[goldcigarettes]

i don't know about you all but i always had a problem with the word "service". it just seems weird to me.

do i want to be a good person and try to bring joy and happiness to the people around me? definitely

do i serve other people? i am not so sure about that. serve just seems so close to the word slave, to me, for some reason. do i control people? no. do i serve people? ummmm.... i don't know.

but as i was walking down the street the other day this word popped into my head... empower

for me it makes more sense to say are you one who empowers those around you or are you one who tries to knock others down in order to be at the top. this makes perfect sense to me.

and we see this everywhere. the capitalist way seems to be to try to psyche the other guy out and make him/her feel so small that they can not compete. or a company that tries to make its product as addictive as possible to keep the people coming back even though it is detrimental to the health of its customers.

the catholic church seems to have been very careful not to empower the people too much because they would rather them to stay dependent on the church for the answers. they don't want the people to be able to think for themselves and feel like the god the people are searching for is actually right inside of us. then the catholic church would no longer be needed and their money would be gone. this is an example of an organization that does not want to empower the people. hence an sts organization.

that versus the company that tries to make its product as healthy, vibrant and delicious as possible to help people feel good and live long lives.

is your first thought to sabotage another person's work in order to make them look bad and make yourself look better or help another person to do a better job regardless of whether or not they begin to do a better job than yourself?

do you empower the people around you or do you try to suck the life out of them to sustain your self?

i am not sure if i serve people but i know for sure that i always try to empower others. this helped me so i thought i would share.

love to all,
foo :d

[Kk21pwa9]

first let me say this is an excellent post and a great reminder. i know i certainly can use reminders like this every now and then.

i don't know about you all but i always had a problem with the word "service". it just seems weird to me.
do i want to be a good person and try to bring joy and happiness to the people around me? definitely
do i serve other people?

bringing joy and happiness to the people around you is 'service', much like bringing misery to those same people is the opposite of service. if it's easier for you to sneak past old mrs. jenkins without saying "hi" and giving her a smile, but you do it anyway, and it lifts her spirits, you did her a service. it doesn't even matter that you did it complaining to yourself, so long as you did it. why? because sometimes it takes stepping in the direction of kindness, whether you want to or not, to enjoy the rewards, yourself, that you offered to another first.

the catholic church seems to have been very careful not to empower the people too much because they would rather them to stay dependent on the church for the answers. they don't want the people to be able to think for themselves and feel like the god the people are searching for is actually right inside of us. then the catholic church would no longer be needed and their money would be gone. this is an example of an organization that does not want to empower the people. hence an sts organization.

do you empower the people around you or do you try to suck the life out of them to sustain your self? more and more people are 'waking up' to this understanding of the way religions work. it's exactly as you say. sure it has its good points, like 'charities' etc., but what good is charity when it comes with the price of being filled with lies. but that's what they need to do to keep the sheep grazing in their pastures, dis-empower them, make the sheep need them and disable the power hidden within. harsh but true.

when you're taught to constantly suppress your inner power and only rely on "god's" power, the god whose image is falsely represented as 'loving' yet psycho towards anyone who disagrees with him, when the time comes for you to "fly" on your own, your wings will be too weak and the beast who was carrying you will have long since left you for it's next victim.

no, i trust the kindness of human beings, i know it exists without all the lies.
all it takes to bring it out is taking that first step.

[SteantyjetMaw]

i like it, foo. empower is a good old social work term too, and it reflects the social work values. i like thinking that way myself, so my take3 on it is that you've independently come up with a good word to describe being helpful without digging yourself into the codependent rut. good on ya.

paul

[RotsLoado]

here's my opinion on sto vs sts:

i like to think that the absolute major defining difference between sto and sts is not good or evil, but the belief of separation.
the sto individual considers itself and other selves as just different aspects of the one and only creator. serving others is the same as serving the self, while at the same time acknowledging the lack of separation.
the sts individual, however, denies that it is just an aspect of the one creator, but rather considers itself completely separate. logically, if you really believe that you are a completely separate entitiy cut off from everything else, it makes sense to serve the self at all costs.

the sts path might be touted as an equal orientation in opposite to sto, but the fact is that the sts path is at its core invalid: there is no separation. this is why previously sts entities are forced into sto in 6th density, because they can not cling onto the notion of separation any longer if they wish to advance further.

a fully developed sto entity does not try to fight the sts entity, because it acknowledges it as a confused part of itself, of the creator. it understands the sts entity's confusion, and if asked for help gladly assists in making it understand that there is no separation.

[Eujacwta]

slavery is being forced against your freewill to serve.

if you give service freely as a choice it is not slavery, it is your free will to serve which is, in turn, service to yourself since we are all one.



love and light

paul

[PymnImmen]

hi, foo.

i agree that the word 'service' has a lot of lowkey connotation.

i also do come across the situation too often when the word 'empower' is used by stss to inprint in others the idea of the fun of serving them.

our entire vocabulary is evolved from centuries of domination by stss.
the word itself, if i recall correctly, comes from latin 'servus', which means slave...

and yet i like to be at service to others, in the meaning of service as a helpful act. i even think it's not by accident that ra, after scanning the entire available vocabulary, chose to use this particular word in the description of our condition.

anyway, it's just my personal preference in choice of words.

love to all


deambor

[Amirmsheesk]

great post!

and i can just add that the sts-person and the sto-one still are battling inside my personality

also there are perverted forms of sto even outside organised religions. f.i someone who helped you out can have a hard time watching you "fly by your own" or soar above even...

"help others, turnover yourself" is another trap one can fall into.

too busy to dive into the depths of this question, but others will i'm sure until i'm back from stockholm.

"fly like an eagle, high up in the sky
circle in the universe on wings of pure light
singing hi yippe ay o ei ai o"

transiten wishing to rise from scorpio via eagle to dove.

[maliboia]

yeah cool post maybe if we use the word participate instead of serve people will feel a little less unhindered or less taken advantage of.
the english language and its dualistic nature is less than desirable it makes our minds lazy and our eyes blind remote viewing protocols remove all or most no descriptive words so in essence removes what prevents us from seeing the universe around us unblocks the minds eye.

its like a person who finds it difficult to draw or copy a picture it ends up looking nothing like the original picture yet if the same person turns the picture up side down then draws it the individual ends up with a much better picture.

a person can see a hundred different birds all different and varying in size color and shape yet every time that person see's one they will say hey look a bird .

no wonder i am crazy

[goldcigarettes]

woot!

thank you everyone! i am so happy to read everyone's replies. it is one thing to have my thoughts echo around inside my head but to get such wonderful feedback when i try to express my thoughts makes me so happy.

you guys/ladies rock!

pce,
foo :d

@ conundrum:

your not the only one that is crazy. :d and i heard the american indians have like 50 different words to express the english word "love". i guess that word is not an english priority.

[SteantyjetMaw]

no wonder i am crazy

"ya gotta be crazy to be sane in this world."

-- deerclan's personal journal

[goldcigarettes]

i have read in two different places that when jesus appears to ppl in visions that he appears washing their feet.

this, to me, is obviously a service. as if jesus loves to be a servant.

i would be so happy if we could explore this a bit.

why is it so good for us as human beings to be a servant? i want to grasp this so bad. please help!

foo loves u! :d

[johnteriz]

i battle with sts and sto. almost everything i do in my life is dedicated to service. i love all the aspects of serving others, making them smile, making something in their day easier, and offering them something that i can say, is done and they can "move on to the next."

but i dont know how to serve myself, often times leaving me very exausted. sometimes leaving me sitting there wonding why "anyone else" cant pick up some of this slack and let me just "take a break"

and i am realizing in my tender middle age, that it's a boundry thing, and a respect thing. you really aren't a selfish person, if you take care of what you need to, in order to sustain being a fluent and stable sto person. but often times what i have found is that people have gotten so "used" to you just taking it all on, that they cant see or understand the yearn in your voice to be allowed moments to have for "self."

i am practicing now, to vocalize more definate my needs. trying to gain the balance, that my needs are not selfish, if they are nescessary in order to contiune in the service that i am in fact so passionate about.

i have always thought this is an age thing, and this transformation is a sort of "comming of age." i am exiting my saturn return, and entering a time that i personally have been very excited about for many years. 30. a time when i feel that as an adult you can finally begin being taken seriously. the time before this should be dedicated to service learning, and experience, you should be left to pick up the slack in order to gain the knowlege and respect of those you share the earth with. then comes a day, when it seems you have the puzzle peices, and it's time to start to put the puzzle together...and i'm at a point right now, where the puzzle is balance. i need time to reflect on what i have learned, so that i can assess it, and share it as i gain more and more wisdome. and to share give and serve, sometimes you do need to take a moment, and serve the self, in a surrendering sort of way.

or so i think, at this point, of exaustion, and reflection


anyway, blessed be to all those i share this land with, may you also find the balance

[Kk21pwa9]

i have read in two different places that when jesus appears to ppl in visions that he appears washing their feet.

this, to me, is obviously a service. as if jesus loves to be a servant.

i would be so happy if we could explore this a bit.

why is it so good for us as human beings to be a servant?

a very wise person once told me, people who stress the importance of you being a "servant", are usually people who want to be served.

the whole "jesus loved to be a servant and loved washing people's feet" comes directly from the bible and people's understanding about what they've been repeatedly taught from the bible.

i did a lot of research about who wrote what in the bible, many people on this forum have, and it's debatable what jesus actually did say and what was said by the apostles who claim to be quoting his words(many years after his death and "resurrection"). you have to take into consideration several factors before believing anything written in a book deemed "holy" by conspirators planning to rule the world.
1)was any of what was written actual history or was the entire life of jesus made up? there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever proving that he even existed. there were literally thousands of men named "jesus" in that time period and, i'm willing to bet, more than a few from "nazareth".
2)if the disciples did get together and try to recollect his actual words and deeds, does it not make sense that they would also fear for their own lives, and try not to stray too far away from the jewish laws already in place?(much as is still done today in most religions)
3)even if those were the words of jesus, does it not make sense to you that his words and actions are and should be considerably different from people who want to survive in the "real world"?
no? "sell all that you have and feed the poor" then.

this world is based on give and take. it's all about balance. if you give more than you're taking from whom you're giving to, you're teaching that person to take more than they give and are therefore part of their greed problem.