[accelieda]

transiten, et. al.,


thank you for your input in this thread, all of you. you shared some really great stuff that has been helpful for me.


i'm hanging in there; i'm still around. i've decided to fully cancel the suicide option, as it's not an option, no matter what. david wilcock's input about suicide was the key for me in encouraging me to hang in there.


even though my family has totally cut me off, they are still making a small inheritance available to me, a mere $240/mo for several years, so i'll use that, plus dumpster-diving (dd) for cash back recyclable bottles and cans. i call the dd "post-waste management".


every time i go to sell off the recyclables and the recycling centers, there are many others doing the same thing that i'm doing -- the sheer numbers of americans scavenging for cash is quite astonishing. but i'll take this over doing job applications or working a job of any kind. i set my own hours and am free to do this however i want to do it. i'm fast and efficient, so i'm able to get around $20/hr doing this.


but most importantly, i soon will be making a trip by bus to oregon to approach a forestry company that is interested in looking at my invention that i had successfully used for many years in my forestry biz. i'm asking $100k for it, far short of the $300k that i was originally going to ask for it after hiring attys to do the patent process. i know that i can do the patent process myself, but i don't want to do that -- just selling off this invention is good enough for me.


i want to emphasize that the reason why i lost my wealth was that i over-indulged in the seven sins. even david wilcock admitted that he had a tendency towards addictions, so it's my own addictions to several of the seven sins that killed off my wealth.


just so that others can see themselves in what i'll share what my own seven sins were, i'll share them at great risk of embarrassment. if this helps just one of you to shift away from addiction and towards greater health, then this post would have served its purpose.


my part of the seven sins were:

1) lust -- internet porn. got me there. wasted tons of time and energy with this. this one was a huge time-waster for me.

2) gluttony -- i had not adjusted my dietary patterns to reflect my huge drop-off of activity when i retired and kept up with my bad pattern of eating huge amounts of comfort food. the addiction to comfort food was started by my own reaction to the pain of my near-deafness, so this addiction is long, long overdue in being eliminated.

3) greed -- i didn't think that my 4,000 ounces of silver was enough, so i sold off the silver to chase the platinum (pt) precious metal, but i wound up losing half of my wealth just from this move alone, despite one opportunity to exit this pt market with my wealth fully intact. at the moment, i have no precious metals on hand at all... just at a time when silver is going up like gangbusters. depressing.

4) sloth -- with my retirement from the rat race, i reveled in not needing to go off to work, so i really got lazy, although i did make some good use of some of my time handling the transcript team for this dc site and the old project camelot site. i just could not bring myself to work, though i could have worked a few forestry projects to bring in the $, so that i would not have to sell off my silver stockpile. oh, boy, now i do wish that i had gotten off my lazy ass to work just enough so that i could live without selling off my silver stockpile. huge error there. i just could not give up my laziness and this has cost me dearly.

5) wrath -- due to my reaction to the near-deafness and my angst over it, i frequently got mad, really hopping mad, to the point of destroying things explosively. i'm amazed that i'm still alive today, not to mention look years younger than my actual age, given how frequently that i've blown my top over the years. to do a rough count of how many times that i've blown my top over the years, i'd say it would be well over a thousand times, but nearly all of them have been when i was alone and i've never attacked any person. i very rarely explode with anger today, as i know how damaging it is to myself on many levels, including the shortening of the telomeres of the dna.


so the work on all these addictions are still a work in progress. so if you see yourself in any of these addictions that i've described -- get to work on transforming them! now. failure to address them can cost you dearly like it did with me.

[layedgebiamma]

great

and goodmorning - so good to hear you're ok...fighting a depression myself i easily think things are worse than they are..

takes a lot of courage to admit those five sins of yours...i told an old one for the 1:st time to a friend of mine yesterday...seems like it's in the air...our personal wikileaks you know...don't know if i've got the courage to tell mine or do ra and the elohim think it's enough to admit them to yourself

good luck with your trip to oregon..what is "k" in 100k?

blessings from transiten

[MoreEndotte]

this is the reason your family cut you off, bro? really? this just seems like average stuff that everyone does. i mean, you didn't kill anyone or anything. sheesh.

i am sure the rest of your family has their own issues with the 7 sins. and if they say they don't then they are full of.... poop.

[Theorsell]

may i suggest, that perhaps your main sin was being too hard on yourself. i can't honestly say i know what it's like to be in the money, so i can't say i know what it's like to lose it. but it's tough out there for everyone, regardless of how much they push themselves. it's the whole dark night of the soul thing, like someone else said here. and it's always darkest before the dawn. (i really don't like using cliches, but it seemed appropriate here)

let me give you an example. i had recently moved from a very tough family situation, the details i won't go into here. my family basically saw me as a convenient source of revenue, and i wasn't making much, just flipping burgers, and i was lucky to even have that job. i wanted so desperately for the longest time to move with my dearest friend in arizona, whom seemed more like family to me than my relatives did. because living in the situation i was in was wearing down on my psychological health.

well, all that time manifesting finally paid off. i got myself my tax refund, and dedicated it to getting myself to arizona, much to the dismay of my family. my friends here made a deal with me, i had three months to get a job so i could either help pay them rent or move out on my own.

well, the three months was just about up, and i had a job, but the hours were horrible, and no one else seemed interested in hiring me. my next check was due in two weeks, i had no money for food, my food stamp money wasn't coming in until the 7th of next month, and my roomates had given me an ultimatum, get the money or get out. it wasn't really their fault either, they did what they had to do because they aren't exactly the richest folks on the block either.

up to this point i had did my best to maintain a positive attitude, and it was tough, because i'm sitting here, not having eaten anything in about three days, despite finally having a job, about to be homeless, with no real contact with any of my folks back home because i have a prepaid cell phone and i had no money to put more minutes on it, and that wasn't even the worst of it. i could put up with the hunger, maybe even learn to survive on the streets if i had to. but what ate at me the most was that i was about to let my closest friends, whom i consider family, down. that's what really hurt the most.

(i'm not looking for pity, there's a point to this, just bear with me lol)

i was at a crisis point, i really considered suicide because i had felt i let my friends down. i just couldn't keep the positive attitude up anymore, i felt like total trash. so i lay in my bed, feeling ready to just give up, in tears, and i just vented to my guardian angels. i said, i don't know what to do anymore. i can't keep this up, help me out, guys!

then, i posted about my situation on another website i frequent. mind you, i barely ever ask for any kind of help from anyone, but i was at the end of my rope. soon after, someone sent me some soup packets in the mail, others started sending me money, little bits and peices of what they could. it was just enough to get me enough food to last till i got my next paycheck, and to pay some of the rent money my roomates had asked for, and i managed to get by. people who i work with, who are also struggling to get by, also gave me tips on food pantries, places to go for assistance or emergency shelter.

granted, it wasn't a windfall, it's not like the universe sent me a million dollars and said "go hog wild!" but it was enough. it got me by. and i am still living with my best friends in tucson, instead of the streets. i thank the universe every single day for this.

so i guess my advice is to hang in there, you will be taken care of. and i am also sending positive intentions your way.

[Kilaoksrsa]

my belief on suicide is that it depends on the situation to drive the person to commit suicide. i don't believe the same thing comes to the same people and those who are mysteriously vanish as a spirit or go to some purgatory.

in the event of suicide if it is done to take an easy way out the people who helped send this soul to the planet would be disappointed because a: helping to get someone ready to incarnate is no small act and more than one other being helps this along. b: if they are incarnating they had something to do on that plane which is always tied to some kind of development. they may have just wasted the perfect opportunity to do what they set out to do and when they arrive back in the spirit realm they would most likely be just as hard on themselves as any outside source would. confirmed on davids sept 3rd reading;"each soul chooses an incarnation for a particular purpose. there are indeed goals that you have set out to achieve, prior to ever taking on this body you now enjoy."

i can agree with much of what david says on many topics or with most parts of his topics but do not think you are forced to reincarnate. that would not make sense to me and think it would be a illogical punishment and would go against one of his readings from; sept. 3rd where david says"in fact, were you fully accountable for all aspects of that which you know to be an infringement upon free will, the karmic events would be much too severe for there to be any learning value in them.

we would humbly request that when you receive a “karmic blast”, you step away from the apparent feelings of judgment and criticism that your mind would be quick to assign to those events, and instead understand and reflect upon the fact that you are loved more than you could ever possibly imagine.

when these balancing events occur, they are administered with a hopefulness that this will finally penetrate the heavily-fortified defenses of the personality self, or ego mind, and get a message through about how those thoughts and deeds that you have created in turn affect others – by then bringing to you the reflection of those experiences through your own lens.

it really is never intended to be punishment, but we so often see great tears and great forlorn emotions arising from such “karmic blasts”."

that being said it sounds like if karma hit you the same way you perpetuated it there would be far less chances and everyone would end up being overwhelmed and unable to cope with their backlash of karma. but when people do something sometimes they aren't aware of how their actions effect many things like a small butterfly effect. it says above karma isn't for punishment it is to learn.

wouldn't be fair to do an individual exactly what they did to someone else there is no logic in it as far as i am concerned. especially if it comes from higher sources therefore instant reincarnation i would say is a no go.

hope you get at what i am saying he would probably feel really really bad for a while in soul form and whenever necessary he would again incarnate after being taught and conditioned better to make sure it doesn't happen again.

even i have had close to no depression my whole life and suicide at times seemed like a logical option but had to find out it is not and would serve no better purpose than the mourning to the individuals around you.

just look how david feels about [the man] who helped co-author the ra series. i think his name is dan and it is hard on him and also hard on him for those around him to die an unfair death. this is common without most everybody and does not help the situation. but given the event of very extreme levels of stress and pain on multiple levels i couldn't see myself or the universe punishing these people in any way other than to remind them not to do it again.

[Bymnbypeten]

thankyou spiral cycle for that perspective!

throughout reading this thread i was thinking about just that what you concluded and i think that if you haven't been in such emotional and mental pain yourself being on the brink of taking your own life, you just can't imagine what it's like, it's no less painful than a bodily pain.

i'm deeply thankful to those who stayed by my side as to prevent me to comit suicide and i've come a long long way from that situation.

transiten

[SinyugiN]

best tan i ever had was in vegas a couple years back.

incredible town mozart. -almost moved to nevada myself.

to answer your question simply. -no.. there's no karma beyond that which provoked your friend's notions of suicide. which is to say karma is the residue of illusory perspective. in other words our environmental fixations that may be interpreted as financial hardship or otherwise, are not of our making in any meaningful way. it's simply a prop on the stage. if your friend's played out his part, and wants to go home -that's fine. try and make it clear to him however; that his self-identity that's clearly wrapped up in his financial status and comfort therein- is an environmental projection he has adopted onto himself- that has nothing at all to do with him, anymore than it does anyone else. whether extremely wealthy, extremely poor, or the vast spectrum between; by general illustration of adopted environmental projection.

course if he came to realize this, he might feel differently about cutting loose(?)

then again- maybe not.

may mention as well that a deprivation tank could be the ticket he's looking for. seems reasonable that the symbolic gesture of sinking into a peaceful slumber at the bottom of a lake; rather than succumb to a projected-fixation in a waking despair -would cultivate a liberty he's presently neglecting himself; in slavery of false self-perspective. or what is literally the big bad wolf of smoky mirrored karma.

point being- there's no such thing as karmic provocation or residue, provided one realizes this through and through.

kind regards,

chris

[Voliscietle]

@chris- your answer resonates the most with me.

if the person is lost here, it is possible for him/her to be lost over there. it is not certain, but very possible.

i pmed my thoughts when the thread first presented. now there have been so many responses, i want to add my two cents to the discussion.

providing a conceptualization of karma to a friend going through this is all fine and good. but since we cannot reprogram others' perspectives, i want to give some practical advice. i'm not a professional, but i do have experience. when we have a friend going down this path, we must tell them "i love you. i don't want you to go. please don't do that.". after that, all we can do is be present with them physically. he/she is significantly less likely to act if in the presence of another. the process of life will take its course, and the friend's perspective will potentiate itself as it shapes and shifts with catalysts and experiences. we can be catalyst, we can be part of experience, and our love is present beyond concepts.

[topbonuscasino]

but with 2012 and the transformation who knows what is?

a thought i come to frequently these days, for sure. exciting and mystifying at the same time. i guarantee even if suicide were an option i'd consider (it's not), it wouldn't happen before new years 2012!

mozart, i hope you find a way to help your friend see the beauty of being alive, especially at this "time".

[no02rSx2]

thank you all for your replies to this thread -- i really appreciate them.


i need to come clean to all of you and disclose something.


this "friend" that i alluded to who is contemplating suicide... is me. i'm the one who is contemplating this fatal option, even though i really don't want to do it. i just wanted to see what you'd think about this by starting this post, but i'm not comfortable not being clean with y'all about hiding behind this "friend" when it's really me.


i had enough physical silver on hand (as of several years ago) to last me well past 2012, but as a result of a series of really stupid and fatal financial decisions, as well as personal decisions, i've destroyed my wealth and have no silver on hand... just when it is now taking off to the moon.


not having silver on hand right when it's taking off was not my plan!


i will not:

1) fill out job apps and do interviews

2) work a payroll job

3) mow lawns


i've always been independent, despite my earlier years of being "helped" by many because of my near-deafness. i still have more to do and contribute in this lifetime and don't want to go, but running out of money and leaving my beloved lake tahoe is more than i can bear. my energy field just does not do well with any sort of daily job -- i do best when i'm free to create and to use my creative skills in what i do. i've had daily jobs before (a total of 2 years of them and i totally hated them; the rest of my work have been running my own bizzies.)


i have very powerful ideas/inventions that i know that would work extremely well for tahoe, so i have a narrow window of opportunity to start to get some demonstration projects going with my brand-new $1,000 chainsaw that i was fortunate to get on a 30-day credit, thanks to the goodwill that i've created with a saw shop with which i did good biz over the years with my always paying my bills on time.


my inventions/ideas will very strongly mitigate the on-going pollution problems that are threatening the loss of the clear, blue tahoe. my pendulum (a very accurate one) indicates that, once fully implemented, my inventions/ideas would successfully prevent 75% to 80% of the urban runoff pollution from reaching the lake. 75% of the current pollution of tahoe is coming from urban runoff. tahoe's aim in achieving their "clarity challenge" is falling behind their schedule, so they are starting to get worried about their progress to keep tahoe clean, let alone blue.


so, starting tomorrow, (nov 8th), i'm going to start to create demonstration projects of my ideas and just do them. i have a few weeks to a month, maybe a month and a half before the snows fall and stay on the ground for the winter down at the lake level (it's snowing right now at lake level, but it's wet and won't stay -- but just uphill, snow is already covering the ground with a foot of snow forecast for today and tomorrow), so i'm going to go at it as if my life depends on it. it does.


there are many, many wealthy people who live at tahoe, so, maybe, a few of them can see what i'm doing and support my being there.


i know why i lost my wealth -- i indulged in too many of the seven sins while i was moderately wealthy and retired. my indulgence in the seven sins has cost me my wealth, possibly my ability to remain retired and maybe my life. i'll do my best to rapidly apply my lessons of not indulging in any of the seven sins from now on. i want to put my lessons into effect immediately and not wait for the next lifetime to implement them.


it's really snowing now, so i gotta run back to my place, as i drove to meet with my atty today. my neighbors have moved out who were my portal to the internet, so i now have to walk one mile to get on the net at the local starbucks, so my internet access will be intermittent at this point. i'd normally be filled with happiness with this kind of first-in-the-season snow, but not today.


i'm sorry to post such a downer of a post, but i'm just crushed with how my life is right now. just totally crushed.

[dittygari]

i have a few simple thoughts for you.....you can be of value to this world in very very simple ways. you don't need anything other than the light inside yourself. no money in your pocket? no pollution control implemented? ...you still have the wisdom from your life experiences which can be spun into gold.

as far as working a regular job to support yourself...you just might have to do that. and it just might humble you . and push you to find the love in the moment. every moment. i am a student and work at bally's gym at the juice bar. there is this older gentleman who comes into my store beaming "where's those bbq potato chips?" and i say they are right over here..and i show him where they are because they are always being moved...and he brings them to the register and we chat about how tasty they are and anything else we feel like talking about and we smile at each other because we've brightened up our day together....that's what it is all about.

do i want to work there forever? no. do i even like working there at all? no. but i have to keep reminding myself that the love is here now within me....and i am helping to raise the vibration of this planet by living it.....and i do feel your pain because i have been at the point where i sat staring at my bottle of prescription pills trying to decide if i wanted to go down to the liquor store and buy a bottle of whisky to down along with about 12 of those pills...but i keep choosing life because we will all die sometime anyway so might as well die trying.....

[Anypeny]

i hope it doesn't sound disingenuous, being that we haven't even met in person, but at the level that really matters, where we are who we really are, i do, and everyone on this forum does as well.

your pain is obvious and it seems that the best idea would be to reach out to another so that you will not be alone. i don't know how you feel exactly but i did try to commit suicide in high school so i do understand wanting to just be done.

i am excited by your ideas for making things because creating something new would be a great lift for you. and i would still hope that you connect with someone and quick. i don't have any ideas about karma but i do know that this life is a great gift, and while it is not the only life you will ever have, i think we go through a lot to get here in the first place, especially now as someone pointed out.

know you are loved and you are valuable beyond any of our imaginations--we all are. and don't apologize for feeling low and sharing it. there isn't a single one of us here who hasn't done the same even if not in the same way or for the same reasons.

"hold on to whatever will get you through"
in love and honor and light for all times,
karen

[c6vkuNRg]

a friend of mine is extremely unhappy with his life and he want to commit suicide by sinking himself to the bottom of a lake.


he's destroyed his small fortune that would have carried him with ease through these troubled times, so he is extremely upset that he was stupid enough to destroy his own little fortune by his own bad choices.


now he is about to run out of cash in a few months and i've been trying to dissuade him from the idea of ending his life and he asked me flat-out: "what karma is there with killing myself?" i had no answer.


do you have an answer to this? any ra material-based answers? anything that dw has said about any karmic repercussions of suicide? i'd like to see your comments so that i can have something to say to my friend.

[Ephedrine]

hi mozart. long time no see you here. sorry it is under such anxious circumstances.

i have heard many different ideas of the karmic value of suicide. and i have even read stuff that makes me question the very existance of karma so i am not going to comment on that as i am sure others would know better.

first of all, there are crisis centers that will admit him and hold him for a minimum of 72 hours. don't hesitate to call 911 if you think he is gonna do it. i have been through these crisis centers before and it was very helpful. there was nothing better for me when i was feeling miserable then to be around other miserable people. i am pretty sure all states have the same sort of thing.

sounds like your friend is going through a "dark night of his soul". this presents your friend with what is probably the biggest challenge of his life. i have felt this utter sense of pain and regret. emotional, physical, and mental bankrupcy.

if i was in your shoes i would try to embolden your friend. don't let him take the easy way out of the situation. he is not the first or the last person that something like this has happened to. if he makes it out of this, it will serve as a blessing in which he does the most spiritual growth. but telling someone that in the throes of a tragic situation is not adviseable.

i don't know what he squandered his money on but if it was drugs or alcohol or gambling or women then the "anonymous" groups are great for stuff like that (aa, ga, na, sa). he will find comfort in the stories of other people who have gone through the same sort catostrophic mistakes.

embolden him. make him put on his man pants and stand up to this challenge. and try to make him see this as an opportunity for growth. i believe things like this happen for a reason. hold his hand for the moment if you have too. he will get over the initial acute sickening pain of the situation in time and he just needs to get through this crisis stage. so sleep next to that man if you have to, to be sure that he doesn't do it. that is what i would do if i was in your shoes.

maybe this story would bring some comfort to your friend:

during my interview with him, the man told me about a terrible incident that occurred when he was younger. he was attacked in an alley in a large city, stabbed repeatedly by a gang, and then left for dead. he managed to crawl out to the street where someone found him and took him to the hospital. he almost died and remained in the hospital for quite a while recuperating. one of the things he wanted to know during our session was the purpose of the horrible experience. why did it happen? during the session, when i contacted the subconscious and asked it that question, the answer was very surprising. it said, "oh, that was a group of his friends who volunteered to help him." i thought, with friends like that, who needs enemies! it didn't seem the type of thing a friend would do!

the subconscious explained that it had all been orchestrated from the other side. the man's life was going in the wrong direction, and he was not going to be able to get back on his path without drastic action that would turn his life around. there had been many subtle attempts to get his attention, and when these did not work, the attack was arranged. drastic, dramatic, unexplainable, yes, but it shows the extremes the universe will go to in order to turn someone's life around without having them physically exit this world. or this one:

http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10990

good luck to you and your friend. i am listening to one of dw's radio shows where he mentioned that these times will push your buttons. in fact, that is what these times are meant to do. it sounds like your friend's buttons are definitely being pushed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dark_night_of_the_soul

[dxpfmP0l]

hello mozart

i do not know of any specific references to suicide in the loo, but my instinctive reaction that suicide is an sts choice, -which is quite paradoxical given that it involves self destruction.

there is a book which interviews survivors who jumped off the golden gate bridge. one of them said that as soon as he jumped, he realized that everything that had led to his decision was inconsequential . that the only important thing was his life.

often the suicide doesn't want to kill himself, but a part of himself. in the case of your friend it seems as though he wants to kill the part of himself that brought about his financial ruin. this can be done without resorting to drowning himself. many people have survived and thrived after losing everything.

often such a misfortune can lead to a rebirth, which is what i think your friend is looking for, only in not quite the right way.

in times of misfortune, (and fortune) i often remember an old rosicrucian saying:

"every circumstance in my life is god dealing with my soul"

in bringing this to mind, it adds a new perspective to a situation, and encourages me to use this circumstance for the good. maybe it might help your friend. certainly i am sure there are many agencies in your area such as lifeline available to offer your friend free counselling and advice

[Rememavotscam]

regarding to your question about the loo, it says this :

death, if natural, would undoubtedly be the more harmonious; the death by murder being confused and the entity needing some time/space in which to get its bearings, so to speak; the death by suicide causing the necessity for much healing work and, shall we say, the making of a dedication to the third-density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self. however i am not sure at all that fear of what is to happen on the other side is the right way to choose to live.

i have been in the same situation as you are now (as well as the exact opposite, how ironic!), and while no two situations are similar, my own experience made me vividly aware that such situations can be extremely difficult. i think ra's teaching(/learning) about 3r density beings having the opportunity to offer love, light and catalyst, but without having direct ability (due to the law of free will) to make decisions for others, may be useful for you in this situation

[Tibaveriafark]

everything i have heard on the subject says that, with very rare exceptions, suicide is a very bad choice. the rare exceptions include things like people who have a terminal disease and are in so much pain they just can't stand it anymore, etc. but for most people, the problem is that if you end your life prematurely, in a subsequent life you will basically have to start over and face the same challenges. go to some of the sites that deal with near-death experiences and read what people say who have attempted suicide - most will tell you it's a huge mistake.

typically suicide is viewed as a very selfish act (service to self, as david might put it). sometimes when people do it, it's because they figure they will show the world how bad they were treated (in other words, there's an element of revenge - it's the one last thing you can do to try and get back at those who have hurt you). but what they are not taking into account is the effect it will have on those around them that they might care about. very often, those left behind feel considerable sadness and even possibly guilt, wondering what they could or should have done (although i am saying that, i want to make it clear to you that it's his decision, so if he does ultimately follow through despite your efforts to help, you should not feel any guilt, because it's an act of selfishness that he has chosen).

one other thing i might ask is if he's explored areas of practical help. for example, if he has no or low income, he can almost certainly get food benefits (what are commonly called "food stamps" for reasons i've never understood, since the benefits have never been issued as stamps, at least not in my lifetime). if he has little or no assets (money in the bank, property in his name, etc.) he may also qualify for free or low cost medical care, and perhaps even housing assistance, depending on where you live (note there is no asset test for food benefits, at least in the place i live - those are strictly income based). if he's not previously been in this financial state, he may not even realize what's available just by applying at your local department of human services, or whatever they call it in your state (just ask any of your low-income neighbors if they can tell you where to apply for food stamps, and start there). also don't overlook medical and dental clinics that cater to those with limited or no incomes. in some states qualifying for food benefits also qualifies a person for other programs (for example, where i live you can get a free cell phone and 250 minutes of cell phone service per month for free, as long as you qualify - i'd mention the name of the company but someone might think i'm shilling for them, so i won't).

in many cities you can find out about some of these programs by dialing 211 from any landline phone (doesn't always work from cell phones or voip phones, though there's usually a toll-free number that can be used from those phones - usually if you call the local united way or community chest, they can give you the number to call in place of 211). also, if you call and mention that you have a friend that's thinking of committing suicide (and make sure you emphasize that it really is a friend, so they don't think it's you) they may be able to get him some professional help for dealing with that. he might also need some kind of financial counseling and again, the 211 people may be able to direct you to reputable help (not the ripoff artists that advertise on tv).

finally, i would say that you need to emphasize to your friend that a lot of people are in the same situation he is, and that there have been many others in that situation who have weathered the hard times and pulled out of it one way or another. as long as he is able to survive he should try to do so, because there might be an opportunity he doesn't even know about yet that will come his way, if only he holds on and doesn't give up prematurely.

[iroxmxinau]

i definitely remember dw saying that if you commit suicide then you will have to go through the same thing in a future incarnation.

in budhist theology they say that if you commit suicide then you become a ghost, the same as if you die suddenly - which is similar to auria's above post from the loo;


quote:
" death, if natural, would undoubtedly be the more harmonious; the death by murder being confused and the entity needing some time/space in which to get its bearings, so to speak; the death by suicide causing the necessity for much healing work and, shall we say, the making of a dedication to the third-density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self."

the other thing budhist theology says is that if you were for example to crash in to a tree and die then your spirit would enter the tree. i suppose by that rational, a spirit could inhabit the lake because they also believe that spirit can enter a sword when that sword takes a life.

[sDePrx59]

i think he would probably have to redo class , like failing a year at school. karmically having to do a "make up" test. but with 2012 and the transformation who knows what is?
sounds to me like your friend could do with giving some kind of loving service or volunteering spiritually somehow, some way. nothing more healing for the soul then helping others. if he also find s a support network, any kind, even an online community where he could anonymously talk freely about his feelings.
what ever happens he has free will, but i will pray for his wellness as this too will pass if he allows surrender.
blessings from babyblue xxx

[gWhya5ct]

a friend of mine is extremely unhappy with his life and he want to commit suicide by sinking himself to the bottom of a lake.

he asked me flat-out: "what karma is there with killing myself?" i had no answer.

it seams to be more then difficult to understand a system that is widely known as karma.
ra, somewhere talked about it.


questioner: thank you. would you define karma?

ra: i am ra. our understanding of karma is that which may be called inertia. those actions which are put into motion will continue using the ways of balancing until such time as the controlling or higher principle which you may liken unto your braking or stopping is invoked. this stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. these two concepts are inseparable.

34.5 questioner: if an entity develops what is called karma in an incarnation, is there then programming that sometimes occurs so that he will experience catalysts that will enable him to get to a point of forgiveness thereby alleviating the karma?

ra: i am ra. this is, in general, correct. however, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. this is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. this also brakes or stops what you call karma.

in my understanding, suicided is a violation against self, equal to a violation against other selves.

and as with all karma, forgiveness is the key. simple yet for most not always easy.