[Big A]

Ali,

Keep praying! Apparently, Allah does not like you as Israel has defeated terrorism, Arab armies, economic blackmail, territorial blockades, media warfare, etc. etc.

Face the reality! Allah is not on your side. Look at the 22 Arab states mired in corruption, poverty, violence, internal terror, persecution of minorities, etc. and look at Israel. She is democratic, advanced, economically stable with educational and medical centers the smart Arabs flock to study or get treated.

Why don't you ask the Arab citizens of Israel if they would trade the Israeli residency for the Arab one?

See, Allah does not like you and Israel is there to stay. So, instead of irritating Allah you should pray for Israel because Allah loves Israel.

lol

Oh Toga, i never would have imagined you could come up with an ace post like this

[Slonopotam845]

Can Israel survive another Arab state on its flank?

The answer is, of course. Modern Israel existed from 1948 to 1967 without the entirety of the Gaza Strip and West Bank. Any settlement today is going to include some annexation of West Bank territory to Israel.

So the Palestinians get a state and Palestinians continue to attack Israel.

It is no longer "resistance" or "terrorism." It is an overt act of war. At that point Israel tells the UN to get in there and fix the damn problem, or they will. Seal the borders entirely with troops, kill terrorists with helicopter strikes not unlike today, until the Palestinians surrender.

Sure, in 1967, such a strategy would have meant disaster against the Arab states. But it isn't 1967. Egypt doesn't want to fight Israel. Jordan doesn't want to fight Israel. Lebanon, being occupied by Syria as they are, doesn't have a say in the matter. Saudi Arabia isn't going to do anything. Iraq is free. Kuwait? No. Libya? Qaddafi is licking the West's boots. Syria? Assad doesn't want to get his ass kicked. Iran? What is Iran going to do? Nuke Israel? I suppose murder-suicide is a kind of heroic way to go...

The point is that if the Palestinians get a state and keep attacking Israel, its an act of war, and Israel would be fully within her rights to defend herself to whatever extent she deems necessary, and no one is going to come and help the Palestinians militarily. Sure, the UN would come in, maybe, and put troops in the WB and GS, but a Palestinian state is not the harbinger of doom it may appear to be.

[brraverishhh]

Folks always seem to jump to that same conclusion that somehow the world will sit up on its hind legs and suddenly, after allowing a Palestinian terrorist state which has made the use of terrorism a legitimate foreign policy tool, fight back against these same terrorists.

It's a silly conclusion predicated on an equally silly notion of what is 'fair' and legal. But as we know in international media driven politics there is nothing fair and legal about it, let alone just. No - all the apologists for terror will NEVER allow a free Palestine to be attacked for the same reason they refuse to accept that Israel should defend herself today. Their view of terrorism is that it is like a natural disaster floating over the heads of innocent Palestinian bystanders. No one is to blame, no one can be held accountable, no one should worry about it all that much. Just wring your hands and slap up another photo of a bulldozed house.

But the fact is this: A free Palestine, little more than today's Palestine with their own money, stamps and other 'legalities' will be the first fully functioning terrorist state which uses terrorism as a legitimate tool in its relations with other countries, specifically Israel. None of you defenders of terrorism will EVER support Israeli tanks shooting over the heads of your UN 'peacekeepers' over into the 'camps'. None of you will EVER support targeted assassinations then as now. None of you will ever support IDF incursions into Palestine as a response to terrorism then as now. Here is what you will do; you will squawk and scream that terrorism is 'out there' beyond anyone's control but that Israeli response is an act of WAR and should be dealt with by international force to protect the poor peaceful peaceloving people of peace of Palestine. You will remain smugly contented that Palestinian terrorism will achieve final political and 'legal' parity with Israel and you will use that as an excuse to excoriate any legitimate defence on the part of the Israelis just as you do today.


The point is that if the Palestinians get a state and keep attacking Israel, its an act of war, and Israel would be fully within her rights to defend herself to whatever extent she deems necessary, and no one is going to come and help the Palestinians militarily. Sure, the UN would come in, maybe, and put troops in the WB and GS, but a Palestinian state is not the harbinger of doom it may appear to be.
Please spare me your trite nonsense. You don't even want to admit that terrorism comes from the top of th PA on down, right now, today. Suddenly you're going cry and complain that terrorism is bad? Hundreds upon hundreds of murders and yet you can't rationalize any defence against them specifically BECAUSE Israel is in a position to defend herself against them? Thousands upon thousands of attacks and yet because operationally Israel has no choice but to take an actively defensive position, albeit intrusive in the lives of Palestinians but because it must take an active role that is to you, illigitimate. But when Palestine is declared a nation suddenly all of your OWN excuses fall away? It would be laughable if it wasn't tragically stupid.

[brraverishhh]

http://www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/.../b/i/160320041


Can Israel Survive Another Arab Muslim State Called “Palestine�?

By Emanuel A. Winston

IHC Abstract

Winston explores the chances of Israel’s survival with a Palestinian state in its heartland. His conclusions are that Israel can endure, but not without ongoing Arab hostilities in an effort to annex as much land as possible as part of a futuristic utopian Muslim Ummah. This being the case, Israel must never compromise its security interests to placate other foreign interests, especially those of the United States. With Muslim conquest gaining rapid ideological momentum, Israel cannot afford to give up its long-cherished right of preemption to satisfy an oil-driven U.S. State Department.




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The Israeli people, as a people, have survived thousands of years, both in Israel and in the Diaspora. I cannot think of an era or a nation that has not invaded the Land of Israel in the hopes of – literally – adding the God of Israel to their panoply of pagan gods. They may succeed in temporarily capturing the bricks and mortar of Jerusalem but never the elusive spirit of the one God.

The question “Can Israel survive another hostile Arab Muslim state in the region, or worse yet, a state called ‘Palestine’ in its very heartland?� can be answered “Yes, but not without suffering unremitting terror and continual episodes of war.� Considering the Koran’s mandate to them, Muslims will continue to try to either conquer Israel through force of arms or through demographic increase. The Arab Muslim Palestinians have a prodigious birthrate, which can be adduced from the population explosion in Gaza since it was turned over to Yasser Arafat through the Oslo Accords. Palestinians do not seem to mind the overcrowding and poor living conditions. And when they do, their misery is always directed at Israel as the cause, not at the Arab leadership, who programmed their misery as a weapon against Israel.

A Palestinian state would be free to build or import weapons in tonnage. Presently, more moderate acquisition is accomplished through smuggling. The tunnels from Egypt (with Mubarak’s knowledge) provide entry for small arms, including shoulder-fired missiles (anti-tank and anti-aircraft) as well as explosives and terrorists. As a full-fledged state, Palestinians would soon become a receptacle of larger and deadlier weapons, including missiles with chemical and biological warheads.

Egypt itself continues to be a growing concern for the IDF. Now that it has amassed approximately $60 billion in U.S. armaments under the U.S. aid program, Egypt is a military colossus in the Middle East. In the event of war between Israel and any of the Arab nations, namely Syria and Iran, Egypt has pledged to intervene on the latter’s behalf.

The Egyptians would rely on the Palestinians’ becoming a front line, an insurgent force supplied by the tunnels, to impede or at least slow up Israeli mobilization to all fronts. As Israel came to learn when it went into Lebanon in 1982, Syria had also counted on the same rationale. Israel discovered miles of tunnels carved into the Lebanese mountains, filled with pre-positioned armaments and written plans for a Palestinian attack against Israel. According to these plans, Syrians would soon follow.

Syria is always a concern. From military journals about its missile capability, one learns that Syria has advanced warheads with Sarin Gas and is currently working on VX chemicals – both of them deadly. Syria, like Iraq and Iran, invariably lies to the world about its WMDs, and the world turns a blind eye. We have already witnessed the inclusion of many escape clauses and waivers in The Syrian Accountability Act recently passed by the American Congress, which amount to a complete avoidance of implementing any punishment on the Syrians.

There is deep concern in Israel’s Military Intelligence over the synchronized effort of the Syrians, Iranians and Egyptians in a potential war. A joint effort would translate into a deluge of missile attacks on Israel’s population centers and military bases. The objective would be to cripple Israel’s retaliatory capability and would no doubt include nuclear strikes, if and when Iran develops such a capability.

At one time, Israel conducted preemptive strikes when it knew the Arab nations were gathering to attack. That tactic was seriously compromised when the U.S. under Nixon and Kissinger warned Israel not to preemptively attack Egypt on pains of losing U.S. re-supply assistance. An acceptance of this dictum in the face of the Yom Kippur attack in 1973 could have cost Israel the war. The re-supply of ammunition and TOW missiles, shipped from storage depots in Germany on the orders of General Al Haig, came at a crucial moment. I know this because I was landing at Ben Gurion Airport at the same time the giant Galaxies were landing with this re-supply.

On the southern front in 1973, General Ariel Sharon saved the day when he disobeyed orders from the IDF General Staff and crossed the Suez Canal. He raced with armor behind the surprised Egyptian Third Army and surrounded them. They were trapped. At this time, the U.S. and the Soviets stepped in to save Egypt’s Third Army by forcing Israel to release them. The Arab Muslims have launched and lost every war against Israel. Each time, the American oil gang intervened, forcing the U.S. government to step in and save the Arab countries from defeat.

As for the question, “Can Israel survive with another Arab Muslim state called ‘Palestine’ in its heartland?� the answer is still “Yes! But not without suffering from permanent Arab aggression.� The Mullahs will always invoke the Koranic mandate which declares that wherever a Muslim has stepped foot, he must return to reclaim the land for the great Ummah (the world and people of Islam). Thus, Israel is on their agenda – as is Spain and half of France. The mendacious claim that Israel is an occupying force will always be part of their propaganda to justify terror attacks.

Israel can survive another Arab Muslim State of Palestine, but there will always be conflict. There is little doubt the surrounding Arab nations who have unwanted Arab Palestinians on their soil will transfer (eject) them into whatever space is called ‘Palestine’. The numbers could be anywhere between three to five million. There they will sit, as they do in the squalor of the refugee camps, demanding entry into Israel for work and more living space. You can count on the Europeans’ and Americans’ backing their demands. After all, they constantly insist that Israel open its checkpoints to allow the Arabs in for work, despite the terror that always ensues.

Israel faces a serious mix of threats on all its borders – including 12,000 missiles in the hands of Hizbullah in the area of Lebanon that then Prime Minister Ehud Barak abandoned. Some of these missiles are known to carry chemical warheads supplied by Iran via Syria.

Israel relies heavily on its friend and ally the U.S. Israel depends on U.S. aid and on its power of veto in the U.N. Unfortunately, U.S. foreign policy is shaped vis-ÃÂ-vis the interests of oil-rich Arab nations. If Israel continues to accept American assistance, it will be forced to defer to U.S. foreign policy and thereby to Arab interests. It is high time Israel act upon its own sovereign interests.


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Source: Original text submitted by the author, a Middle East analyst & commentator, 7 March 2004.

Many of the author’s articles appear on Websites at gamla.org.il/english/index.htm and www.freeman.org.

Abstracted and edited by IHC Staff, www.infoisrael.net.

[PhillipHer]

Modern Israel can survive just about anything. It has come to be something of a law of nature that whenever we are attacked, it only makes us stronger and more advanced. We were denied weapons in 1948 though a UN embargo- and we have become the best tacticians in the region, if not in the world. We were denied modern war technologies after that- yet we managed to deal a crushing blow to three Arab armies while using obsolete tanks bought off post-World war II scrap yards. We were attacked by terrorists outside our borders- and we have created the world's most effective secret service. Oh and check out the birth rate statistics during wars- the more casualties we suffer, the higher our birth rate. Killing Israelis creates more Israelis.

Like hell can they defeat us.

P.S. Oh and Allah is a Zionist, of course.

[softy54534]

From toga


Face the reality! Allah is not on your side. Look at the 22 Arab states mired in corruption, poverty, violence, internal terror, persecution of minorities, etc. and look at Israel. She is democratic, advanced, economically stable with educational and medical centers the smart Arabs flock to study or get treated.

From muslima LOL
Oh Toga, i never would have imagined you could come up with an ace post like this

From golani: LOL...... Will I ever understand moongod follower's sense of humor??????? 22 states in decay and she laughs!!!!!!

I can well afford to laugh Golani, not that a humourless soul like you would understand, it was something to do with the times when Toga and I used to be at each other's throats!

Oh and by the way Golani, what did you say? 22 states in decay? I don't think so, the picture is nowhere near as bad as you think, though it can certainly be better!

You bet i'm laughing AraV..........we'll always come through, don't worry, and can you tell me if "Israel is defended by Jesus who won't let it fall again", why did he ever let it fall?

The list below is a recent compilation of the world's 10 richest rulers, 7
of whom are from the "22 Arab states" you talk so disparagingly about.


www. forbes.com

"Muslims Top the World's Richest

Following is a list of heads of state, including kings, queens and
presidents, who are billionaires, according to Forbes magazine. Listings of
the top 10 includes names of eight Muslim emirs, sheikhs, khalifas and
dictators with the name of the country, estimated net worth and source of
wealth.

1 Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah, Brunei, $30 billion, oil, gas, investments.
2 King Fahd Bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, Saudi Arabia, $28 billion, oil,
investments, property.
3 Sheikh Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nayhan, United Arab Emirates, $20 billion, oil,
investments, property.
4 Amir Jaber Al-Ahmed Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, Kuwait, $17 billion, oil,
investments, property.
5 Queen Elizabeth, Britain, $16 billion, investments, property
6 Sheikh Maktoum Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, United Arab Emirates, $12 billion,
oil, investments, services.
7 President Saddam Hussein, Iraq, $6 billion, oil, son controls business.
8 Queen Beatrix, Netherlands, $5.2 billion, investments.
9 Amir Hamad Bin Khalifa Al Thani, Qatar, $5 billion, oil, investments.
10 President Hafez Al-Assad, Syria, $2 billion, oil, agriculture"

taken from www.forbes.com

All that wealth, without lifting a finger......tch tch......Now, what did you say about Allah not loving us??