[Mearticbaibre]

proving ra incorrect isn't the game here, it's about considering why ra has not just come right out and explained everything.

perhaps, as i have suggested before, ra's responses to our questioning are artfully designed to serve as promptings for us to be inspired to do our own homework. in any case, i live in the moment and i'm not emotionally invested in 'figuring' out my future, or the future of anyone else. i feel that even though much is given by the ra, much is withheld so as to protect our free will in the face of our necessary mystery, and to spur our continued exploration of mystery so as to find love in the moment which lies at the root of all. this robot has love, and loving sensibilities. i am my body, amongst other things... i love my body, and accept it as an intrinsic part of me. mark

[Eugen80]

one thing in relationship to all this that we may wish to consider is the ra-sourced and perplexing complication of the current harvest event; that at this historical juncture the planet shall no longer continue to host third density, unlike previous harvest junctures of this grand cycle.

i'm not sure where the interpretation got drawn that the planet would instantaneously stop hosting third density. as i recall the process will involve the creation of appropriate incarnation vehicle through bisexual reproduction evolution which would mean the simultaneous hosting of third density, followed by increasingly modified third density toward fourth density bodies, until the eventual production of fourth density appropriate bodies.

densities one, two, and three co-exist here, and may not require separation of experiential harvest, even as previous harvest events might not require discrete differentiation of density separation.

we definitely have the three densities one, two, and three in coexistence at this time. we will have moving forward the co-existence of one, two, three [more and more modified], and eventually evolve into probably, don't know for sure, some combination of at least one, two, and four. remembering that every density has many sub-densities then there will be some low four that is barely out of three. we know from ra that the evolution from two to three wasn't discrete as the preparation of the appropriate incarnation vehicles for third occurred over a generation and one-half minimum. you would also have to think that the answer was given to as how long did it take for the evolution of the 3d type body not how long did it take the planet to go from total topside of two to predominately three.

given the pronouncements of the ra, and the scenario of the separation of experience between third and fourth, we are left with imagining a scenario wherein we shall soon, in terms of the grand @ 75,000 year cycle, no longer be here. if, as ra states, fourth density is electrically incompatible with third, and the planet will be fully fourth density by 2011 - 2013, may we take it as being suggested that harvest is imminent; and that the 100 - 700 year experience with transition may take place in some other place than where we are now?

i need to go back and refresh on the exact wording ra used when some of the key time frames were given. i have found 5th and 6th density communications are usually quite literal but you have to allow for distortion derived from the instrument or channel and for the context in which the question was asked. barring misunderstanding of the question being asked the answer is derived from taking the question quite literally in most cases. i think what has most confused is not the loo material but trying to integrate materials derived from other sources into the loo material. in question 1.8 don asks about the coming planetary changes and ra responds "the changes are very, very trivial. we do not concern ourselves with the conditions which bring about harvest". the changes to ra are trivial but that probably isn't the case for most people on this planet. what is of import though is the delivery of the phrase "conditions which bring about harvest". it is a tell-tale phrase that says there will be those that are harvested due to the changes that are to occur. now here is room for speculation as to whether the changes are physical changes or are they energetic changes.

i wonder if time/space considerations hold a key to figuring this out for ourselves. again, i welcome alternate suggestions, even as this harvest seems unlike the rest. mark

the only figuring out ourselves that would be needed is in the cases where don failed to adequately ask sufficient questions to thoroughly probe an area of interest. i don't find this harvest to be unlike the rest except in the sourcing of the incarnation entities destined to initially use the 4d bodies that are created through bisexual reproduction evolution. in the 2 to 3 shift the incarnation entities were supplimented heavily by entities other than those ascending directly from terra based 2d.

i'll get back to finishing up on the time frames after i refresh myself on the details.

asa

[ZenDers]

proving ra incorrect isn't the game here, it's about considering why ra has not just come right out and explained everything.

perhaps, as i have suggested before, ra's responses to our questioning are artfully designed to serve as promptings for us to be inspired to do our own homework. in any case, i live in the moment and i'm not emotionally invested in 'figuring' out my future, or the future of anyone else. i feel that even though much is given by the ra, much is withheld so as to protect our free will in the face of our necessary mystery, and to spur our continued exploration of mystery so as to find love in the moment which lies at the root of all. this robot has love, and loving sensibilities. i am my body, amongst other things... i love my body, and accept it as an intrinsic part of me. mark

if there is one thing that i have learned during this "awakening" process, it is that, as you said, we need to do our own homework. words don't teach, only experience does. we have to actually practice things and not just read about them. learn about meditation and then meditate. meditation, for example, has been shown for centuries to be the way to connect to the higher mind to gain wisdom and inspiration. most thought, "oh, he/she is the chosen one who 'speaks with god' and i am unworthy." sitting in complete silence without thought is not some kind of voodoo. it is a mechanism of the universe that we have the ability (if we can turn the tv off) to fully connect to... with practice.

although i must admit that the subject of 3rd to 4th density and 4th to 5th dimension shifts is new for me, but having practiced this "voodoo" i see and feel the results which have opened my mind to a world that i now see has been carefully veiled yet always hinted to. indeed the truth at the heart of it is love. if you practice unconditional love (and yes it does take practice—we've been conditioned away from it for quite some time), amazing things will begin to happen in your life. tapping the frequency of this energy we describe as love, which is around us everywhere, we create free energy machines that cannot be metered or sold to us. just like us all, it's free.

it's quite amazing that weather you're learning about meditation, quantum physics, reiki healing, reading ancient scriptures, discovering ancient pyramid technology, etc., etc., etc.,... it all points to love. it's not just an ooey gooey feeling, it's a universal principal. a principal, which without full understanding, has us banging our heads against the wall trying to figure out who's right and who's wrong. the beauty is we are all right for we all desire truth on whatever level resonates with us. and the more we accept the views of others as what they are—their views, not yours—we will get closer and closer to the unity that is woven through it all. call it the unified field theory, string theory, christ consciousness, or whatever, it's all talking about the same thing, a sort of higher mind interpreted through these masses of meat we call brains which act as filters of belief. we are all talking about the same thing yet most argue about which is right.

[Garry Richardson]

it's quite amazing that weather you're learning about meditation, quantum physics, reiki healing, reading ancient scriptures, discovering ancient pyramid technology, etc., etc., etc.,... it all points to love. it's not just an ooey gooey feeling, it's a universal principal. a principal, which without full understanding, has us banging our heads against the wall trying to figure out who's right and who's wrong. the beauty is we are all right for we all desire truth on whatever level resonates with us. and the more we accept the views of others as what they are—their views, not yours—we will get closer and closer to the unity that is woven through it all. call it the unified field theory, string theory, christ consciousness, or whatever, it's all talking about the same thing, a sort of higher mind interpreted through these masses of meat we call brains which act as filters of belief. we are all talking about the same thing yet most argue about which is right.

i like this a lot paul! it's right on track! for the searching people in today's world love really is the answer.

[__CVineXPharm__]

before i get back to addressing mark's original post let me take a short side trip for purposes of adding to the discussion of what is coming and perhaps add thought to why death will play a role.

48.5 questioner: thank you. that clears up that point very well. can you tell me how positive and negative polarizations in fourth and fifth density are used to cause working in consciousness?

ra: i am ra. there is very little work in consciousness in fourth and in fifth densities compared to the work done in third density. the work that is accomplished in positive fourth is that work whereby the positive social memory complex, having, through slow stages, harmoniously integrated itself, goes forth to aid those of less positive orientation which seek their aid. thus their service is their work and through this dynamic between the societal self and the other-self, which is the object of love, greater and greater intensities of understanding or compassion are attained. this intensity continues until the appropriate intensity of the light may be welcomed. this is fourth-density harvest.

within fourth-density positive there are minor amounts of catalyst of a spiritual and mental complex distortion. this occurs during the process of harmonizing to the extent of forming the social memory complex. this causes some small catalyst and work to occur, but the great work of fourth density lies in the contact betwixt the societal self and less polarized other-self.

in fourth-density negative much work is accomplished during the fighting for position which precedes the period of the social memory complex. there are opportunities to polarize negatively by control of other-selves. during the social memory complex period of fourth-density negative the situation is the same. the work takes place through the societal reaching out to less polarized otherself in order to aid in negative polarization.

in fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.

in positive, the fifth-density complex uses sixth-density teach/learners to study the more illuminated understandings of unity thus becoming more and more wise. fifth-density positive social memory complexes will choose to divide their service to others in two ways: first, the beaming of light to creation; second, the sending of groups to be of aid as instruments of light such as those whom you are familiar with through channels.

in fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom. there are very, very few fifth-density negative wanderers for they fear the forgetting. there are very, very few fifth-density orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves. note: i included all of the question and answer but for me the response on the sts is of little or no importance.

ra in this answer provides much revelation to the inner workings of 4d and 5d. we can see that it is 3d only where an individual's consciousness can be honed to the point of being able to operate within a 4d environment. if one is to achieve "graduation" or "harvest" into 4d then the only way of achieving such "graduation" or "harvest" is to acquire the consciousness necessary for 4d. without the consciousness to work at least at 51% orientation toward other-selves then each self would find difficulty in melding into the social memory complex. take, if you will, an individual who is at this time still below the threshold. that individual would still for all intents and purposes be on a path of "what can i get out of this" such an attitude amongst a group whose social memory projection is more toward what is for the betterment of all would cause much discord, disharmony, and distortion. allowable distortion would be an individual self whose aspiration toward the "best for the whole" is not as great as either the average for the social memory complex or not as great as the highest aspiration found within the social memory complex. this distortion would be sympathetic to the whole but not necessarily able to be totally congruent with the social memory complex. it is through "slow stages" that the social memory complex achieves harmonious integration and then after integration 4d is able to assist others that are less positively oriented [social memory complexes that lack an average 51% or better]. in 4d it is the interaction between the social memory complex and those other selves being assisted that allows growth in understanding and compassion which leads to 5d harvest.

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[Zjohkrbi]

[continued from previous post]

please note that for this to work as deemed then those who were still in 3d that had not achieved a minimal 51% would have to move into existence within another 3d environment to continue their growth at the time of 4d transition. it would be energetically inefficient for transition to 4d for any self who was not at least 51% as the distortion would be so great that the movement necessary forward toward the "slow stages" of integration as to make progress extremely difficult. we can see, from what we know that 4d consists of, that those who would be uplifted by the current energetic increases most beneficially will be those who have achieved the ability to increase consciousness to a level that the increase will provide the initial ability to integrate social memory complex sufficiently for melding into a singular group oriented focus.

what then would be the catalyst for such a drastic change from the existing planetary group focus, that is far less than on the needs of the group, to one that is on the needs of the group? due to the massive numbers of those that would be "hindrances", it is my perception that such catalyst would necessarily need to remove large numbers of those that would try to pervert any "gifts" received for energy production, transportation, etc., to self gain or would try to work not for the whole but again for self gain. such catalyst would tend to serve two purposes one would be the removal of hindrances of progress toward a 4d social memory complex and the other would be to hasten the formation of such a complex by an environment conducive to those remaining to form the nucleus of a group focused "caretaker team". such initial focus i perceive will begin within reality small groups such as neighborhoods or other groupings that will lend itself well to those within the group contributing through their highest and best talents and skills. once the initial level of group focus takes hold in the small groups then these will join into a larger "society" group of several small groups slowly forming eventually a planetary social memory complex. this slow teach/learning process will be aided by the changes in abilities by the inflowing energies that will occur over the following generations.

once the initial trending toward such a complex begins then the "raising" of ensuing generations within that trending should push the social memory complex further and further toward a gelling of the harmonious integration of intent, desire and focus. the foundation of the ensuing generations would be the "harvested" individual consciousnesses of those 4d "qualified" but not designated as part of the "caretaker team". those "qualified" but "not designated" would integrate all 3d lessons and karmic requirements in preparation for movement into 4d incarnation. with each generation becoming more and more 4d ability enhanced.

the efforts to create an uncertainty about the coming changes is perceived by me to be caused by the embracement of a preference of an uncertain future for all than to the alternative of embracing a certainty that there will be those loved ones who will not possibly be continuing on in the same growth cycles. however, as the old saying is "it's not over 'til the fat lady sings" so there is always the possibility that if the loved one isn't one of those furtherest from 4d preparedness and is "harvested" early in the harvest that they can achieve the knowledge and consciousness necessary from the awareness opportunities generated by the harvest catalyst.

asa

[Belindanan]

i appreciate fully the suggested possible means of unfoldment of an emerging fourth density, which you present with obvious well thought out sincerity. it's a wonderful vision of yours, and may well contain large elements which turn out to be the experience of many at this time of transition. mark

[Xzmwskxn]

mark,

yes that is correct it is my vision based upon my knowledge and my experience. each is free to accept or not accept as to their resonance. i offer it only in love as alternative avenue for thought. without presentation of alternatives one can be trapped by the rut of acceptance of only that which one encounters as truth if they only encounter one possibility. explanations of why the thought has manifested itself in the manner presented often opens doors to pathways that would not have been evident without the explanation.

asa

[dxpfmP0l]

mark,

btw, i want to thank you for providing the platform for the expansion of the ideas presented. otherwise, the unfolding would not take place without the input of varying visions and concepts. it is through these give and takes that the opportunity is provided for others to grow at least to the expansion that those participating in the give and take have achieved.

asa

[vTLWqa1l]

i like what you have to say about the body being only a vessel, and the spirit, higher self, consciousness, etc is the driver. do you or anyone here know of any research related to such? perhaps persons declared clinically dead, die and come back with information they could not possibly have obtained.

such as information that did not exist while they were alive. them returning with the new information they could not possibly of obtain by any other means than an existence of a higher self?

[twiffatticy]

do you or anyone here know of any research related to such? perhaps persons declared clinically dead, die and come back with information they could not possibly have obtained.

you can do a google search for information on the research project at the university of virginia concerning children under 6 having verifiable memories of prior lives. they have records derived from 1200 cases of such memories.

asa

[medio]

i will try to express my perspective through the use of the car analogy.

the car is completely limited to expressing itself as a car. any driver may enter.

the question i have is how much does the car actually relate to the driver? does the car define itself by the driver inside? once the driver leaves the car, is the memory of being a car part of the driver?

it is my perspective that the car is only a car when it is expressing itself as a car. no matter how much the car would like to think it is the driver, it will never be the driver. it only knows how to express the driver through its abilities as a car. i think when the driver steps out of the car, the car vanishes. it never was the driver, and what it expresses as itself ends with the driver stepping out. it was an illusion. it never really had consciousness. it only had the mechanics to create and define the word consciousness.

in my mind, the "driver" is electricity. the "car" is our biology. the engine assembly, or combustion, is the idea of "consciousness".

[MackBranon]

the question i have is how much does the car actually relate to the driver? does the car define itself by the driver inside? once the driver leaves the car, is the memory of being a car part of the driver?

from my perspective you have a good grasp of the concept of a higher self being what you truly are and how that concept relates to the physical body. as for the quoted portion it would appear to me that the car [physical body] only relates to the driver [higher self] as a means to get from one place to another [mobility] and to experience what there is to experience while using the car [physical body]. these cars [physical bodies] come equipped with some specialized sensor units [five physical senses plus emotions] that allows the driver to experience the outer environment similar to the tire sensor, outside temperature indicator, etc. in a car does.

how much would the car relate to the driver, imo only to the extent that the make, model, color, and options reflects the driver's taste in cars. does the car define the driver, no, the car is merely a car and is representative first of it being either an svu, sedan, hardtop, etc., [male or female] and second as a particular model of the brand [culture, race, tribe, family, etc.] so the car itself isn't reflective of the driver inside at all except to the extent of the driver's preference of make, model, color, options, etc. once the driver leaves the car [physical body] the fact that the driver owned the car doesn't stay with the driver but where the driver went and what the driver was able to accomplish through the use of the car would stay with the driver with perhaps some lingering memory of the simple ownership of a particular make, model, color, etc., car but usually with forgetfulness of the problems and troubles experienced with the car. the car being simply an external tool that gives the driver mobility accompanied by the ability to experience whatever there was found to be to experience during the trip.

this is simply the way i conceive of the process.

asa

[movlabk]

once the driver leaves the car [physical body] the fact that the driver owned the car doesn't stay with the driver but where the driver went and what the driver was able to accomplish through the use of the car would stay with the driver with perhaps some lingering memory of the simple ownership of a particular make, model, color, etc., car but usually with forgetfulness of the problems and troubles experienced with the car. the car being simply an external tool that gives the driver mobility accompanied by the ability to experience whatever there was found to be to experience during the trip.

this is simply the way i conceive of the process.

asa

asa, i really resonate with the distinction offered here between the vehicle itself and the accomplishments of the driver, having worn out so many cars in my time yet it's what the cars facilitated with my adventures in this life as it's the adventures and experiences that count. at certain times i've utilized a truck, other times a large car with necessary seating capacity for six, etc.

i've fancied myself this time around as somewhat of a sleek '67 'stang gt convertible, but in recent years i'm feeling more like a vw minivan with a spare tire hanging from the undercarriage...

nice to see you back, 12th! missed you. i'm reminded of similar convos we've enjoyed in the past! mark

[movlabz]

hi, guys...gals, etc

i think the comparison of an inanimate auto to a human body is rather lame.

as i understand it the human soul entering a body (a second density creature in its own right) is a much different undertaking than sliding into the seat of a corvette and turning the key. the human body is a wonder of design...a supreme
learning vehicle for the soul...trust me...a lot of ets envy us for being blessed with such a cosmically-renown, super-nifty and all around wonderful tool.

but, there is someone else already sitting in the drivers seat..the natural, second density inhabitant! neanderthal ned. (just joshing a bit)

there needs to be a vital blending process accomplished between the two would- be sovereign inhabitants into a sharing partnership.

sometimes the incumbent native ends up running the show...that is not supposed to happen...but does...and in a minor sense all hell breaks loose.

the main thing is that the spirit must blend with the animated body. and when the time comes for it to move on...elements of "junior" goes along also. i think.

now what really ticks me off is for the incoming soul to treat the body with such hatred and disdain...think of some up-tight monk beating the hell out of the bod.. starving it, mutilating it...whipping it into obedience...that is insane!!! be nice to it..treat it like a high maintenance but beloved bently...change the plugs, run it on hi-octane...get it serviced, wash off the bugs, don't over-rev it or peel rubber showing off drag racing.

give it a loving pat on the hood after a nice drive...

of course some of us get junkers from some previous demolition derby. karma, you know. but comes great gain from taking on such a learning experience.

further more i must confess....this is not the bill in bbb writing this -- it is the poor, dumb 2nd density inhabitant that struggles to get along with him...will he ever be surprised when he wakes up!!!! (:>)) yep! he! he!

[neerewed]

hey bbb,

i love your humor. i do agree with you the body as represented by the ego/conscious mind should not ever be in control but that happens because of the way existence in this 3d experience is constructed. the analogy of the auto is used because like mark pointed out it is something that some people can relate to quite easily. it is offered as simply a help for some who are struggling to clearly see how that what is tugging at their heart strings can truly be correct. i know from my experience that it was a tough spot to get through, the repudiation of the idea that i was the physical body and the personality that had been formed by my conscious mind/ego. i figure if it was a struggle for me then it will be a struggle for somebody else and maybe if i throw what helped me out there they will have less of a struggle than i did.

as for being abusive to the physical body, that happens as well in this 3d existence. there were times when i was younger that this body caught a fair amount of abuse. i don't know how much prior generations may have been disrespectful to their physical bodies but from my generation on i can say with a fair amount of authority that there are certain years during the growing up/maturing process that it does catch "hell".

asa

[SkeniaInhilla]

does the car define the driver, no, the car is merely a car and is representative first of it being either an svu, sedan, hardtop, etc., [male or female] and second as a particular model of the brand [culture, race, tribe, family, etc.] so the car itself isn't reflective of the driver inside at all except to the extent of the driver's preference of make, model, color, options, etc. once the driver leaves the car [physical body] the fact that the driver owned the car doesn't stay with the driver but where the driver went and what the driver was able to accomplish through the use of the car would stay with the driver with perhaps some lingering memory of the simple ownership of a particular make, model, color, etc., car but usually with forgetfulness of the problems and troubles experienced with the car. the car being simply an external tool that gives the driver mobility accompanied by the ability to experience whatever there was found to be to experience during the trip.

this is simply the way i conceive of the process.

asa

i am personally trying to grasp the distinction between the car and driver. i see a vast difference between the two. the driver doesn't have metal part, hinges, wheels, pistons, spark plugs, etc. the car would only know and define the driver by some 'odd occurrence' (ignition switch) that makes its 'heart' beat. it defines the driver by purely indirect inference based entirely on the actions of its car parts. then, when the driver steps out, the driver wasn't privy to all the feelings and experiences the car went through on the journey because the driver is something different than a car altogether.

when i try to grasp this, i come to the conclusion that when the spirit 'floats' away, it isn't a 'consciousness bubble' but more of a 'painting' of electrical impulses, or imprints of past/present/future.


hi mark hi bbb :d

[Atmotteenrift]

i am personally trying to grasp the distinction between the car and driver. i see a vast difference between the two. the driver doesn't have metal part, hinges, wheels, pistons, spark plugs, etc. the car would only know and define the driver by some 'odd occurrence' (ignition switch) that makes its 'heart' beat. it defines the driver by purely indirect inference based entirely on the actions of its car parts. then, when the driver steps out, the driver wasn't privy to all the feelings and experiences the car went through on the journey because the driver is something different than a car altogether.

when i try to grasp this, i come to the conclusion that when the spirit 'floats' away, it isn't a 'consciousness bubble' but more of a 'painting' of electrical impulses, or imprints of past/present/future.

i can only share with you from my perspective but perhaps it might help. confusion can arise until a person totally embraces that the driver [higher self] is not the car and is simply utilizing the car [physical body] to further its own growth through experiencing in the physical. a further refinement could possibly be necessary in some cases to get "over the hump" in having the "eyes" opened to the possibilities. such a refinement would have to encompass the acknowledgement that you are an energetic physical being that has no ability to directly experience a physical event. that in reality you could perhaps, as a visionary tool only, envision yourself as an intelligent magnetic energy. as a magnetic energy you could "reach" out and influence things but you would have no ability to partake in an event through physical touch, smell, taste, vision or hearing. to do so would require you to use some other method other than direct interaction. such a method would be to use a physical body. the physical is designed so that all of the inputs from the "physical senses" and the "emotional system" is converted into electrical signals. electrical currents or signals create magnetic fields. the higher self being in this scenario being a magnetic energy, the magnetic fields generated by the electrical signals would produce an interaction or effects within the higher self transferring the results of the "experiencing of the event" to the higher self. the body, nor the car in the analogy, defines you at all. it is merely reflective of my preferences for this lifetime only. the body i chose for this lifetime is representative of what my preferences were for the vehicle i would use for this contract nothing more. it is not directly representative of my higher self at all. imagine a blob of swirling colors about the size of a beach ball that is more intelligent than any physical body on the planet and you will have my vision of me. i could go into all cans of images and analogies of how i have come to know what i am but that's what it took for me. it is up to you to find what it is that will lead you to a similar place. all that any of us other-selves can do is provide you some markers and sign posts from our paths that will provide input to cause you to explore and investigate until you arrive at your own place.

do not allow yourself to get too hung up on the analogies any of us find helpful. take only from those analogies what you find that which helps make things clearer avoid, if you can, the tendency to try to see it completely as others might. somewhere in your personal search you will find the "keys" that will help you to grasp knowledge necessary to see clearly what you are. once you arrive at that point you will be more able to see it as others might see it. i have found it helpful to use "sticking points" as subjects for meditation/contemplation during which i take the elements giving me problems and turn them every way i can. this often leads me to new "revelations" that were hidden to me before.

good hunting and may you be extremely successful in your seeking.

asa

[johnsonjunior]

mark,

given your insights, i'd say, then, that this 3d experience is more like an actor taking on a role, putting on a costume. as the bard wrote, "all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages."

it's verses like this that make me feel that shakespeare was esoterically enlightened or at least had some direct connection to source. our whole consciousness takes on many parts in its passage through the densities. any actor must separate and distill parts of who he or she truly is into the role that is being played at the time. when the show is over, the costume and make-up come off and the actor is back to his or her true self again. often, when portraying a difficult role, the actor is relieved to "come back to reality" so to speak, to re-join that one piece of the self he or she has used in the playing of the role with all of the other pieces that make up his or her personality.

at any rate, i have to agree with brother asa: death ought not to be mourned. it should be celebrated for what it is--a soul completing its work, taking off the facade, and becoming whole again.

in love and light,

fatima al zahra

[Pwy9egVW]

conversations/discussions of matters of fluff and nice to know information is necessary as they provide opportunity for increasing one’s joy factor and “lightness”. however, true growth and expansion come from teach/learn threads such as this one. the sharing of perspective and view of various aspects of the “ascension toward harvestability” process encourages the research to acquire further knowledge whether done to refute the shared perception or to gain more knowledge concerning the perception/view propounded. whether a propoundment in the end turns out for you as resonant or non-resonant every post plays a role in some manner the growth of everyone that come upon it.

all of the comments to this thread have played and will contain to play as great sources of knowledge that points the way toward a larger knowledge of the aspects of 3d functioning.

mark’s further delving into the subject itself reveals what it is like pursuing the knowledge of the “realities” or “functionality” of 3d and what is likely to be a possible outcome of that pursuit. apophis’ expansion on the analogy of the automobile is excellent. the questioning of why would you order a “customized” vehicle and then “forget” what the real aspects of the vehicle was brings to the forefront the primary purpose of forgetfulness. that purpose is, of course, the creation of the environment where the amount of interactive experiencing that comes from the discovery of what your “customized” vehicle is really like and how is it used to best and highest advantage is maximized. sadly, not all will gain mastery of the vehicle of their choice.

as for fatimah, within your role that you are playing in this drama that is 3d, you have played a significant catalyst in my part of the drama. you delivered a line or two that has significance in how my part is unfolding. you see, some 45 years ago as a hs senior my subject for the graduation required english project was a work entitled “the life and an analysis of the complete theatrical works of shakespeare”. i cannot recall when this memory was last brought to the forefront but yet after so many years here it is. the body of the work consisted of an analysis of every theatrical work written by shakespeare in the terms of the moral lessons that resided within each, how it was manifested through the story line and dialog, and how it was conveyed through the general entertainment received by audiences.

it is humorous in hindsight to see how blind i was to the deeper meanings that is contained throughout the works attributed to shakespeare. but with great delight, i find that if i truly look with open eyes the entire process of my life from the very beginning has been as if unseen hands were guiding and directing it to arrive at where it is today. your interaction has provided another rung up on answering some nagging personal questions concerning details intimate to this life steam.

i agree with you, fatimah, that there is more than mere coincidence in the manner how references in shakespeare's work can be seen, in the “light” of awakening, to the true story of 3d. i also applaud you for providing a “shining” example of how each of us, even through the most minor of contact, can play significant roles in the escalating global consciousness simply by effecting the increasing consciousness of other-selves [sto] one by one.

brother asa