[Ifroham4]

This is true Abraham was from Ur until Israel came to the promised land... It is also true that no one can claim the homeland of Israel but Israel. It cannot be refuted that "palestine" is just a label to cover over Israel, and they have no claim whatsoever of any land within Israel just for the fact "palestine is a created name. Israel still exists so no need for "palestine".

[Lt_Apple]

*** You can't say that these invented "palestinians" are better organized and more purposeful... What is the purpose of terrorism which many "palestinians" are specialized in?

I can’t speak for the Palestinians, so I don’t know what purpose they’re pursuing. As an outsider, it seems to me they’re pursuing some kind of Hizbullah model. Israel can’t afford a second withdrawl so I don’t think that will work. I think the Palestinians would have done better to make it less personal and more effective: hit economic targets. I don’t know what those are in Israeli terms, water desalination plants, power-stations? Both well-guarded I would think. But a satchel charge will take out a substation, can’t guard all of those. Even a small bomb will put a motorway flyover out of use for a while. Cap a few foreign businessmen at the airport? Use sympathisers in US and Europe to cap a few shareholders and fundmanagers connected with Israeli corporations? But as you say it requires a sense of purpose and an organisation. Not generally Arab traits.

*** Aren't boundries based upon historical Treaties, agreements settled between all parties involved? When did Israel agree to be removed from home? When did Israel agree to have it's name replaced with "palestine"?

You make my point for me. Treaties get signed when the shooting stops. If sides are equally matched (say France and Germany in one of their wars) the terms reflect this - you get screwed but not too much. If one side is overwhelmingly the victor the other side gets completely screwed, e.g. the southern US states vs. the northern states.

A treaty won’t keep anyone safe. The UN designated Srebrenica a safe haven. The Serbs designated it a target. The UN used lawyers sitting in New York and Geneva, the Serbs used tanks sitting down the road. Who do you think won?

*** Finally you said, "I think the tragedy for the Israelis is that they’re a hundred years too late in what they’re trying to do."

*** It's never too late to come home.

Admirable sentiments. Together with 50 cents they might buy you a cup of coffee.

By too late, I mean that the world isn’t what it was when we were setting up our other colonies. Nowadays we Europeans (and I suppose the Americans) get all squeamish when we see a public act of ugliness like Israel. But that’s because we think of the Israelis as being like us. If the Israelis all agreed to wear head-scarves (I forget the Arabic for it) for a few years while they shot demonstrators and bulldozed olive groves, we’d lose interest in no time. Just more crazy foreigners.

[NeroASERCH]

Originally posted by Steve
... For the first time in modern history, Jews have their own homeland, with freedom to practice their religion...and more and more people are turning their backs everyday. Steve,

Maybe part of that exact freedom of religion is for many Israelis to be able to choose a non-Orthodox lifestyle.

Nice Website, btw.

[softy54534]

Originally posted by Steve
Anybody have any ideas how to get more hits? Yes, you're doing the exact right thing by participating in an intelligent manner in this forum (and other related forums, too).

When you post an interesting point of view, you are contributing to this forum and actually also running a free ad for your site, which is an ad of the best kind becuase it shows interesting content and provides a quick link.

But it requires continuity and patience.

Good luck, Steve.

[Lt_Apple]

Originally posted by McSceptic
I think the tragedy for the Israelis is that they’re a hundred years too late in what they’re trying to do. Actually, they're about 10 years too early at the moment.

In 10 years, there will be alternative forms of energy and the world will no longer be blackmailed by Arab oil. I predict that at that time, even Europe will no longer be so eager to justify Arab terrorism, and then there will be a rational solution to the Mideast conflict.

[Fegasderty]

Originally posted by McSceptic
Complacency kills.

Iran will probably have nuclear and ballistic capability within only five years, for instance. True. This is exactly why I hope that the US makes Iran (and its Lebanese missile-monkeys) into the next destination for its war on terrorism.

The complacency towards Iran ever since the Ayatollah and the US hostages in the 80s, is largely responsible for thousands of victims of Islamic terrorism all over the world.