[HonjUopu]

i've noticed all kinds of references in many forms of media lately. i know some of it is indeed disinformation and some of it is letting a few pieces of the puzzle out to the public. although not all of it really is anyone trying to directly say this is the truth. like musicians can be channeling a message without really knowing it.

japanese manga and animation does seem to have plenty of good information and they can also be fun to watch and read. one series that actually inspires me is naruto, most of it is action based ninja battling and stuff and at times comes off very silly. although the main character fights with love and friendship, he seeks to stop the cycle of hatred. in some situations he goes into a calm meditative state and channels life energy from around him to give him heightened abilities.

i feel it relates because as we enter a new age, we will learn to break out of the grip of the power elites ways of fear, violence, hate, and war. i would love to write more but i am getting really tired. so i will continue this tomorrow.

[SOgLak]

mind is the builder. to me that means that what we envision or wish for or want or even fear is what we materialize.

this is from edgar cayce, a profound prophet, not recognized enough now or maybe at any time.

mind being the builder of our existence in real time and the path being laid for the future, needs to be really emphasized. we are building our own future. and so are our enemies. they know that what they make us believe is what will cause it to happen. don't listen to them. create your/our own reality by denying them and their manipulation and work at our own reality.

i hope this makes sense.

i'm relatively new in that i have not been here for a while. and did not have time to read the whole thread.
my two cents...

[anconueys]

salutations to all.

like many here, i am a young person who has been saturated with media throughout my lifetime, and have recently been noticing many hidden references to many of the materials david and the community has been talking about recently.
it is obvious to myself, and hopefully others here... that there are people pulling the puppet strings and moving towards a gradual indoctrination of ideas that are yet to come. many of these references are littered among the sci-fi programming in mainstream media, and i felt it appropriate to have a discussion about it here.

many of the media references are rather obvious, such as star trek warp technology and transporters, and stargate sg-1 with the stargate, and obvious affiliation with ancient history.

some of the lesser known ones will be more so obvious to the younger generations here, as i assume not many of you will know about shows like tengen toppa gurren lagann, or full metal alchemist.

allow me to explain a little, and see if my brief synopsis of the two interest you.
(i will try to avoid giving away plot twists in case anyone becomes intrigued)

tengen toppa gurren lagann is a show about an enslaved humanity, who rebel against a spacefaring life form (who of course, exists on a higher density than we do) in order to gain independence. the method they use to do so is one that is rather intriguing. the source of energy they use throughout the show is ran by emotions and group continuity. eventually they face their ultimate challenge in the final episodes leading up the conclusion, where they are trapped in a predetermined space-time reality, and escape by punching a hole through dimensions through the combined will of the group. it relates heavily to a lot of davids material, and even mentions things like third eyes, and higher density existence in the later episodes.

full metal alchemist is a show about an alternate universe, where the people are gifted with a science which appears to be very much like magic, and they refer to as alchemy. the show deals primarily with questions such as, "what makes a human?", "where do we come from?", and "what is death?"
one of the less important revelations made during the course of the program is the discovery that the energy they use for their magic-like science is fueled by the passing of energy from the deaths of people in alternate dimensions.

(i suggest watching both programs in their original language if possible)

so continuing on, it seems that a lot of very important information is being hidden in plain sight within mainstream media from many countries.

if anyone else has any shining insights into other ways the media has sugar coated and hidden simple truths in plain sight, i am eager to hear them.

thank you for reading and allowing me to share.

~finch

[brorwargy]

my dear friend, please allow me to point this out: whatever the media lets out for the general public is intended to be of use to those who run it.

please do not be naive enough to consider that these people are "infiltrated" or have grown back from intelligence into being tempted to "test" our awareness of things or even to "mock" us all.

that is not so, not at all.

whatever you are allowed to see serves them, period.

and of course that also applies to any kind of media object that might "touch the realms of the unknown".

the people who run the media know all there is to know; and that, in a nutshell, is a truth from which most of the people shy away, since it deals with concepts long ago forgotten such as the fight between the forces of good and evil.

seems as if no one believes in god these days, it is not "trendy", even while being constantly presented to the deeds of his contender.

satan has worked his way to the upper echelons of world power by means of a cleverly disguised series of arrangements throughout human history, one so clever that it does even include some concessions such as "hiding truth in plain view".

[in4wikiu]

ok - i love this topic being a film studies major in uni, so thank you finch for bringing it up.


i couldn't believe it when i started reading, because i promise you i spent 5 minutes before reading this post thinking exactly about gurren lagann and fma. i was very intrigued by both, but especially teggen toppa gurren lagann!!!

some other points of note:

-extreme use of the upward spiral geometric shape described by ra. the main character uses his "drill" as his weapon, and the more he believes in himself, the larger and more powerful his weapon gets.

-"the spiral king" uses disinformation, technology, and intimidation to keep the people in caves at the beginning of the series. they end up defeating him, and eventually, he even becomes an ally as they attempt to ascend and "punch a hole in the sky".


a lot of people do not realize how much exactly media predicates coming history. especially from the 70s onward, film has been used as a running commentary on culture over the years; we see what ideas were consumed and which were left cold on the plate. that being said, there are films that seem to tap right in and pave the way for certain ideas. the truman show is a great example of "preparing" people for reality television. a great classic example, kinda in line with the forum, is the 50s film the day the earth stood still. there are some people who claim this was made based on an actual event that happened behind the scenes after ww2 in the us. the ending message is very poignant; worthy of a positive et source

right now, i am seeing an unprecedented presence of alien ideas/images in the media. it seems to be coming to a point; even my wife is starting to mention it, and she stays away from et stuff.

[ibupronec]

xisto

what so you mean by "god" and "deeds of his contender"...and who is "satan" in you view? are you an orthodox christian with medieval interpretation? seems illogical since you're on dc forum where david tells us how to "cure" orthodox oldfashioned religious beliefs??

i may have misunderstood you altogether so just corrct me if i'm wrong here

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[otheloComRole]

i believe it exists but is not contrived. if that makes sense. media is created by people. these people are connected to us and the same universe and its energies. the truth is represented. imo, it is not contrived manipulation but rather, innocent distortions

[EvaQWmrm]

thank you hogey11 for backing up some of the information i missed.
yes, gurren lagann is stuffed with tons of incredible themes and information, much of which is highly relevant to divine cosmos material of study.

also, thank you for bringing up 2 other great examples. the truman show is one i probably would not have thought of at first, but now that you mention it, i agree wholeheartedly. it seems even more relevant today than when it was first made, as literally thousands of people are waking up to these control systems in society, and are beginning to struggle against them. in that sense, the movie has become rather iconic of our time,

also, the original version of "the day the earth stood still" was first launched shortly after the roswell incident, and the radio broadcast for war of the worlds, which makes it slightly suspicious to me. so thanks for that reference as well.
the main character, the alien (mr. carpenter) seems to be an obvious christ reference, as jesus was a carpenter like his father.

and just a side note for those starting to derail the topic in a debate about religious beliefs, please take it to another thread. each step away from the original topic only serves to cause conflict among us, and thats the last thing any of us want.

no hard feelings guys.

i will post again later with a few more references i think i have found, after i do some research on them.
thanks for reading, and thanks for sharing.

~finch

[inchaaruutaa]

the people who run the media know all there is to know; and that, in a nutshell, is a truth from which most of the people shy away, since it deals with concepts long ago forgotten such as the fight between the forces of good and evil.

seems as if no one believes in god these days, it is not "trendy", even while being constantly presented to the deeds of his contender.

satan has worked his way to the upper echelons of world power by means of a cleverly disguised series of arrangements throughout human history, one so clever that it does even include some concessions such as "hiding truth in plain view". i agree that people have forgotten about good and evil. in the end, that is what our journey here is all about. but i don't run into that many people who don't believe in god, and i am wondering if you think that unless you are a mainstream christian it means you don't believe in god?

i wonder what sort of insights you have into the ways in which evil has gained power in the world.

[moderator note: this could be an interesting convo, but off topic for the thread... and the forum, when it comes to a study of the 'moonlit intrigues' of the negs and the deceptive practices used to gain power. feel free you guys to discuss this via pm... i'm going to go along with finch on this and guide us back on topic ]

[Pyuvjzwf]

greetings once again friends,

i finished doing some research on the band known as the mars volta, as someone mentioned that a large amount of their musical inspiration was "channeled" to the song writers during a tour through the use of drugs and a ouija board. they claim they made contact with a being who called him or herself [reference to channeling source removed].
apparently the band members thought the music was a revelation of things yet to come, and one of the more disturbing lines in their songs goes "its only a matter of folding time and space before i become your epidemic" which reminds me of the time-space folding project that nasa has been working on in recent years. of course, i can only speculate on this one...

another one that hasnt come up yet is james camerons avatar, which has many references littered throughout the film to topics of discussion that are common here, such as mental links, unity of everything, and biological computer systems. this one has received a lot attention in the past year or two, so i will leave speculation on that one up to anyone who wants to take a crack at it.

another thing worth noting is that the "comic book to movie" phenomenon has brought us a lot of wonderful material into the public eye, through such films such as v for vendetta, and the watchmen. both of which lean heavily towards some incredible information that is highly relevant to our discussion.

in v for vendetta, they symbolize the awakening of humanity in a neo-fascist world to overthrow a corrupt government, and the means by which the hero does so is by reminding the population through acts of "terrorism" that we are not consumers, but sacred beings. eventually the people unite under a veil of secrecy to overthrow control being exerted on them by a small party.
this is also one that receives a lot of attention, so i wont go into much detail.

the watchmen is perhaps one of the least analyzed sources of hidden aspects in media, where they re-cast several well known super heroes into a slightly different alternate reality where people decided to take up the mantle of costumed vigilantes in a literal sense, and is cast in a very down to earth, nihilist portrayal.
some of the greater aspects of the book/movie surround the god like ascension of doctor manhattan, a normal human who obtains god-like powers after suffering a near-death experience. this is highly symbolic of davids talks about breaking free from space-time and into time-space, as dr. manhattan mentions on several occasions that his perception of time in not relative to our own.

thats all i have for now. thank you again for listening and allowing me to share. my insights might not be spectacular, but i am grateful you allowed me to share a few of my thoughts.

~finch

[chootsonege]

if i'm missing the point of this conversation, i'm sorry.

my opinion is that writers and producers are moved by intrigue and/or spirit, and reflect it in their work.

[Menierofe]

12thuranus,

you are correct to an extent. most media references are purely artistic creativity and coincidences, however... it has become obvious to myself (and at least 1 other so far) that there may in fact be real hidden references within many forms of media that work towards a gradual indoctrination. a good example of this can be seen in video games. im sure everyone here has heard of call of duty, and modern warfare, both of which exploded with hype since the beginning of the war in afghanistan. it is clear to some that the hype for such things serves as a tool to place war into the status quo.

there are many other examples as well, you simply need to look for them. if this topic of discussion does not interest you, then im sorry.

[Blacksheepaalredy]

@finch

a few more things i was thinking about regarding ttgl:

kamina - provides nearly all the catalyst for the film, both by his life and death. i think this is very much in line with loo and even his attitude supports this. catalyst is not something to be feared or to 'quiet down', but instead something to be loved and strive for. his whole personality enforced the idea of free will.

simon - the "spiritual" leader, given the gift of his drill. as he learns to conquer his fear, his gift becomes stronger and stronger. if he believes in himself fully, he is capable of anything. however, without the support of those around him, he rarely steps up to the occasion. hmmm that sounds familiar to myself... (and everyone here in 3d i think). simon doubts due to the deep loss suffered when he lost his parents.

rossiu - i think he represents a different personality type. rossiu has the 'indoctrinated' past, and trusts very much in the systems in place. this makes him both more dangerous yet less powerful, compared to simon. i think this represents all those who know the "right" way, yet have a very hard time breaking the 3d illusions/systems of action/thought (i would probably fit into this group myself at times ), and fully embracing the action of ascension.

boota - this is one of my favorites. i really think boota was the 'wanderer' in the greater picture. throughout the series, boota just chilled out, preferably in yoko's bust. he supported simon when things were tough, and generally was just a lovable little hamster monster. however, at the very end of the largest battle, it is boota who provides an immense amount of spiral energy at the most crucial time... is this to signify harvest? at the point where they need to "punch a hole in the sky", it is boota, the hamster thing, that steps up and provides a huge charge of power. i also like how, as mentioned, boota didn't really need to be doing a lot all of the time, just as how carla describes the role of most wanderers. wanderers are here to be themselves, and to help send love/light to the planet and those entities around them. i just thought it was a cool idea.


i really want to rewatch this series, as i wasn't so much into the loo when i first watched it. i'm sure i could pick up a lot more if i did....

fma was great too, in terms of more philosophical points. also, there is the blatant shout-out when the young boys are left on the island to fend for themselves for a month. what was the lesson they learnt at the end of that time? all is one.

they passed.

[gedsiz]

i think it is speculative, as is my theory. nothing wrong with exploring speculation.

if i were to join you in the search, i would start by investigating why hollywoods beginning works are pushed in countries that are newer to the tv environment. investigating this may go a long way to prove your point.

still, i'm inclined to accept all distortions. you know? david's work should not be overlooked as well. he has his own distortions even though i enjoy most of them.

[Soypopetype]

wow hogey, thanks for the furthered insights into ttgl. im starting to get the feeling we could probably talk just about that one series and uncover a lot of incredible information. im going to have to rewatch the series as well, as i apparently missed a few things. also, the positive message of the series does wonders for my emotional state, which is usually pretty low.

also, thank you to uranus for reminding us that all viewpoints are flawed in some ways, and that same rule applies even to david.
i will take up your suggestion and do a little more in depth research on the weekend. it may be a little while before my next post as a result, but hopefully the info will be much more accurate and relevant.

thanks for sharing again.
i look forward to hearing from you all.

~finch

[excivaamome]

another thing worth noting is that the "comic book to movie" phenomenon has brought us a lot of wonderful material into the public eye, through such films such as v for vendetta, and the watchmen.

gotta love synchronicity... i was just talking to my girlfriend about the comic book movie explosion, as we sat down to watch hellboy. i have been a comic book collector since i was little, and i was kind of joking that my "nerdy little hobby" is now having a huge impression on all kinds of people, even those that didn't have much interest in comics. we didn't get through much of the movie before the following quote caught my ear:

"the remains of trondham abbey, built on an intersection of ley lines... the boundaries between our world and the others..."

i had never finished watching the movie because things always came up (usually sleep because i'm always exhausted when i find time to watch anything), and now i'm really intrigued to watch more, and the second movie, to see if they mention anything else that i have read about over the years as i kept up with david's work.

light and love to all...
brandon

[Grorointeri]

i've been watching how the media has been exposing certain aspects of the "truth" in an effort to prepare the masses. those who are the "controllers" also use the media to send signals to each other of where "the plan" is in it's progress.
the point, i feel, that needs to be expressed is that the "established" forms of media are ultimately controlled by those whose intent it is to mold the consciousness of the masses to "their" intended ends. every disclosing of truth by established media must be taken with a grain of salt and the question asked, "what is the purpose of allowing this information to be disclosed?" it never is to "educate" us, but to inform. to illustrate my point. take a look at the trailer for the next installment of the transformers series. to me, this is an answer to information that has been put forward by richard hoagland and others about what was actually on the moon when we went there and what was hidden by nasa. because this type of exposure is happening at a much greater rate, ie., "disclosure," it would seem it is being "allowed" to become a part of the overall consciousness of the masses. the seeds being planted so as to lessen the impact when ultimate disclosure becomes mainstream. its like saying to everyone else in the know, "okay, look, we can't keep the lid on this one anymore, but, we can control how it's disseminated. we can dictate how the information will impact us when it inevitably becomes known."
i guess what i'm trying to say is, we have to view anything that the media puts out with a jaundice eye. we need to ". . . come out of babylon . . ." in our consciousness. that is, we need to adopt an aquarian mind set. the energy of aquarius as it applies to the mind is one of "objectivity and impersonal/unemotional detachment." looks like we need to study our vulcan friends! :0)
"live long and prosper."

[luffyplayaz]

12thuranus,

you are correct to an extent. most media references are purely artistic creativity and coincidences, however... it has become obvious to myself (and at least 1 other so far) that there may in fact be real hidden references within many forms of media that work towards a gradual indoctrination. a good example of this can be seen in video games. im sure everyone here has heard of call of duty, and modern warfare, both of which exploded with hype since the beginning of the war in afghanistan. it is clear to some that the hype for such things serves as a tool to place war into the status quo.

there are many other examples as well, you simply need to look for them. if this topic of discussion does not interest you, then im sorry.

perhaps i did misundertand the whole purpose of the topic, but now, after the terms "gradual indoctrination" have come to front, it seems as if this might be on a more distinguishable track.

i do agree that indoctrination is the purpose of many products issued by the media corporations, from cartoons to films, going through pop music and, of course, publicity and propaganda.

what woul be the purpose for which you feel that they are indoctrinating us?

[refdhbgtd]

i want to add. for every media production we gravitate to that reflects our own interests (post indoctrination, or noticed by only those with an ear for it) , for every one, there is another that we will never tune into that is a different "doctrine".

[ergyuu]

one reference i realized today is kinda surprising to me, as well as being a little bit more mainstream than most references.

im sure most here will have seen at least the pilot episode of futurama. it was massively hyped, so a lot of people will have seen it.
anyway, hiding in plain sight in the very first episode as soon as the main character phillip fry, arrives in the future, he is fitted with an identification microchip device. seeing as this show is supposed to be a parody of all things science fiction, its hard to identify serious attempts to normalize ideas with humorous material. however, considering the hype that was set up for the pilot episode, and having been launched near the peak of popularity for the simpsons... if ever there was a moment they would benefit the most from a hidden serious message embedded into the episode, it would be on the pilot episode.
the idea of tag microchips is rather orwellian in nature, and is a very real initiative worming its way into the status quo right now.
this is all just speculation of course, but i think some of the evidences we have all likely seen thus far are rather good indications that fox original programming serves a primary function of brainwashing.

but anyway, crymzyn, that bit from the hellboy movie must have been one i missed. im clearly going to need to rewatch both films now. o.o

uranus.
how can we tell the difference between knowing something and being indoctrinated?
from what i can see, the only thing you need to be able to analyze material subjectively is to be at least partially awakened, and to be able to tell the difference between simply knowing and simply observing. oh, and indoctrination based on our ability to question everything that is status quo, and to keep an open mind.
sadly, this isn't something we can effectively communicate on the internet, so personally i will assume the best and say that everyone posting here must have gotten here because they have found a path that leans towards being awakened. (because we all know the glass is half full)

anyway, sorry for the rushed post. i'm unfortunately very busy so i don't have time to chat long.
thanks for sharing, and thanks for listening.

~finch