[Ifroham4]

I am a "settler". Despite my 50+ hour a week work schedule, trying to be the best husband to my wife, father to my children when I am not at work, keeping Shabbat, etc. etc. I still find time to spend the night chasing Arabs, slaughtering them, and using their blood for Passover Matza

[Beerinkol]

Sunshine, some people say that all Israelis do those things. Yes, there are lots of crazy settlers, maybe even 1k or more, but they do not represent the 500k Jews who live in Judea & Samaria. It's true though, that even this small percentage do make the rest look bad.

[MannoFr]

How does something that goes unreported become patently obvious to a guy who doesn't live there?

[MannoFr]

The difference is Israel does take care of these nutjobs. Back in the 90's there were 2 radicals who wanted to blow up an Arab kindergarten and Shin Bet stopped them. These guys are serving life in prison IN ISRAEL.

No Sunshine, we are NOT the same as Arabs. If the Arabs had the means they would genocide the whole country, and they have already attempted to do so more than once. The difference is Israel has the means, but would never do it. Palestinians are treated in ISraeli hospitals, not the other way around.

Besides, Mediocrates is right, this guy sounds like a lunatic himself. How does he know what goes on the territories if he lives in the states??? There are so many reporters in Israel and WB, NOTHING goes unreported.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

to Aliyah1995 , please let me further explain my position with regards to israel ( where my grandparents, uncles, aunties and cousins live)

whenever i watch a kahane video i feel a certain vibe and i start to shake, a tear falls down my cheek and i get very frustrated and angry that such a loving beautiful man who only wanted the best for israel and the jews was seen as a nutjob and then later kicked out of the knesset and then murdered.

i know all the crap the arabs say such as jews are letting pigs loose to ruin their crops etc and rats and mice and tigers and all this nonsense

but i this guy was telling me he saw all this (kids throwing over tables at arab markets, pulling old womens clothes down etc , and then killing the arabs)

this shocked me for the fact that maybe i am a bit naive and possibly i have to recognize that jews are not , well are by far not perfect and there are bad jews, look at rahm Emmanuelle look at finklestein look at chomskey, but on one hand i support the sttlers right to live when arabs are living in israel , but the arabs in israel are not doing what their doing

yes there is the problem and although its not a majority of them , but every now and then israel has to expect an israeli arab is going to kill a jew be it jerusalem, or anywere such as the yeshiva massacre and then the stabbings you hear about, now ofcourse you cant compare settlers being violent to arabs killing jews here and there in israel proper, but then when i hear that the settlers are killing arabs for no reason i say how can i now support the settlers, the guy i spoke to said ofcourse its not all but even he said its a majority of the settlers is that true? have they really killed over a 1000 arabs in the last 9 years ?

im asking for help i have not made my mind up but i wanted to just confirm what he had said to be either true or false

because there is one thing making settlements but then harrassing the arabs almost gives them a justification to retaliate even though they were in the wrong at first, also it gives us such a horrible press and finally how can these religious jews act like this?

is this really self defence?

and i only getting one side, do the arabs give as much as they take , as in attacking or killing settlers?

finally the guy said many of the religious settlers are all on drugs etc ? is this true? like i said i can talk about the conflict but i know very little about this and hes an israeli and has been there so what could i have said

if people on this forum want people good jews out there to stand up for certain values and ideals then help me out, because i want to hear both sides and i want to be able to defend israel in an argument about settlers but if it means im justifying their reckless behavior how can i do that?

i hope you have got the message that i am no liberal pathetic excuse of a jew but i still differentiate between right and wrong

help ???

Sunshine, tell this friend of yours to come to Israel and visit a "settlement". Let him come visit any "settlement" in Gush-Etzion, for example and judge for himself.

If he is not up to that then he can feel free to join this forum and PM a "settler" (i.e. me) and talk.

Otherwise, he can say all he wants that he knows more about "settlers/settlements" than those of us who actually live in one, but that is BS....

[NeroASERCH]

that is true mediocrates i have no answer to that maybe this guy was a lunatic im not sure

if your telling me that out of 500k jews this is a small minority of say 1k then i have to say this

this is the same argument muslims use with regards to terror , so it is the job of the 499k to stop this???

It's the job of Israel's police/army to stop them. I don't know how many people they (the violent minority) have killed since 2000, so I can't comment on that, but if you read Israeli press they do report from time to time that some settlers are for example burning Palestinian property.

If I'm not mistaken Israel enforces separate roads for settlers and Palestinians precisely because this sort of things can happen...

[brraverishhh]

But I will tell you I worked with a program here in states to fund and train perimeter dogs for service in YESHA. Perimeter dogs are watchdogs for lack of a better term. Dogs who patrol the fenceline and alert on intruders and/or follow them into the brush. They are not 'guard dogs', like police dogs trained to take down on command. And during the al Aqsa war you could have used hundreds of more perimeter dogs. They are very very valuable. But I'm sure some propagandist nutjob claimed they were blood thirsty baby eating nazi death machine war crimes.

[TorryJens]

Sunshine, tell this friend of yours to come to Israel and visit a "settlement". Let him come visit any "settlement" in Gush-Etzion, for example and judge for himself.

If he is not up to that then he can feel free to join this forum and PM a "settler" (i.e. me) and talk.

Otherwise, he can say all he wants that he knows more about "settlers/settlements" than those of us who actually live in one, but that is BS....

No need to prove anyone what is happening in Israel. International Media & NGO's are always looking for the breaking news.


It would be better if Sunshines friend sees what Hamas is doing with the Children.

[Slonopotam845]

I have family in Ariel and not one of them is a nutjob. About 1/2 are national-religious, the others are secular Zionists. All very nice. In fact all of them are better than my family elsewhere in Israel. My ex is from Ariel, and her family was just awesome. They helped honest working Arabs in everything as well. Their house was always open and they suffered immensely in Yemen, where they came from.

The Settlers by and large are some of the best people that Israel has and will ever have. Moral, good and often cordial people [and 'cordial' in Israel is saying something ].

[9mm_fan]

found this on wikipedia

Palestinian violence against settlers
Types of fatal attacks by Palestinians against settlers have included suicide bombings of buses and hitchhiking posts, firing of rockets and mortars, shootings, stabbings, bludgeonings, stonings and an axe murder. Children, including infants, have often been targeted in these attacks. Incidents which received relative notoreity include:
26 March 2001: A ten-month-old Israeli infant was shot in the head and killed by a Palestinian sniper while seated in her stroller on the streets of Hebron.[147]
8 May 2001:Two 14-year-old boys from the settlement of Tekoa were found dead in a nearby cave after their heads were smashed in by rocks. A group called Hizbullah-Palestine claimed responsibility[148]
12 June 2001: A five-month-old infant, the son of settlers, was hit in a Palestinian stoning attack on the car in which he was travelling. The baby died from his injuries after six days.[149]
19 June 2002: an Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades suicide bombing at a crowded bus stop and hitchhiking post frequented by settlers in the French Hill neighborhood of East Jerusalem killed 10 civilians.[150]
20 June 2002: a Palestinian gunman entered a home in the settlement of Itamar and killed a mother and three of her children. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack.[151]
April 2009: An ax-wielding Palestinian killed a 13-year-old boy and wounded a 7-year-old boy in the settlement of Bat Ayin.[152]


are they playing the same games as the terrorists by using vigilante to respond to these murders?

they could be using the kahanist view from the talmud that teaches jews to not stand idly whilst your brothers are being killed or if someone tried to slay you, slay him first etc

i really dont know on one hand they cant just sit there and let the arabs kill their kids and at the same time israel is a democratic state and these settlers can not take these matters into their own hands