[radikal]

http://daledamos.blogspot.com/2011/0...tions.html?m=1

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-..._Cast_Lead.htm
Charts: Hamas Ceasefire Violations

And lots of them: Since the end of the 2009 Gaza War, 393 rockets and 337 mortar shells have been fired by Palestinian Arabs in Gaza into Israel. The Israel Foreign Minsistry website has both graphics to illustrate the point as well as lists of incidents.

[S.T.D.]

I have already read that article a while ago. I found it to be very interesting and informative.

Israel has already broken that cease fire before Hamas though... http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/cfb.html

Also, Israel still continues its airstrikes. Even in the past couple weeks there have been... I believe that the cease fire on January 18th was unilateral on Israel's side though.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, or inform me about the cease fire at the end of Operation Cast Lead ended.

[softy54534]

August Rocket Calendar:

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/201...-calendar.html

[Lillie_Steins]

August Rocket Calendar:

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/201...-calendar.html

Is that a reply to what I said? Or are you just giving us more information?

[LottiFurmann]

Cast Lead was nothing more than a PR stunt to try to get Olmert re elected and out of the trouble that he finds himself in. It was a great Idea but it was too little too late if it was a sincere attempt at removing Hamas from the game.
If the Hamas had been totally neutralised then Abbas and the PA would be in control of Gaza and there would be PA unity. However a fractious Palarab state suits Israel better than a unified one.
You can try and put the blame on Israel but in esscense it boils down to the fact that arabs dont even like their own kind.
An attempt to establish "First Blood" is a waste of time, it goes back long before cast lead. Yet if you want to know who struck the first blow after Cast Lead which broke the peace, your name is the clue pal.

[9mm_fan]

Cast Lead was nothing more than a PR stunt to try to get Olmert re elected and out of the trouble that he finds himself in. It was a great Idea but it was too little too late if it was a sincere attempt at removing Hamas from the game.
If the Hamas had been totally neutralised then Abbas and the PA would be in control of Gaza and there would be PA unity. However a fractious Palarab state suits Israel better than a unified one.
You can try and put the blame on Israel but in esscense it boils down to the fact that arabs dont even like their own kind.
An attempt to establish "First Blood" is a waste of time, it goes back long before cast lead. Yet if you want to know who struck the first blow after Cast Lead which broke the peace, your name is the clue pal.

Let me repeat myself:

Israel has already broken that cease fire before Hamas though... http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/cfb.html
Also, Israel still continues its airstrikes. Even in the past couple weeks there have been... I believe that the cease fire on January 18th was unilateral on Israel's side though.

The article gives specific dates that the cease fire after Operation Cast Lead was broken. Not to mention, the cease fire called on January 18th by Israel was immediately violated the same day by Israel.

Also, the cease fire before Operation Cast Lead was broken by Israel as well. The Ministry of Defence and Foreign Ministry websites for Israel show very clearly that the rocket fire from Gaza had fallen to about 0 when a temparary cease fire was negotiated. The cease fire was maintained by Hamas, even though Israel didn't hold up to its bargain which was to weaken the blockade and maintain more aid. Hamas even offered a 10 year cease fire if Israel were to lift the blockade. When a country occupies and blockades another people, it does not have a right for self defence. It has a right to protect its people and maintain security in the occupation. But the occuapation was secure, and the rocket fire as I said was very low at the time of the attack in 2008. I believe Israel ended the cease fire on November 4, 2008 when they had an attack within Gaza strip that killed at least 6 Palestinians. From what it looks like, Israel didn't want this cease fire to be pro-longed or have any diplomatic resolution of its relationship with Hamas.


Oh and farmboy, by the way, just saying something without any support is nearly equal to saying absolutely nothing at all...

[radikal]

I have already read that article a while ago. I found it to be very interesting and informative.

Israel has already broken that cease fire before Hamas though... http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/cfb.html

Also, Israel still continues its airstrikes. Even in the past couple weeks there have been... I believe that the cease fire on January 18th was unilateral on Israel's side though.

Pardon the digression, but, you are aware that Jews were called Palestinians during the British Mandate prior to Israeli statehood, yes?

The invention of the so-called Palestinians, today, is merely a political tool used against Israel. Pals are just nomads from Arabia.

[NeroASERCH]

Pardon the digression, but, you are aware that Jews were called Palestinians during the British Mandate prior to Israeli statehood, yes?

The invention of the so-called Palestinians, today, is merely a political tool used against Israel. Pals are just nomads from Arabia.

This isn't the topic to discuss this... It is not relavant at all to what I said.

[Lt_Apple]

Let me repeat myself:

Israel has already broken that cease fire before Hamas though... http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/cfb.html
Also, Israel still continues its airstrikes. Even in the past couple weeks there have been... I believe that the cease fire on January 18th was unilateral on Israel's side though.

The article gives specific dates that the cease fire after Operation Cast Lead was broken. Not to mention, the cease fire called on January 18th by Israel was immediately violated the same day by Israel.

Also, the cease fire before Operation Cast Lead was broken by Israel as well. The Ministry of Defence and Foreign Ministry websites for Israel show very clearly that the rocket fire from Gaza had fallen to about 0 when a temparary cease fire was negotiated. The cease fire was maintained by Hamas, even though Israel didn't hold up to its bargain which was to weaken the blockade and maintain more aid. Hamas even offered a 10 year cease fire if Israel were to lift the blockade. When a country occupies and blockades another people, it does not have a right for self defence. It has a right to protect its people and maintain security in the occupation. But the occuapation was secure, and the rocket fire as I said was very low at the time of the attack in 2008. I believe Israel ended the cease fire on November 4, 2008 when they had an attack within Gaza strip that killed at least 6 Palestinians. From what it looks like, Israel didn't want this cease fire to be pro-longed or have any diplomatic resolution of its relationship with Hamas.


Oh and farmboy, by the way, just saying something without any support is nearly equal to saying absolutely nothing at all...

The Egyptians and Abbas are on record stating Hamas violated the cease-fire. Just so you know

[Paul Bunyan]

This isn't the topic to discuss this... It is not relavant at all to what I said.

That is why I characterized my earlier post as a digression. I am amused by so-called Palestinians as Palestine is not actually an Arabic word, it's English. Why wouldn't you call yourself by an Arabic name?

[Beerinkol]

That is why I characterized my earlier post as a digression. I am amused by so-called Palestinians as Palestine is not actually an Arabic word, it's English. Why wouldn't you call yourself by an Arabic name?

They do call themselves by an Arabic name when they are speaking Arabic and it is based on the same Latin word as the English word you find so amusing.

Let's stay on topic. Thanks.

[Peptobismol]

The Egyptians and Abbas are on record stating Hamas violated the cease-fire. Just so you know

Since when? Even then, provide support to HOW the cease-fire was actually broken by Hamas... Such as a date, how many died, etc.

There are specific dates that show cease-fire violations on both sides. Israel's pre-date those of Hamas. What I stated was a fact.

The rocket fire was nearly 0 when Israel broke the cease fire, which later resulted into operation cast lead. The cease fire called after operation cast lead on January 18th was broken by Israel the same day the cease fire was called... Just read my other post once more.

The reply you left didn't prove or provide any evidence...


By the way, the word "Palestine" does not originally derive from English. (no need to go off topic though, but just mentioning it.)

[brraverishhh]

Since when? Even then, provide support to HOW the cease-fire was actually broken by Hamas... Such as a date, how many died, etc.

There are specific dates that show cease-fire violations on both sides. Israel's pre-date those of Hamas. What I stated was a fact.

The rocket fire was nearly 0 when Israel broke the cease fire, which later resulted into operation cast lead. The cease fire called after operation cast lead on January 18th was broken by Israel the same day the cease fire was called... Just read my other post once more.

The reply you left didn't prove or provide any evidence...

Both Abbas and an Egyptian leader are on record as stating they pleaded with Hamas not to violate the ceasefire to no avail

[Lillie_Steins]

They do call themselves by an Arabic name when they are speaking Arabic and it is based on the same Latin word as the English word you find so amusing.

Let's stay on topic. Thanks.

Falastin is not an Arabic word, it's merely the Arabic pronunciation of Palestine, since there is no p letter in Arabic.

[Peptobismol]

Both Abbas and an Egyptian leader are on record as stating they pleaded with Hamas not to violate the ceasefire to no avail

Thats strange? Because the data says otherwise...

As I said in my other post PROVIDE EVIDENCE. When was this said? and what date did they proclaim Hamas breaking the cease fire? You lack detail, therefore it can't be taken seriously.

Especially because I don't think Abbas or an Egyptian leader have said such a thing. Where exactly did you hear this from?