[juspimoubbodo]

i heard that we must serve the one creator. i also heard that the one creator is ourselves, so if i serve myself, wouldn't i be serving the creator (me!)...or is it never really about yourself but other selves?

o.o i'm confused....

[Kubasarika]

i heard that we must serve the one creator. i also heard that the one creator is ourselves, so if i serve myself, wouldn't i be serving the creator (me!)...or is it never really about yourself but other selves?

o.o i'm confused....

i see how you might be a bit confused. let's see, it is service to self or sevice to other/selfs, not the creator. the creator is served either way. what it is about is simply your choice as to where you primarily focus your intentions hope this helps.........sylvain................

[inilbowly]

before you can serve another fully, with the strength and wisdom that comes from our creator, you 1st must understand yourself. "know thyself and you will know the universe"

service to me is an act of love. love put into action in what ever capacity you choose. so when you service yourself, you are 1st loving yourself fully, and then only then can you fully service another truly.

so yes, i believe it is good and indeed a priorty to know thyself, trust thyself, love thyself and service ourself so that we know who you are. as well, you are whole and no other influnence enters, thus allowing you to co-create what ever you are lead to create. you are operating from the pure essence of your being, which is love, the force of you and the force of our creator.

serving yourself is serving the creator. your are putting the creator first.

[DianaDrk]

i think we as individuals can`t call ourselves a creator. all of us and everything combined together is the creator. also, here in the physical reality what we know of ourselves is just one small aspect of our true multidimensional self at a given time, in a given parallel reality. however, we can learn how to draw power from the source energy which is endless and unlimited, but we really have to know how. the fact that we are here in the slower thought responsive density, means that we are learning certain things and are taking steps as david saids toward spiritual enlightenment. at this point we have to "serve" as much as i don`t like this term, not just to ourselves but to everything and everyone else. the mass consciousness actually dictates and directs our progress and evolution as humans.whatever the predominant intelligence, ideas and believes are, this will be the corresponding state of planet earth. those who have more knowledge should try to help others as we are not on the same level of development. of course we are constantly exposed to many many different believes, but how to recognize the right ones. i personally am not a religious person, because to me god is not an individual or an entity who has a human name. yet many people are convinced otherwise. progress will not occur when religion saids there are no ets and this along creates a mass wave of energy delaying extraterrestrial contact.
to go back to the original topic, serving only ourselves is serving the ego, not the creator. working toward personal development and along the way handing your knowledge and help to others is serving the creator. we always have to think of ourselves as little sources of energy which combined together form the oneness.

[eduptultyt]

"bad" is a very low type of human judgement/value. apes discriminate between "good" and "bad." understanding the sts/sto paradigm requires that you move beyond the limited ideas of good and bad that have been foisted upon you by a society whose interest has been controlling you first and allowing you to develop second.

there is nothing wrong with sts. you are simply recognizing a fact: you are the one infinite creator, and to exclude yourself from love is just as much an error as excluding someone else.

there is nothing wrong with saying, "i am god."

error is introduced only when you add the clause, "...and you are not."

[RicyReetred]

is "service to self" bad?

in the same way as it is not good.

regards

[attanilifardy]

there's a difference between judgement and discernment and everything is relative. when i find myself getting hung up on whether i'm doing the right thing, am i being too selfish etc. (which happens all the time) i believe it means i've lost focus and am distracting myself with meaningless judgement.

no big deal, i just catch myself and get back on track by doing what's in front of me in the moment, without all this agonizing which gets nowhere.

i've learned some simple truths: spirituality is doing the next right thing, don't need to sit around and wait for some explosion or whatever..... and the only effort worth making is to keep myself on track, to live as best as possible in integrity, and everything else takes care of itself.

it's the best news for lazy people (like me). no effort brings the most results, sounds paradoxical, but i swear it works. i've reached points where my body takes over and does what it has to do, and i'm an observer along for the ride.

what does that have to do with serving the self? i don't need to make that judgement. everything flows, that's when i know i don't need to worry about anything, it's all taking care of itself. and if someone shows up that i can help, it just naturally happens.

for me to be in that space is the highest service, to myself and the universe. like i said, it's all relative, it's different for every person, nobody can tell anybody else what's best for them, they can't possibly know. but it's cool to hear people's stories, there's a lot to be learned from that sometimes (or not).

[arrasleds]

i also heard that the one creator is ourselves, so if i serve myself, wouldn't i be serving the creator (me!)...or is it never really about yourself but other selves? if the creator is experiencing existence through his creations, then you would be right in saying that to serve yourself equals serving the creator. but it is equally right that by serving others, i.e. his creations you will also serve him/her. you will discover as you gravitate evermore towards the source, that you would want to live an existence of service to others. you wouldn't even question it. it is in selfless service to others that will elevate you.

[KJnbceja]

absolutely, 100% not...

here's why...

before you can help/be sto to another you need to "completely understand" who and what you are.

"for through you i shall know who and what i am and through me you shall know who and what you are..."

"for we are one and the same..."

if you don't "understand" this simple concept then you will "never" understand who and what another is...

let alone know who and what you are...

as always...

believe what you will...

be well.

david

[juspimoubbodo]

well come to think of it people who don't really know themselves are probably the selfish ones that don't even know how to serve their selves, yet think that they are. as the bible says, love others as yourself. the way you treat yourself will reflect how you treat others too.

thanks a lot to all!

[Sawyer]

i just want to add one more thing to all of these great comments.

from my own personal experience, i have noticed that when i am concentrating really hard on myself, all of my short comings, that i need more money, i am too this or too that, then i lose sight of the beauty that is right around me.

but, when i offer myself in loving service to others, i feel new things opening up inside of me. my heart broadens and i begin to feel at a new depth. i also have begun to see the angels that are always all around us.

and i am beginning to see and meet the angels that are with us here in human form. there are so many levels and dimensions that are right here in our 3d world that are waiting to be accessed.

i think they are accessed by opening up new dimensions within your own heart and body. and to do this, i have found, is to begin to open up and actively share your love with other people. and also to accept it in return. it is a two way street and both directions must be fully active.

to be perfectly honest, i had to get over the whole corniness of it, and it took a while for me to do that. but now i am starting to feel the power that comes from it.

cheers,
foo

[pinawinekolad]

i heard that we must serve the one creator. i also heard that the one creator is ourselves, so if i serve myself, wouldn't i be serving the creator (me!)...or is it never really about yourself but other selves?

o.o i'm confused....

this is a good question because it seems tricky until you realize that the answer depends on how you are perceiving your idea of "self" in relation to "others."

service to self
if you perceive yourself in your personality-mind-body, as separate from the other "selves" walking around on the planet, then your motivations will be driven by a need to compete with others in order to get your needs met. this environment is the breeding ground for the shadow side of human nature, which will resort to manipulation and/or seek to dominate others to ensure that you "get yours."

service to others
if you see your self connected to and one with others, then you know that that which you do to others you are actually doing to yourself...

do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
and the other way around as well. if you are serving the divine self within you, that is the divine self within everyone, that is the all-one-creator-self, then serving yourself is serving others.

i find that my body always knows the answer. if serving myself is in alignment with serving others, my heart space will feel peaceful and relaxed.

on that note, there are also some choices that some of us have been programmed to believe are "selfish" behaviors that are actually not, such as taking time to take care of ourselves and our bodies. self care replenishes our personal resources so that we can have more to give others, and this benefits everyone.

at each step and with each breath we are given the option of acting and responding, both inwardly and outwardly, from the conditioning of egoic consciousness which values control and separation above all else, or from the intuitive awareness of unity which resides in the inner silence of our being.
-adyashanti

[TerriLS]

rocky,

when you are serving others you are serving yourself, the course says "to have, you must give all".


michael

i heard that we must serve the one creator. i also heard that the one creator is ourselves, so if i serve myself, wouldn't i be serving the creator (me!)...or is it never really about yourself but other selves?

o.o i'm confused....

[Cogebrego]

hi all,

ok, just to chuck a spanner in the works....

watching the awake and aware videos today, there were many incredibly interesting people on stage, of course the best one imo was our very own david, though i may be a bit biased.

anyway, 1 or 2 (sorry cant remember the names) of them suggested that we were created or co-created by our cosmic friends. when david had his turn on the mic, he did not contradict or correct those who said this. incidentally i have heard this theory many times before and if you think about it, it could well make sense.

if we are to serve the one infinite creater, then are we serving a portion to our cosmic friends who may or may not have been involved in our creation? or are we serving the creater and bypassing a possible section of our very own creation?

i guess it is all about love, compassion and forgiveness for our fellow humans and may not matter one way or another at the end of the day.

just wanted to put this point across.

love and light,

matt