[fiettariaps]

im reading about these and how we got lost along the way with the contemporary a 440hz tuning template. it seems that this might of been another way for the "authorities" or contemporary church to sway us away from these healing frequencies. from what i read, the "concert" tuning of past was not at a 440, but rather within the sacred solfeggio scale, ie, certain frequencies that directly activate cells and dna in the body which greatly help in healing.

so i decided to tune one of my acoustic guitars to a 417, intead of 440. 417 being one of the 6 main sacred frequencies part of the solfeggio scale.
this results in a lower tuning, the low e string for 440 tuning becomes a d. in 417 its a e...now i have only played this way for 2 days and i cannot confirm anything healing wise, but for sure the harmonics are great!
it activates the wood differently, it vibrates more strongly and i do get overtones that were just not there before.
now i guess this would apply to any lower tuning as its normal that the longer wavelenght lower frequencies activate the wood more, but i would be curious to hear about anyone else's long term experience with this.
i do not play in a band currently, but im sure it would awsome to try to have everyone at 417 pitch instead of 440!
see how the songs and performers feel after a while playing this way!
there was also a suggestion to use the magic 528hz tuning guide but that is too high for guitars. i guess if you have a very strong neck on one, it might work, but thats alot of tension on the guitar neck.
scientist are supposedly using this frequency to repair dna stands!...
all this ties up nicley with sacred geometry and the fundamentals of life, considering that a normal tuning can have great effects on humor and feelings, i think that the 417hz template for example can have amazing results on us all.
i will keep playing with this tuning long term wise and see if i "feel" differently.
i will also try out a cymatics rig with salt to see what some simple music can produce. i guess a ossiloscope would be good to try also. i have seen these on youtube,but it was always with pure sine waves which produce nice pure 'designs'.
oh and i just got into this after reading files from dan burish's experiments with sacred frequencies which are just mind blowing....
the egyptians had it down and "got it" a long time ago.
cheers

[unmalryAlalry]

...certain frequencies that directly activate cells and dna in the body which greatly help in healing...
...so i decided to tune one of my acoustic guitars to a 417, intead of 440...
...there was also a suggestion to use the magic 528hz tuning guide but that is too high for guitars...
...i will keep playing with this tuning long term wise and see if i "feel" differently...

you are correct. a=440 was not adopted as a 'standard' tuning until 1939.

you can read more about it here:

a brief history of tuning

and also here:

history of u.s. standard pitch, a = 440 hz

however, instead of a=440 (or even a=417), many believe that standard pitch should actually be a=432.

you can read more about that here:

the campaign to lower the tuning pitch

and also, david hatcher childress wrote a very interesting book called "anti-gravity and the world grid" that relates to the musical tuning standard of a=432:

anti-gravity and the world grid

david wilcock and i considered using a=432 as our standard pitch for our science of peace series music, but opted for standard (a=440) pitch in the end. (read why near the bottom of this post)

some interesting points about using a=432 as a pitch standard (this is from another website):

1. harmonically aligns to astronomical time count of precession of the equinoxes, 432 x 60 = 25920.............................................

2. the original stradivarius violin was designed to be tuned to 432, it is the most precise instrument ever constructed by humans...........................

3. 432 is found at countless ancient sacred sites furia's virtual tour of sacred sites along with such key locations as the great pyramid in egypt, 432 is found at the largest buddhist temple in the world the borobudur - at the borobudur the amount of statues at "the temple of countless buddhas" is 432...........................

a =432 hz b = 240.17358 exactly one half of the height of the great pyramid (one octave below).......................................

d = 288 diameter of the outer circle of stonehenge, 144 gematrian for light (also bible) 72 one degree of precession. pythagorean ratio 4/3 which also represents the chephren pyramids apex angle tangent. (also a ratio between 2 gematrian systems)..............................

g# = 101.93282 represents the difference in height of chephren and the great pyramid 1.0193282 and also the distance in arc seconds between cheph. and the g.p. when divided by all 12 notes. antenna heights?...........................

if you can get a tuner that lets you alter the concert pitch, that can be handy. concert pitch is usually the frequency assigned to note 'a' and is usually 440hz. if you drop this tuning to 432hz it can have a very nice effect, as it seems more resonant some how. (the sound carriers further and the sound is 'bigger'). another handy thing about tuning to 432hz is, and let me use computer music as a comparrison. if you tune to 440hz, then each note is a division of this number and you get 18.666666 recurring. your computer cannot generate these tones ! by using 432, not only do you get an exact tone and harmonics, you can also set the tempo of your music to the wavelengths of the tone and get even more aspects of the composition 'in harmony'. at 432 the note 'd' resonates at 144000 times per second, so tempos of 36, 72, 108, 144 etc are in tune with the notes ! but as d and a are also in tune with one another, those tempos will also work for all tunes. another harmony that occurs when you tune to 432hz is that all the digits of each note always add to 9. 4+3+2. the note d becomes 144hz 1+4+4 etc. when i tune to 432hz, as long as the other parameters i am using, temp, speed of effects etc add up to 9, i know it will always sound well balanced. theres a bit more to tuning than getting it almost right and digital tuners cannot accurately tune your guitar to 440hz (they simply cannot work out .6666 recurring digits), digital doesnt do 440 ! i think soon, with the advent of digital music, a lot more people will have to tune to 432 out of harmonic nescesity. however, physical music is vibration that resonates over time. all frequencies exist in all matter. to choose 1 frequency and say that it is 'better' than another is sort of like saying "i like my big toe on my left foot more than i like my little finger on my right hand".

there are no 'magic' frequencies as far as music goes, however there are resonances and phrasings that humans 'resonate' with (pun intended).

healing is of the mind... not of the body, however. and when a 'body' resonates at a particular frequency, this action itself does not guarantee that a healing will take place. it simply means that some of that matter will vibrate more than other parts. and this frequency will change depending of the sex, weight, age, and amount of water a person is made of.

it is true that tuning a guitar (or any musical instrument for that matter) to an alternate standard pitch (a=417 as you did for instance) will result in resonances that are different compared to when the guitar was tuned to a=440. and those resonances may be more musically 'pleasing' to you or may not be... it all depends on the instrument, not the tuning. this is because all instruments (even the same models made by the same manufacture) will resonate slightly differently when tuned to different tuning standards.

stevie ray vaughn used to tune his guitars to e=eb (meaning he was always one half step flat to standard pitch). he used heavier gauge strings and tuning the guitar lower made his particular guitar sound and play better to his ears. his piano player (reese wynans) used to tell me it was great... because everytime he played a song with stevie, he could play on all of the 'black' keys of his keyboard.

what is interesting is that 432hz (4+3+2) = 9... if you're into that kind of thing.

if you want to hear what any music sounds like at a=432 you can easily listen to mp3 files at any tuning you choose using the following program:

amazing slow downer for windows

set the pitch to be (440-432 = -8 cents flat). you can do this by double clicking on the 'cents' window in the lower right and enter -8. be sure to click on the 'speed' window and set it to 100%... the program defaults to playing your files at a slower tempo!

since almost all instruments made today are designed to be played and tuned to a=440, it is natural and logical to use a=440 as a tuning standard.

and since any song can be played back at any tuning reference you choose, enjoy the music! (whatever your tuning preferences are)

best to you!

larry

[fiettariaps]

larry!!...holy sacred cow.....first of all, i have to say, this is just an awsome reply!

talk about syncronicities......there is alot of light in your reply and i relate particularly to alot of it...

stevie ray vaughan was and still is one of my guitar heroes.....he and jimi are the ones that made me tune do e flat. i have been playing like this for years and it does make a big difference. regular tuning always seemed a bit stiff to me. its awsome that you know reese, he is just great! and was the best and only addition the band needed to give it some different color/direction, especially live!

also, talking about borobubur, ive been there!...i had the chance to go around the globe twice for 15 years. my work especially, brought me to funky places,(im a sound engineer). apart from producing,recording,mixing jazz albums, for 15 years, i was specializing in doing sound for documentaries and especially funky and dangerous assingments. i was in eygpt in luxor the week after the 40 tourist got shot....also did a documentary on maneater bengal tigers in india......lots of crazy stuff.
so anyways, yea, all the info you gave there on 432 is awsome...i cannot do anything but tune to this reference. ill try it for a couple of weeks. also, its true that alot of other frequencies are played on one instrument, and that these do not nessesarly fit into sacred scales, but everything is relative. the fact that regular guitar tuning has a mathematical relation between strings, if the a=432, then the rest should fall into place.
its really amazing how everything is related, now i have got to be the worst person as far as math is concerned.....i could not save my life with a simple arithmetics....oh how i wish i was enlightened mathimatically speaking, that could help me visualize it all.

in all the stuff im learning here since my "awakening" 2 months ago, this reply by far is the most rewarding for me so far!!

thanks alot for that
olam

[fiettariaps]

hmmm, i was intrigued about the 432 buddha statues at borodudur as i bought a bronze sculpture there...it has 23 buddhas!....

[MaugleeRobins]

tuning is a very deep and complex issue, and one that i have been enamored with for a while.

one issue that larry and other posters didn't bring up is the whole issue of temperament. guitars and pianos, and pretty much all instruments used in modern western music are tuned in "equal temperament", which means each octave is divided symmetrically into 12 half steps. however, when we consider the natural resonance of certain intervals, like 3rds and 5ths, when we play these on an instrument in equal temperament they are always slightly out of tune. an in-tune or "beatless" 3rd is actually noticeably lower than a third played on a piano. if we were to derive a scale from the first 12 pitches in the harmonic series, these would not line up evenly within one octave, but would rather continuously spiral upward into infinity.

one of the reasons indian music can be so moving is because the artists only deal in one tonal center, and thus do not have to worry about creating an even scale that can be transposed. indian music is one of the few places where we see very harmonically tuned intervals.

all of the scales and harmonies in western music are essentially built upon a manmade, and relatively unharmonious system. this has allowed us to do a gazillion amazing things with music that were not possible before equal-temperament (most of the stuff i listen to is in equal temperament.) but when we zero in on the actual frequencies and intervals, there's something missing.

there are a few people who tune their pianos to play in more harmonious intonation, and their music is absolutely beautiful and surprising. check out terry riley and la monte young. 2 musicians whose work embodies the essence of what we talk about here in the divine cosmos.

i myself am a guitarist, and i don't mind playing a bit out of tune. any and all music is holy, so i dig it all and try to listen without judgement.

much love,
phil

[jeockammece]

this may sound a bit off topic but i am sure its connected some how, i am mathematically challenged as well and i have never learned a musical instrument on top of it.

the thing is mathematics and music are part of life a person can live with out music but math catches up with every one no matter how much one avoids it... i was so dysfunctional in regards to numbers that i could not even remember phone numbers or even worse pin numbers so i started to look around for a solution.

i ended up learning some thing called mnemonics you give each number 0123456789 a corresponding letter and sound 1 = t or d 2 = n 6 = ch ect once you learn the code instead of trying to remember a very long abstract number you make up tangible thing with the letters for example 1 2 could be 'tan' and then you can make up some silly story which is easier to remember.

the human mind has movies running through it all the time and sound in the form of language makes images in our mind and it creates concepts, music does as well but i believe the communication is much quicker and delivered to different levels of our awareness or bypasses our analytical mind to some extent.

so delivering a shape or a concept to another persons mind using cymatics in the form of music or consciousness itself really does not sound that far fetched, neither does raising the planets frequency or consciousness, could it possible that dreams have mathematics hidden within them ?

[Eagevawax]

hey olam, and all-

check-out this article by jonathan tennenbalm-

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid..._jbt_tune.html

also, go to the "home page" and enter "c256" into the search engine for some amazing info-

bob

[Dodoerabe]

i almost always tune by ear (been playing guitar since i was six) and i always had to tune up by a tiny amount when i played with other instrumentalists... i find my beautiful classical guitar does indeed sound better when tuned just slightly flat of 440.. at some point i guess i'll have to get my hands on an electronic tuner and see what frequency i'm actually tuning to.

as for larry, you rock man. you remind me of a more intellectual version of the sound engineer i interned with as a highschool student. his big deal was making sure that the acoustical characteristics of his room were perfect... and they were pretty damned good. if i had taken a different path in life i'd be begging you right now for an internship

-charles

[dahlilaninfo]

howdy fellas, thx for the info; i too am a guitarist and have been investigating the dr. len horowitz 'perfect circle of sound' secret solfeggio pythagorean frequency's and trying to implement that into my instrument: 396hz, 417, 528, 639, 741, 852, 963, 174, 285hz http://www.utqueantlaxis.com/ "ut-queant laxis"-the ancient hymn and original 'solfeggio' of music notation .

mathematician marko rodin [colleague of horowitz] also has independently discovered these frequencies [among other things] [please email for link]

this article here by guitarist/mathematician harvey reid is very pertinent/informational also. thx again, keep on jammin'........


on mathematics and music
http://www.woodpecker.com/writing/es...ath+music.html

[quote shortened per forum rules]

this was written for a talk i gave at the choate-rosemary hall school as part of the mathematics lecture series. i have never given any other such talks, and it has been 22 years since i have studied anything mathematical...

there is much talk about the relationship between mathematics and music, which mostly consists of speculation by those on the outside, concerning some of the obvious things they have in common. yet there isn't much said by those on the inside, and as a former student of mathematics and a lifetime musician, i will attempt to shed some light on the subject. i think that the degree that you can understand the relationship between music and mathematics is proportional to your understanding of both music and mathematics. the more you know of both, the more you will know of the relationship, and attempts to peer into the shadows from the outside will not yield much more than some wonderment. the important thing to realize is that numbers and math are not cold and lifeless, and that music, which is a tangible incarnation of numbers, reflects in its beauty and emotion some of the beauty and emotion in the world of mathematics.

[paratayoma]

hey guys

i ran into this subject matter while looking around the website of a "new age" radio station.

since david is busy making a spiritually themed cd i thought i should mention it. because im not sure whether naming the radio station or particular person is allowed i wont mention them but searching the title above will allow you to research the general subject matter.

anyway... the fellow interviewed claimed that there were studies that showed that 440, the frequency used as the standard in music, was the most dissonant frequency and that they had figured out that various frequencies, 528 in particular, were naturally harmonious. apparently a number of lesser known musicians have started retuning their instruments to use this vibration instead of 440.

like the title says he claimed that 528 in soundwaves was the equivalent of the love vibration.

understand... i am not a musician and this is definitely not my area of expertise. there are people here however that could comment on this and whether david is thinking like these other musicians.

[BqTyG9eS]

the secrets of the frequencies have been kept out of th public domain for so long...here's a good description of them http://www.redicecreations.com/speci...solfeggio.html

there easy enough to find...

love to you all and i for there really one in the same

angelboy