[ufUUZCnc]

If only someone like Umar ibn Khattab (RA) was alive, he would have lashed out the living daylight out of these racist idiots. Instead, because this is going unchecked, we have a whole generation of Saudis growing up who think they own the world.

May Allah guide the Gulf Arabs and make them into pious leaders of the Ummah.

[jinnsamys]

Kuffar oppress muslims, muslims oppress other muslims and then a muslim oppress himself/herself by going against the Commands of Allah SWT. Only Allah SWT can help Muslims.

I just watched some of the videos. how absolutely terrible! I can't believe how some brothers and sisters out there are treating other brothers and sisters so badly. Its like they're playing out fantasies of owning slaves! May Allah protect us from such zulm and may He bring justice for all those who have suffered!

Shame on those who do such things. Shame, shame, shame.

[Elaltergephah]

We all know that Indonesia, a Muslim country was severely perturbed by how the 'pure ones' treated their maids and workers. They barred further travel. I dont know if the ban is still in place. My country also did the same a few days ago after increasing number of violations of domestic workers. This kenyan Muslim has sent a video of how they have been detained and kept in saudia because he refused to work for his employer any more. Hasnt been very long but what little rahma they show when they fall into disagreement with fellow beings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dv_qSive-o by migration authorities
I think these people are also a bit stupid. They can always keep the place clean by dumping everything in one corner. The bin however looks full.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0yg9...eature=related
Another kenyan muslim died and body put in freezer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9UcD...eature=related
Rough translation
I went to saudi on 16th May 2008
The contract I signed was 1000 riyal, it changed when I arrived there to 600 riyal
I worked there for 9 months
When they will go to vacation before ramadhan they will lock the house and leave me inside
If you are sick, they dont want to listen much, they will buy you panadol and that is the limit.
she conveys a story about a philipino friend of hers whose boss was a lesbian who wanted to force her to have sex. When she refused, she was tied down and the boss lady cut her private parts. she subsequently died.
She also told about how her boss always wanted to sleep with her so she could go to look for work elsewhere. she had to use story of father has died to come back to kenya and escape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvvvh...feature=relmfu
Rukia Athman, another Muslim cries over the phone talking to Kenyan tv about how she has been detained in the house and not allowed to go back.

So many examples are available make the news all the time several where violence and there was one recent case where a women was thrown off the balcony also by her 'pure' saudi master and broke both her upper limbs. I am not saying that these are cases which happen every day but they happen regularly to ignore. And the fact that two countries now have banned foreign workers shows that something might be wrong in how saudis view themselves and their foreign workers.
There was a video about how a bengali was treated but someone deleted it. I dont know why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=bBhhP3Wf7Do

Anyways this is not a propaganda thread but that for self-reflection for saudis to better their ethics of treating others.

Its the same in some other Gulf countries.

Its not a new story though.

and you should not tar everyone with the same brush.

the way you keep referring to the Saudis as 'the pure ones' is sarcastic and seems a little prejudiced to me.

[Maypeevophy]

Assalamu alaykum

In general it is a "pious state" and the whole gulf too. But there are incidents happening which the state has to seriously handle. Experienced members can share their experiences on how to handle these issues.

and not every migrant worker is an angel either

and there are plenty of disgruntled nannies who vent their anger on children and babies

[ZESINTERS]

and not every migrant worker is an angel either

and there are plenty of disgruntled nannies who vent their anger on children and babies

surely if you had no rights wouldn't you be more than dis-grunted?

[Jxmwzgpv]

surely if you had no rights wouldn't you be more than dis-grunted?

no one forced them to go there

the problem with this thread is that it gives the impression that the extreme end of what has happened is the norm

[famosetroie]

and not every migrant worker is an angel either

and there are plenty of disgruntled nannies who vent their anger on children and babies

This leaves people like me in the no-man's zone.
So now is the time to give a overall perspective on the situation so that either we put it behind us or, at least, file it among the to be solved problems.

[Figelac]

Insha'Allah - to be solved; along with the problems that drive Muslims to leave their homes, families and children to work in foreign lands in the first place.

[pprropeciaaa]

no one forced them to go there

the problem with this thread is that it gives the impression that the extreme end of what has happened is the norm

No one forced them to go there? How about poverty, want, dire financial circumstances? It's extremely hypocritical for people leading comfortable lives to judge these poor people.

[Prererularl]

Insha'Allah - to be solved; along with the problems that drive Muslims to leave their homes, families and children to work in foreign lands in the first place.

Everyone knows the King has a problem with the 21st Century. Human rights to him is an evil invention of poor, tortured people and how on earth could he take their word for it. Let's face it, it's not like they have an unbiased opinion. Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they? It is an obvious conflict of interest. As the King famously said on being questioned on his human rights abuses, "Torture never hurt anyone".

[FetMiddle]

Everyone knows the King has a problem with the 21st Century. Human rights to him is an evil invention of poor, tortured people and how on earth could he take their word for it. Let's face it, it's not like they have an unbiased opinion. Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they? It is an obvious conflict of interest. As the King famously said on being questioned on his human rights abuses, "Torture never hurt anyone".

you keep saying the same "sound quotes" like a politician.

I never hear you criticize the terrible tortures inflicted on Sunnis, Sufis and dissidents in Iran

I never hear you criticize the terrible tortures inflicted on Sunnis by Hezbollah in Lebanon

I never hear you criticize the terrible tortures inflicted on Sunnis by Moqtada al Sada Militia in Iraq

[Hpdovoxm]

No one forced them to go there?

How about poverty, want, dire financial circumstances?

I am sure that you know that in reality it is very rarely the poorest African or Asian people who get work in the Gulf.

Getting required permissions and paying for flights etc are not cheap.

The ones you are talking about are more likely to try to go to Europe as illegal immigrants or refugees.

These things that are mentioned in this thread have been happening for years and they are very wrong.

But people in the countries where the workers come from know by now that if they go there they are taking a big gamble on whether they will get human beings or devils as employers.

It's extremely hypocritical for people leading comfortable lives to judge these poor people. The only people being judged here are the Gulf Arabs and someone who has tried to add a note of balance and fairness to the discussion.

and I want to ask people...

Do these abuse cases represent all interactions between Gulf Arabs and foreign workers? NO

Do these abuse cases represent 50% of interactions between Gulf Arabs and foreign workers? NO

Do these abuse cases represent 75% of interactions between Gulf Arabs and foreign workers? NO

so people need to be careful how they speak about people and be careful not to slander a majority who do not abuse anyone by the actions of a minority that do.

There are bad people in Saudi and UAE etc, but there are also just as many or more bad people in Pakistan, UK, America and every other country too. Admitting this and that things need to be done about it is good, but slandering whole nations by the actions of the bad people amongst them is not.

The racist and Islamophobic Zionist media campaigns against the Gulf Arabs and the constant Rafidite poison is bad enough without Muslims joining in and stabbing themselves to death.

[Glamyclitlemi]

Human rights are not Islamic.....Islam does not say humans have these rights...it just says Allah will judge you in akhira and punish you if you have harmed my creation unjustly.

Everyone knows the King has a problem with the 21st Century. Human rights to him is an evil invention of poor, tortured people and how on earth could he take their word for it. Let's face it, it's not like they have an unbiased opinion. Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they? It is an obvious conflict of interest. As the King famously said on being questioned on his human rights abuses, "Torture never hurt anyone".

[pageup85]

Human rights are not Islamic.....Islam does not say humans have these rights...it just says Allah will judge you in akhira and punish you if you have harmed my creation unjustly.

Really? I learn something new everyday

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_D...ights_in_Islam

[Anckzxik]

Even i had same experience

Before some months back I have gone for interview and the client is from saudi arabia Dammam I have applied for Human Resource Officer
When I entered to client cabin he simply said to me we have already filled up vacancies then I had word with counselling person who called me up for Interview the that lady had word with client
when she came back from client cabin she said client don't want person who is having beard I was shocked the person who is living in Saudi Arabia how can he refused beard person I feel very bad my self the main thing was that there is no lot deeni work that's the reason the prophet country is also behaving like non muslim's

As my prophet said Mafum :- "we should not speak bad about Arab people"
so i came back feeling that this is my fault I din't did work for deen that's the reason all things are happening around the world include Saudi and other gulf country also
But I wanted meet that client for giving dawah but they won't allowed me and even I din't tried a lot. so I came back

O Allah please give me hidayat and for whole ummah also ....

[sportlife]

Even i had same experience

Before some months back I have gone for interview and the client is from saudi arabia Dammam I have applied for Human Resource Officer
When I entered to client cabin he simply said to me we have already filled up vacancies then I had word with counselling person who called me up for Interview the that lady had word with client
when she came back from client cabin she said client don't want person who is having beard I was shocked the person who is living in Saudi Arabia how can he refused beard person I feel very bad my self the main thing was that there is no lot deeni work that's the reason the prophet country is also behaving like non muslim's

This is a reality and it will not hurt to keep this in mind.

[conurgenceDen]

I was wondering about the title of this thread. Saudia, 'a pious state' :O

[Les Allen]

Are .....

are you from dubai??? if yes...can i get names & contacts of some ulema and mashaikhs of dubai....and when is shab-guzari(tabligh gathering) in dubai and who is ameer or shura of dubai?

[cindygirl]

I was wondering about the title of this thread. Saudia, 'a pious state' :O

Assalamu alaykum

In general it is a "pious state" and the whole gulf too. But there are incidents happening which the state has to seriously handle. Experienced members can share their experiences on how to handle these issues.

[unsamiSlini]

As my prophet said Mafum :- "we should not speak bad about Arab people"
....

Are you quoting a hadith?
If so, please provide the reference, i myself have never heard anything like this.

There are some employers in Gulf who dont like beard, some dont even like Hijab.
Its not uncommon for girls wearing Niqab/Hijab to be turned down from jobs, and similarly brothers having Sunnah beard can be at a disadvantage.

What I found is that many people from Levant regions (Jordan, Syria) and Egypt look down upon Niqab and Sunnah beard and it is often them (or the obvious nonMuslim) who object to workers practising.

But yes this discrimination is less prevalent in Saudi Arabia then lets say the other Gulf states