[fluistulkn]

I can shed some more light on this perhaps. After being a very spiritual person for several years, I somehow fell into disbelief. I did for a few years believe that there was nothing there that could not be proved. Well then I ran onto the unexplained. It was real and confirmed by others. I saw a ghost. I was not worried about the ghost. I was worried about being placed in a mental institutin if I continued talking to persons who weren't there. Then I realized that I knew absolutely nothing. Everything that I thought I had figured out with my reasoning mind was WRONG! lol It is a quite difficult place to be in. Denial is a very good friend at times.

So some time later I wondered why I had become a skeptic. Then I was shown a past life. Myself and 2 other women were hanged. It turns out we would have visions and warn people that bad things would happen to them. They decided we were witches and making these bad things happen ourselves. Then I was shown even more lives where I was destroyed. Even back a very long time ago, people who told the truth were targets for assination attempts. So I am sure all of these things are still carried by many in their soul memory. Perhaps this is the biggest reason for fearing the unexplained?

[payloansday]

I think because when you really see life eternal everything changes and there is no going back. Most people aren't ready for that. But more and more people are becoming ready every day.

[Nopayof]

That's true. Most are afraid they are not worthy of "heaven". They feel they have been "bad" and won't go. Trust me.. you will. We all will. It's our home. God/Goddess is all forgiving. Yes even the worst people on earth. Our worst judge is us. That is who judges us on that side.

We will all open up in due time. 2012 is coming. You will see more and more of us opening and believing that we are just a small part of this whole light.

We are all connected.

[vipbunter]

Maybe for some people it's simply the knowing that life continues after physical death that matters more than any messages.

[tpJKhY8Z]

There's different opinions and beliefs for different people. Religion plays in a huge role in many people, simply because the bible says in the old testiment not to consult mediums. Some also believe that the spirit of the person who passed should be resting and not to be disturbed. For some, they don't believe in the spiritual world at all, and to die is to simply turn into worm dirt and that's it. To elaberate on this, this may be their copeing mechanism for the fear they feel about death. For some, the person that passed may have been so horrible, they don't want that connection any more. Example, my mother-in-law, her husband passed away unexpectanly and he stuck around for the longest time. He was abusive and controllong in his physical life, and continued when he passed away. The energy in the house was so depressing and suffocateing. For other's the person they passed, there may be a fear as well, what if they didn't cros over and go to heaven? Often, the emotional ties that people have, to keep that spirit around may do more harm than good, it may prevent the spirit from crossing over, and it may be a constant reminder for the people still here and holds them back from the greiving process, meaning, it may make it impossible for them to move on with their life. There is so many aspects of this, that for some, it is simply best this way.
Here's another thing I'd like throw out there, simply food for thought, what if the person who crossed ove has already reincarnated back into this life, when you pull them or call them away from their body and they are not prepared for this, it could be a difficult situation. Though the medium can typically tell if they are in the physical or spiritual realm and which realm, there are people who aren't experienced who will do this and may contact something other than the person, or call that person away from their body. This is just food for thought

[offemyJuccete]

I think it is sometimes frustrating when people in you life don't believe and judge you for believing, but like you mentioned before Harmony, it does not matter if they do or not, as long we do

Maybe one day every one will believe

[AblemTee]

It seems to me that this comes mostly from fear, but also from conditioning by the materialists. Remember school? What were you taught? That everything is material and anything that isn't, isn't real. It's a sad thing to see. Schools condition our young ones to think materialism is the only reality. Those that think differently are made fun of and after a while, you quit talking about it and think there's something wrong with you if you have different experiences. So you get set in the materialist world view and if something comes along that questions that, you become of afraid. The question is are they afraid of being right or being wrong? Or perhaps they want to believe, but are afraid the materialist are right and therefore won't look into it because it's better to not know than to find out the materialists are right and there is nothing else.


Shaman

[elects]

You know i'm just sitting here and thinking... Has anyone ever just felt like shaking ppl and saying hey there's a whole other world out there. why don't you just give it a try & see.
What is it that ppl are so afraid of? Why wouldn't you try and communicate with your loved ones when you have the option to? It just seems so bizzare to me. Take my dad for eg. After i had a reading and my nan came through I said "dad you should try this" and he was like "i don't want to" and i just think but why not?? Is it really going to hurt someone to give it a go. i mean the worst that can happen is that you don't connect to the info right but the best that can happen is that you get a wonderful validating reading and you connect with your loved ones and can even do a lot of healing by it. I understand some ppl think they've done wrong in life but hell who hasn't right. and then the sceptism "oh ppl can get a whole lot of info of you via this and thatand this and this."
You mention contacting your loved ones and some ppl think you're crazy. I mean to me there's solid proof behind a reading more so than in any religion because it's here and now.
Anyone else get frustrated by this also. I don't push but I've been touhed by it & my eyes are so wide open that i just wish everyone could get this sort of "healing and find that inner peace" I justdon't get what ppl are so afraid of.
Just imagine what our world would be like if Every single person had a reading done via mediumship. Wouldn't it be a great world. I think it would be.

When I encounter this, it doesn't make me angry as much as it makes me really sad. I understand that everyone is at a different place in their spiritual journey, and the souls here on earth are at different stages of development. I guess you're ready to see the truth when you're ready to see it. Some people just aren't looking yet. It makes me sad though when I know I can help someone by using my gift, but they're too afraid--for whatever reason--to take that leap of faith and just entertain the idea that all of this is true. In that sense, its frustrating knowing that you can help someone, but all they will allow you to do is sit there and watch them continue to suffer in their grief or pain

Its okay though, we can only do as much as we can do. I wonder if that's how our guides feel sometimes when they tell us something and we don't follow their advice (I am sooooo guilty of this LOL)

just my thoughts.
much love

[HondasMenFox]

When I encounter this, it doesn't make me angry as much as it makes me really sad. I understand that everyone is at a different place in their spiritual journey, and the souls here on earth are at different stages of development. I guess you're ready to see the truth when you're ready to see it. Some people just aren't looking yet. It makes me sad though when I know I can help someone by using my gift, but they're too afraid--for whatever reason--to take that leap of faith and just entertain the idea that all of this is true. In that sense, its frustrating knowing that you can help someone, but all they will allow you to do is sit there and watch them continue to suffer in their grief or pain

Its okay though, we can only do as much as we can do. I wonder if that's how our guides feel sometimes when they tell us something and we don't follow their advice (I am sooooo guilty of this LOL)

just my thoughts.
much love

i totally agree it does make you "sad" becasue you know it would help ppl. you know it can heal ppl and ppl are just too sceptical. My dad believes in spirituality, knows they exist but i reckon as far as he's concerned "most ppl can't connect to them"
I think the reason I get frustrated also is because i know how much it could help some ppl in my life But they don't want a part in it.
oh well, such is life.
I think my guides would get frustrated with me lol. one because i hardly believe that i connect to them. looks like I'm the sceptic in this scenario (with my own guides) lol though. I know others can connect to theirs. I prefer to hear the facts via someone else. It just seems more "real to me". but then again that area hasn't really interested me so much."connecting with my own guides" I find it hard to read about or study. probably just not for me. When i get msgs in dreams via them it's much easier for me to connect to them. I absolutely love mediumship though.

[BurdenRobert]

This topic is really very interesting.
I think that a lot of people are not connected to themselves.
They function like robots using the believes and the system they grew up
with do use it as a guidance.
It used to make me sad before but I realised that I was putting a lot of energy in wanting to help some people around me to find themselves.
It ended up beeing frustrated and with a loss of energy.
I decided to go my way and help whenever someone wants my help.
And somehow I think that everyone has a particular time to wake up.
Some are lucky to discover and develop their spirituality from childhood on and others just realise it when they die.
Everything comes the way it has to be.
What do you think?

Greetings.

Anna

[AblemTee]

You are so right Harmony!

The only mention of ghosts though was to scare each other. The whys and wherefores were never addressed. I do think that in the last few years we may be seeing things more open and possibly a change in process. What is really interesting is that a lot of those pushing change are MD's and psychotherapists and they seem to be wanting to combine the spiritual and medical which makes sense to me! I work in mental health and in my office there are several that are interested in life after death etc. If you notice, a lot of the books written are by MD's and PhD's and physicists recently, which I find fascinating. The basic theme seems to be that everything is made of energy and material things are illusions.

Shaman

[TOPERink]

It seems to me that this comes mostly from fear, but also from conditioning by the materialists. Remember school? What were you taught? That everything is material and anything that isn't, isn't real. It's a sad thing to see. Schools condition our young ones to think materialism is the only reality. Those that think differently are made fun of and after a while, you quit talking about it and think there's something wrong with you if you have different experiences. So you get set in the materialist world view and if something comes along that questions that, you become of afraid. The question is are they afraid of being right or being wrong? Or perhaps they want to believe, but are afraid the materialist are right and therefore won't look into it because it's better to not know than to find out the materialists are right and there is nothing else.


Shaman

That's exactly how I feel. "Or perhaps they want to believe, but are afraid the materialist are right and therefore won't look into it because it's better to not know than to find out the materialists are right and there is nothing else."

The problem is just about everytime I look into it, I've been met with things that make just about no sense, or bits and pieces of information that are insignificant. How am I supposed to believe when I trusted and asked, meditated many times, and nothing happened? It's as if the other side of it wants me to stay unaware. I feel like I'm not a part of anything greater than this, even if there were! And in fact, I even feel as if I'm not apart of the material.

Now others will say that even the material world view makes no sense. Now what? How am I supposed to fit in anywhere if neither is true. I'd prefer there were more to this world but that's not what I was able to percieve. I'd really rather not exist like this anymore with all the confusion. Yes, I am afraid. Afraid to keep looking and to continue to find nothing, or not enough.

(I wasn't talking directly to anyone)

[nTDsD0aU]

The problem is just about everytime I look into it, I've been met with things that make just about no sense, or bits and pieces of information that are insignificant. How am I supposed to believe when I trusted and asked, meditated many times, and nothing happened? It's as if the other side of it wants me to stay unaware. I feel like I'm not a part of anything greater than this, even if there were! And in fact, I even feel as if I'm not apart of the material.

Now others will say that even the material world view makes no sense. Now what? How am I supposed to fit in anywhere if neither is true. I'd prefer there were more to this world but that's not what I was able to percieve. I'd really rather not exist like this anymore with all the confusion. Yes, I am afraid. Afraid to keep looking and to continue to find nothing, or not enough.

(I wasn't talking directly to anyone)[/QUOTE]


I'm not clear as to what you mean by bits and pieces of information that are insignificant? Are you saying that while meditating, you get information but not enough? If you are getting some bits and pieces of information that is more than a lot get. I never found that meditation did much for me but make me sleepy. I just seem to pull things out of thin air more or less. I do energy healing which seems to be easy for me. I can also see auras but that's something I taught myself to do. But my theory on that is if it works, fine if it doesnt', that's fine too. I never charge anyone and limit it to friends. I think that you may be expecting too much. Remember, it must be very difficult to pierce the veil so to speak. So all you will probably get is bits and pieces that you have to put together. The other thing you may what to think about, is what it is you're asking for. I seem to get a lot more response when I'm asking for something for another. The key seems to be compassion for others and needing to help them. I seldom ask for anything for myself as I don't feel that I should and that whatever gift I have been given is to help others.

You seem to be in the middle of a crisis of the soul and not feeling you belong anywhere. Perhaps you need to look at what exactly you want to accomplish and what it is you're asking for. I think what's needed is to develop an accepting attitude towards what is given. More will come as and when needed.

Blessings,

Shaman

[mussmicky]

Everyone Chooses not to See Many Things.

In order to See Truth, One must Give something Up; to let go of what they used to Be.

[nancywind]

Everyone Chooses not to See Many Things.

In order to See Truth, One must Give something Up; to let go of what they used to Be.

yeah I agree, it is fear, I think that is all it is. I know I was scared of the unknown! I was afraid of what I may see, hear, feel or experience!

But I have let go and realise there is nothing to be scared of, but I guess that is how others feel, they are scared of what may happen, that others may think they are crazy and wont believe them.

Now I believe and nothing is going to stop me from believing in what I believe in.
Although it would be nice to have your loved ones on the same page.

[HondasMenFox]

yeah I agree, it is fear, I think that is all it is. I know I was scared of the unknown! I was afraid of what I may see, hear, feel or experience!

But I have let go and realise there is nothing to be scared of, but I guess that is how others feel, they are scared of what may happen, that others may think they are crazy and wont believe them.

Now I believe and nothing is going to stop me from believing in what I believe in.
Although it would be nice to have your loved ones on the same page.

Thank you my friend. In my experience there are many things to be afraid of. Many scary things can happen to a person as they begin to awaken.

However, continue on with my blessing! Through thick and thin.

[echocassidyde]

You can lead a horse to water and you can even hold it's head down but you just can't make it drink the water.

most of the time I think it is FEAR that keeps them from believeing.
Inner fear..
.fear of the church'
fear of God'

and the older a person is the harder to let go of these fears as they have had a lot of years of being TOLD what is what and then for someone else to say but what if that is all wrong just throws them for a loop.

just my thoughts on this

[Carol]

First off I would like to say that this thread is way too well timed ... I find that in life when i cast judgement I get it back RIGHT away i mean the next day i will see and feel karma affecting my life..but ONLY if i sit and SEE ... So i find this thread to be very inspiring cause yes as long as you just sit and SEE you will get over it you will accomplish it's right in front of your eyes so why not. You know whats funny as I am sitting here thinking about this i see in the corner of my eye this black looking almost finger runnig up and down the wall ..everytime i look at it it's gone if i focus on what i'm typing it's back...I agree totally on this though - i know i am swinging here and there on and off topic- Personal experience with this..I am trying to fnd a way to intergrate my spiritual life so it encompasses all aspects of my life including my church...It's hard .. i have been waiting and watching for over a year now trying to wait for that one word that one answer that will make it all click with me. And then i realized that people who are on the alter and pray take in the holy spirit...figuratively speaking they are training mediums!!! In the bible it states on many many occasions Peter, Paul, Matthew going through awakenings, talking to angels, prophesizing. What's the difference in that then a medium consultation..divination...spiritual enlightenment? But you are right in the fact that society and Church have this on lock down for awhile...Wiccan burnings...knight templars..dark ages. And now we have secret societies in full force also..I have no doubt that they have means of trying to distract us spirituals with negativity...is that a little far fetched ?? maybe?? but they did use psychics to try to win i beleive the cold war?? I can also understand on the side of not wanting to..free will and choice come into play and there is a lot of sacrificing that needs to be made in order to follow the spiritual way..a lot of calming the monkey mind!!! My friend back home use to see auras on people and beings all the time... Last Christmas I was with him and I began talking to him about this stuff ...he is an open minded man who is Aetheist so i figured it would be easier to talk to himabout it...sure enough after a couple of sentences he was bringing back memories he had forgotten..you know when you talk to someone and say something that look in their eyes like "Wow" ... LoL its funny how we forget things from childhood that is naturally attuned to us...and on the other hand maybe not everyone is suppose to be walking around spiritually .. maybe their life lesson is so not go through these experiences and live a life based upon the lessons they are learning...we made choices to do this before we came To Earth and then furthered that choice with the conscious choice of wanting to further it even more.

Sorry for the length I guess you hit a soft spot

God's love and light encompass you