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Old 06-09-2012, 05:09 PM   #1
BoattyGonm

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Default The God Dilemma
Hey guys, I have something big to share; I have solved the so-called God Dilemma - It's very simple, actually.

The debate on whether God exists or not has been going on since the creation of language, and has yet to be solved; the reason for this is because the God Dilemma has nothing to do with God at all, and all to do with language - More specifically, an inherent flaw in the mechanism of language that creates the problem in the first place. In order to illustrate what I mean, lets replace the word God with another word that creates the same effect:

Does silence exist, or does silence not exist?

Ofcourse, when I put it like this, it sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? You can say yes, silence does exist, or no, silence does not exist; either way, you're ultimately not talking about silence at all, you're talking about the syntax of language!

Silence is treated as if it were a noun, as if it were a thing, but it's not; silence is the lack of a thing, of a sound - silence is emptiness; hence the entire dilemma in the first place! It's because of a language barrier and nothing more!

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Old 09-07-2012, 05:22 PM   #2
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Dear Ourselves

I'm not whatsoever convinced that you have solved the hoary philosophical question/dilemma over the existence or non-existence of "God."

I'm familiar with a similar illustration that successfully deals with light and darkness. The point is made that there exists a Science of Light, namely "Optics," while on the other hand there is no equivalent science possible concerning Darkness.

It so happened that I recently got slammed over the God question because I refused to try to capture the nature of god in only two sentences....Problem is, which god?

Take your pick!

SNIP....................
Oneness
Main articles: Monotheism and Henotheism
Monotheists hold that there is only one god, and may claim that the one true god is worshiped in different religions under different names. The view that all theists actually worship the same god, whether they know it or not, is especially emphasized in Hinduism[18] and Sikhism.[19]
Islam's most fundamental concept is tawhīd (meaning "oneness" or "uniqueness"). God is described in the Qur'an as: "Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him."[20][21] Muslims repudiate the Christian doctrine of the Trinity and divinity of Jesus, comparing it to polytheism. In Islam, God is beyond all comprehension or equal and does not resemble any of his creations in any way. Thus, Muslims are not iconodules, and are not expected to visualize God.[22]
Henotheism is the belief and worship of a single god while accepting the existence or possible existence of other deities.[citation needed]
Theism, deism and pantheism
Main articles: Theism, Deism, and Pantheism
Theism generally holds that God exists realistically, objectively, and independently of human thought; that God created and sustains everything; that God is omnipotent and eternal; personal and interacting with the universe through for example religious experience and the prayers of humans.[23] It holds that God is both transcendent and immanent; thus, God is simultaneously infinite and in some way present in the affairs of the world.[24] Not all theists subscribe to all the above propositions, but usually a fair number of them, c.f., family resemblance.[23] Catholic theology holds that God is infinitely simple and is not involuntarily subject to time. Most theists hold that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent, although this belief raises questions about God's responsibility for evil and suffering in the world. Some theists ascribe to God a self-conscious or purposeful limiting of omnipotence, omniscience, or benevolence. Open Theism, by contrast, asserts that, due to the nature of time, God's omniscience does not mean the deity can predict the future. "Theism" is sometimes used to refer in general to any belief in a god or gods, i.e., monotheism or polytheism.[25][26]
Deism holds that God is wholly transcendent: God exists, but does not intervene in the world beyond what was necessary to create it.[24] In this view, God is not anthropomorphic, and does not literally answer prayers or cause miracles to occur. Common in Deism is a belief that God has no interest in humanity and may not even be aware of humanity. Pandeism and Panendeism, respectively, combine Deism with the Pantheistic or Panentheistic beliefs discussed below.[citation needed]
Pantheism holds that God is the universe and the universe is God, whereas Panentheism holds that God contains, but is not identical to, the Universe; the distinctions between the two are subtle...but most important! It is also the view of the Liberal Catholic Church, Theosophy, some views of Hinduism except Vaishnavism which believes in panentheism, Sikhism, some divisions of Neopaganism and Taoism, along with many varying denominations and individuals within denominations. Kabbalah, Jewish mysticism, paints a pantheistic/panentheistic view of God - which has wide acceptance in Hasidic Judaism, particularly from their founder The Baal Shem Tov - but only as an addition to the Jewish view of a personal god, not in the original pantheistic sense that denies or limits persona to God.[citation needed]
Other concepts
Dystheism, which is related to theodicy is a form of theism ......snip

For the record, I favor the basic PanENtheist model...My Traditional Catholic
friend responds that I'm not only dead wrong but obviously possessed, my BB son slams me for being a blasphemer (but which particular definition of blasphemy from so very many listed?)

Hey! The highest and best good for all concerned!! Luv! old billybob (often wrong, but always well-wishing!)
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:35 PM   #3
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We are light,
God is love,
All are one.

Is light a wave or a particle?
Is love a thought, a feeling or a presence?
Is the entire universe entangled or isolated?

To me the question is only in your own local reality.
Opening to the universe as one, you see that you simply asking for proof of your own existance.
What does it mean to know thy self?
Are you the point where infinity crosses itself?
How are you here but not here?

The question of God is as simple as the question of Awareness.
What is Awareness?
How can I be and see? Either I see or I be? Where does that bridge cross?

The heart? Center of love? Seat of God?
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