[Lillie_Steins]

Originally posted by takeo
lol
israel didn't destroy buildings of Hamas but buildings of the pa, remember?
But i guess all palestinians are terrorists, so who cares? No, not all Palestinians are terrorists. According to the Palestinians themselves, just the vast majority of them want to mass murder Israelis. Not all.

According to the Jerusalem Media and Communication Center (A Palestinian institution, btw) here is a self-described portrait of the true face of the Palestinian people, to whom Israel is being asked to hand over a huge chunk of the Jewish homeland:

1. a majority (67.5%) supports the military operations as a Palestinian proper response under the current conditions .

2. A majority of Palestinian public (64%) still support the continuation of suicide (martyrdom) operations inside Israel.

3. Regarding the end result of the current Intifada, 48.8% said the ultimate goal of the current Intifada is to end occupation on the basis of UN Security Council resolution 242 and the establishment of the Palestinian state while 39.6% believe that the end goal of the Intifada is to liberate all of historic Palestine.

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So, even though we've heard a bunch of theories from some people on this forum, telling us about the infinite kindness and concern for justice among the Palestinians, the Palestinians themselves tell a different story: 2/3 of the Palestinians support the suicide mass murder of innocent Jewish teens in shopping malls and pizza shops, while 4 out of every 10 Palestinians are fighting not only for a division of land, but for ethnic cleansing of the Jews from the entire state of Israel.

So here you've heard it first hand, from the Palestinians themselves.

[PhillipHer]

Originally posted by takeo
indeed the name of this site Eretzyisroel.org says enough about the source. but still some very interesting questions.
here some more accurate and fact-related questions and answers:
http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html More like comdey hour at the Protocols of the Elders of Zion club.

[radikal]

Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~peters/medina.html

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/meaning.html

http://www.zoa.org/pressrel/20020204b.htm
http://www.zoa.org/pubs/arafat-hatewords.htm
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Portions of selection of articles, reprinted by permission of the publisher. Joan Peters has written and
lectured widely on the Middle East, Central America, and the Soviet Union. She has contributed to
Harper's, Commentary, The New Republic, The New Leader, and other periodicals, and was a White
House consultant on the Middle East in 1977.

YOU WILL FIND THE FOLLOWING ARTICLES :::::: http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~peters/mythology.html

Politically motivated mythology of "Palestine"

After the destruction of the Temple, the Jews fled to Arabia

Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"

Continuous Jewish Presence in the "Holy Land"

Religious Persecution of Jews by Arabs

Throwing Stones at Jews is based in Ancient Islamic Ritual

Palestine was inhabited by a mixed population

Palestine, a land virtually laid waste with little population

Bareness and oppression of Palestine due to feudal system of taxes by absentee Arab Landowners

The Myth of Palestinian Nationalism, narrowly defined, anti-Semitism

The proposed 1938 & 2001 partitions of Western Palestine & The British Policy of Appeasement

Palestinian Refugees, invited to leave in 1948

How many Palestinians Refugees? inflating the numbers

Arab-Jewish Refugees, the other Middle Eastern Refugee problem

Exchange of Populations

Why are Palestinian Refugees treated differently than all other refugees in the world?

Palestinian Refugees, unlike other refugees in the world, were denied resettlement opportunities, for political reasons

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Bin Laden isn't a Palestinian but a Saoudi, nor is he supported by the majority of Arabs.

"Where did you get this distorted information from? The majority of Israelis has always supported peace with the Arabs, even till today. Although some Israelis dream of sending the palestinians back to their first Palestinians state of Jordan, no Israeli, so far as I know, has aspired to occupation. Only self-defense and a negotiated political peace agreement. "

That is bs, you aren't israeli but you support occupation, and you even favor etnic cleansing of palestinians from the westbank and gaza, and i believe many Israeli share your opinion, at least a majority voted for Likud and even more extremist parties who opposed to any peace-plan which would make an end to occupation. The leader of shas even called for the physical extermination of all Palestinians.




"This sounds like more excuses to justify Arab massacres of Jews, by blaming the victim, not the murderer. "

who is victim and who is murderer? In this case more palestinians have been murdered by israel than vice versa.





"No, not at all. Arafat supports, incites, trains, and arms the Arab mass murderers. He is a sub-human mass murderer of Jewish children, nothing more. "

Did you take any drugs? this is the most distorted portrait of arafat i ever heard, have you actually any fact to proove this, besides of course the office of Sharon or the mossad? if you said "arafat doesn't do enough to stop the terrorists operating on his soil" i could still somehow understand your point. Arafat represents the part of palestinian society that want peace with israel(48.8% in your source, i believe it is more), but not on exclusively israeli conditions.





"You must not have read this correctly. According to the Palestinians temselves, 4 out of every 10 Palestinians are fighting not only for a division of land, but for ethnic cleansing of the Jews from the entire state of Israel. "

well, according to you 49% actually recognised israel in its borders

[doctorzlo]

"Well actually untill recently a majority of israeli supported the occupation and oppression in the occupied territories,"

Where did you get this distorted information from? The majority of Israelis has always supported peace with the Arabs, even till today. Although some Israelis dream of sending the palestinians back to their first Palestinians state of Jordan, no Israeli, so far as I know, has aspired to occupation. Only self-defense and a negotiated political peace agreement.



"so that can explain this hard and sometimes unreasonable opinions (as well as the suicide-attacks can explain the support for fascists like Sharon or bibi in Israel)."

This sounds like more excuses to justify Arab massacres of Jews, by blaming the victim, not the murderer.



"So you have to agree with me that Arafat represents the moderate face of palestine."

No, not at all. Arafat supports, incites, trains, and arms the Arab mass murderers. He is a sub-human mass murderer of Jewish children, nothing more.



"Yet even in this hard times, according to your statistics, a majority of palestinians agree to give up 3 quarters of their original lands."

You must not have read this correctly. According to the Palestinians temselves, 4 out of every 10 Palestinians are fighting not only for a division of land, but for ethnic cleansing of the Jews from the entire state of Israel.

btw - how do you think they would like to accomplish this miraculous disappearance of the Jews? By saying hocus pocus? By rubbing the lantern and making a wish from the Genie in Tales of Arabian Nights? What is your guess?

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

"That is bs, you aren't israeli but you support occupation, and you even favor etnic cleansing of palestinians from the westbank and gaza, and i believe many Israeli share your opinion"

I don't support occupation. I support a resolution of the conflict.

But I do wish for the Palestinians to leave Israel and go back to their first Palestinian state of Jordan, where they can live freely and have a government as corrupt as they want, have a high rate of illiteracy and Islamic extremism as they want, without any Israelis being killed. That would be the perfect solution, IMHO, although sadly, I realize that this preferred scenario is unlikely to happen.

That's why I support a peace agreement that will result in a second Palestinian state that is totally separated from Israel with a defensible international border to stop Palestinians terrorists from inflitrating Israel.



"who is victim and who is murderer? In this case more palestinians have been murdered by israel than vice versa."

So what? The Palestinians are the mass murderers and the Israeli children being murdered in cold blood as they sit at a pizza store are the victims. don't know why this reality is so hard for you to grasp.



" this is the most distorted portrait of arafat i ever heard, have you actually any fact to proove this, besides of course the office of Sharon or the mossad?"

Of course there is tons of proof. 50 tons of heavy weapons bought by Arafat to mass murder Israeli citizens.

Also, Tanzim murderers like Marwan Barghouti are PA officials, who admit freely that they are responsible for suicide bombings.

Moreoever, offices of the Hamas stand proudly in every PA-controlled neighborhood.

Then, to top it all off, Arafat refuses to arrest the murderers of Rehavam Zeevi, while Palestinian guards let Hamas and Hizbullah terrorists walk out of prison by the dozen.