break before you have submitted it and say is most of what I am typing is this really relevant or will benefit the Muslims? Concision is the way of nabi s.a.s and Muslims should make tremendous effort for concision.
18. When compliments are not made about brothers and sisters. In some cases this is apparent but in some cases this is not.Beautiful titles should be employed for each other. The prophet had inconceivable praises for his companions and titled them with excellent titles.
19. When you start developing a dislike for a user without knowing him/her just for some criticism he/she levelled on you. The untamed Ego is easily provoked and irritated by criticism/insults/allegations. The believer has tamed his ego and his mind overrides the ego and his manners manifest that in such circumstances. An anecdote - in the local mosque I went for iftar every evening. We have an excellent sahaba-like algerian brother - strong, bearded, frank, candid and the most self-sacrificing. He prepared meals from 2-5.30 everyday for ramadhan without pay. Some brothers occassionally help with cleaning the plates and dishes and sometimes he does it himself. Once I was with him incidentally at the wash-basin and my low-level self asked in a soft-polite acting manner 'brother do you want me to help you with the dishes'. He looked at me and said candidly without any harshness. "Brother if you really wanted to help you would say let me do the washing and not ask me in such a way. What am I supposed to say as a Muslim to your question. No brother its ok I will do it." I looked at him and first thought why is he acting like this when I am just asking him nicely. Although I felt irritated inside for a while I really ended up self-reflecting and absorbed that precious advise. If you want to do the dishes then take the soap and dish washer and start doing it. So that is the way of the sunnah of the sahaba's. Dont dislike people for criticism. Develop self-reflection and you will see many criticism will better you.

Please add on how we can better ourselves and make sunni forum into a true authentic sunnahforum and not a time wasting experience.

for this. Most of the points serve as excellent reminders.